RIP sale thread.

[Howaythelads]

I agree that too many people on here have looked upon Keegan as a God for too long, based purely on his 5 years period in the 90s when he spent just as much, if not more, than other managers around at the time. That was all history when he came back.

 

Whether Ashley has gone back on promises to KK or not, is immaterial in this discussion. As some once else pointed out earlier in this thread, how many other managers would have spat the dummy because he couldnt get the owner to buy him a left back? I would say, virtually none. I dont buy the argument from KK about Denis Wise involvement either. As far as I recall, KK admitted he knew Wise was going to be appointed  before he came back.

 

I have no doubts at all that Keegan's ego mplayed a huge part in this whole saga and the biggest mistake Ashley made was appointing a so called fans favourite who would ultimately use his popularity with the fans to try and gain the ascendancy in the club.

 

Lets be honest here, whereever Keegan has gone in the past, he has not been able to operate without substantial funds and it has been clear for long enough now that the financial state of the club, even before Keegan came back, has been horrendous and needed to be addressed without any further financial deterioration. Keegan wanted his slice, the club could not afford it, Keegan spat his usual dummy and now, we are paying for the consequences. I hope Ashley wins his case againast Keegan, because KK neither deserves or warrants any financial compensation for his role in this whole saga. He should be ashamed of himself. a real bloody con man, if ever I saw one. AND YOU SUPPORTERS MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

 

More tripe.

 

Your far flung location sees you detached from reality but really, there is no excuse given the power of the internet.

 

When Keegan was appointed by fat ash the reality is that people saw him as a manager with some talent who may turn the team into a decent one and who may see us up near the top 6 or so and looking like challengers. Babbling on the way you do about Keegan being seen as a god or something merely goes to show your knowledge of the club and it's supporters is limited to what you read in the media.

 

Love the reference to YOU SUPPORTERS by the way. That tells a story. I suggest you stick to stuff about australia and leave the Newcastle stuff to those more clued up.

 

A rather angry and irrational response which rather confirms what macca was saying. Keegan has a status which, in many people's eyes, puts him beyond criticism.

 

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen him described as a 'legend'. I've also found that when you criticise the man, the response is often one of moral outrage, as though you'd pissed on the steps of the Vatican rather than made an observation about a human being who is as flawed as the rest of us.

 

Mate, my reply was neither angry nor irrational. I'm not all that bothered what some australian has to say about Newcastle United, why would I become angry?

 

Keegan is not above criticism. He made mistakes when he was here as manager the first time, more than one. Does that make you feel better?

[Howaythelads]

I agree that too many people on here have looked upon Keegan as a God for too long, based purely on his 5 years period in the 90s when he spent just as much, if not more, than other managers around at the time. That was all history when he came back.

 

Whether Ashley has gone back on promises to KK or not, is immaterial in this discussion. As some once else pointed out earlier in this thread, how many other managers would have spat the dummy because he couldnt get the owner to buy him a left back? I would say, virtually none. I dont buy the argument from KK about Denis Wise involvement either. As far as I recall, KK admitted he knew Wise was going to be appointed  before he came back.

 

I have no doubts at all that Keegan's ego mplayed a huge part in this whole saga and the biggest mistake Ashley made was appointing a so called fans favourite who would ultimately use his popularity with the fans to try and gain the ascendancy in the club.

 

Lets be honest here, whereever Keegan has gone in the past, he has not been able to operate without substantial funds and it has been clear for long enough now that the financial state of the club, even before Keegan came back, has been horrendous and needed to be addressed without any further financial deterioration. Keegan wanted his slice, the club could not afford it, Keegan spat his usual dummy and now, we are paying for the consequences. I hope Ashley wins his case againast Keegan, because KK neither deserves or warrants any financial compensation for his role in this whole saga. He should be ashamed of himself. a real bloody con man, if ever I saw one. AND YOU SUPPORTERS MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

 

More tripe.

 

Your far flung location sees you detached from reality but really, there is no excuse given the power of the internet.

 

When Keegan was appointed by fat ash the reality is that people saw him as a manager with some talent who may turn the team into a decent one and who may see us up near the top 6 or so and looking like challengers. Babbling on the way you do about Keegan being seen as a god or something merely goes to show your knowledge of the club and it's supporters is limited to what you read in the media.

 

Love the reference to YOU SUPPORTERS by the way. That tells a story. I suggest you stick to stuff about australia and leave the Newcastle stuff to those more clued up.

 

A rather angry and irrational response which rather confirms what macca was saying. Keegan has a status which, in many people's eyes, puts him beyond criticism.

 

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen him described as a 'legend'. I've also found that when you criticise the man, the response is often one of moral outrage, as though you'd pissed on the steps of the Vatican rather than made an observation about a human being who is as flawed as the rest of us.

 

Not his first though, is it?  Anyone who doesn't agree with him is talking 'tripe' and anyone who lives in Australia (including myself), has to bow to his superior knowledge of all things NUFC.

 

What a wonderful person to go for a pint before the match with 

 

 

Can't say I've ever noticed you. Who are you?

 

You won't know this, but people who go to the match disagree, so disagreeing with someone is nowt to do with whether or not someone like you or your mate are in australia, it's more to do with the content of posts made, which exhibit a huge degree of ignorance....or tripe, about Newcastle United. 

[Howaythelads]

How on earth did this thread turn into a Keegan debate as well?

 

Because a load of Ashley supporters desperately need to try and deflect at least some of the blame for the club's current state away from their beloved leader? If it wasn't for dastardly Keegan, the way Ashley was running the club would have worked & we'd now only be a couple of years from challenging for everything don't ya know.

 

who are these ashley supporters ? most agreed when he came in we couldn't keep going as we were financially, haven't got a clue what happened with keegan and think ashley got it totally wrong with kinnear etc.

 

 

or is it a case that some think if you have any criticism of keegan or the previous board then you must therefore think that ashley has done everything right ?

 

 

Being on the defensive in this way EVERYTIME someone makes this kind of comment sends out a message, madras.

 

Thought I'd mention it.

[Howaythelads]

HTL

Tripe is something they eat in Lancashire, isnt it? Not a bees dick from your Yorkshire roots mate.

 

Regarding your comment about me saying YOU SUPPORTERS, you seem to have replied out of context. I was referring to the money the fans pay in ticket sales, mechandise etc, which quite clearly, I am unable to do due to my location.

 

I would have thought even you would have been intelligent enough to work that one out....................then again, Maybe not

 

I think it is pretty obvious from many on here that the divine god KK is no longer thought that way by the masses. Or, are you happy that he is trying to take 10 million for a few months work out of our financially crippled club which quite probably is the paramount reason any takeover cannot be completed?

 

Your reply will be noted with interest

 

 

I didn't realise Gosforth was in Yorkshire, but maybe you think so.

 

Keegan is not thought of as a divine god, that is media talk.

 

I am intelligent enough to understand what you meant earlier. Work that out for yourself, if you can.

 

Hope this answer is interesting enough for you.

[Howaythelads]

NG

 

When I first commented on this thread, I said that all parties involved were responsible for the situation we find ourselves in, not just KK.

 

I have never rated the bloke as a manager and that has been proven time and time again at whatever club/national team he has been involved in.

 

As endearing he may have been to the supporters, KK has never lasted the distance long enough to win anything. Granted, in the 90s, NUFC played some beautiful football but remember, KK was backed to the hilt financially. Come the time when he wasnt, out came the dummies.

 

I dont expect my views on him to be popular but there again, I measure success on the number of trophies won rather than the level of entertainment produced. I am sure SAF and AW and the likes would have similar viewpoints too. Therefore, KK has been the ulimate failure in that respect.

 

The biggest failure all along was Ashley listening to the fans and bringing him back. I said it at the time and was castigated on here for it. I see many have changed their views since.

 

By the way, are you another one of these people who believe KK has earned his pay ouit, if he wins his case for so called constructive dismissal?

 

I dont remember any fans saying bring back KK, I never heard anyone mention it.  It was a suprise for everyone when it was annouced.

 

Exactly right, mate. Exactly right.

 

Where do some people get this stuff from? Shocking that the other aussie is complaining about me saying some posts are tripe, but honestly, where do these people get this stuff from? It is tripe, pure and simple. He'll be banging on about the fiction that is the 12 point lead next...

[Robster]

Teasy

 

Same difference, mate Games still had to be won. They won theirs, we lost ours.

 

I just hate it when the fabled 12 point lead is mentioned, its a falacy IMO and the media and everyone else have used it as a stick to beat us with for years.  There was nothing we could do to stop Manure winning their delayed game that day or their game in hand.  All we could do is keep the actual 6 point lead we had and of course we didn't which does fall on Keegans shoulders.  Of course getting that lead in the first place also falls on his shoulders.

 

Man U also blew something like a 12 point lead in 98 when Arsenal won their last 11 or 12 games (when Anelka burst onto the scene). So even with all of SAF's and Man U's success and experience, they were still capable of succumbing to the pressure.

[Howaythelads]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

 

And here it is...

 

More tripe. I won't bother going into why, just do some research for yourself to get your facts right before you gob off. You obviously have no first hand knowledge so try google if you don't want to ask any nufc supporter.

[Howaythelads]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

 

I think you'll find it was  number of factors which didn't see us past the post first.  I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam.

 

We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot.

 

Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead? 

 

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

[Robster]

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

I fucking hate Eric Cantona 

He was their inspiration in that run.

[Mowen]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

 

I think you'll find it was  number of factors which didn't see us past the post first.  I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam.

 

We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot.

 

Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead? 

 

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

 

The classic cliché is that Keegan losing it live on air cost us the title, absolutely staggering that anyone can think that.

[Mowen]

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

I fucking hate Eric Cantona 

He was their inspiration in that run.

 

Peter Schmeichal won them the title with his first half display at SJP imo. Unbelievable player.

[Howaythelads]

Re where are the Ashley supporters...

 

 

Haven't you seen them ? Where have you been man ?

There are loads of them to be seen walking up to SJP on matchdays with ASHLEY printed on the back of their shirts, they sing pro-Ashley songs during the match and wave banners with things like "Cockney Mafia In" and "Boycoutt Keegan burgers" printed on them.

During the week they organise meetings at pubs in places like Felling, Winlaton and Bamburgh trying to convince people how great Ashley is.

 

Benwell Lad in denial

 

Pwned.

 

Thanks go to UV for posting this earlier. Just had to repeat it. It's not to be missed.

[macphisto]

Is there anyway we can lock this thread or can people please stop replying to something that is not even worth replying to?

[NG32]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

 

I think you'll find it was  number of factors which didn't see us past the post first.  I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam.

 

We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot.

 

Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead? 

 

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

 

I did mention their run.

[madras]

Lets say Keegan wins his case and the club has to pay him approx 8-10 million quid.  Ashley has not sold the club and is not willing to put more of his personal money into the club.  In order to balance the books we have to sell 8-10 million quids worth of players in the transfer window.  We fail to get promoted off the back of this.  Who is that bad guy there Ashley or Keegan?  For all Keegan did for this club his is a prize t*** for suing us.  Leave the job fair enough but if he takes the money out of this club and hurts us further he should be shot.  Ashley for all his daft decisions has never taken money out of the club (as far as we are aware).  He is going to make a loss on his money.  The so called people we trust regularly take money away from the club.

 

 

 

If KK is proven right in court and the cub have to pay him 10 mil, then its AShley at fault again.  Seems to be a reocurring situation doesn't it.  Ashley seems to be at the centre of all the problems at the club and KK still gets the blame.

 

laughable.

possibly been pointed out but i don't think it's going to court. more of an arbitration panel so we'll still probably never find out.

[madras]

How on earth did this thread turn into a Keegan debate as well?

 

Because a load of Ashley supporters desperately need to try and deflect at least some of the blame for the club's current state away from their beloved leader? If it wasn't for dastardly Keegan, the way Ashley was running the club would have worked & we'd now only be a couple of years from challenging for everything don't ya know.

 

who are these ashley supporters ? most agreed when he came in we couldn't keep going as we were financially, haven't got a clue what happened with keegan and think ashley got it totally wrong with kinnear etc.

 

 

or is it a case that some think if you have any criticism of keegan or the previous board then you must therefore think that ashley has done everything right ?

 

 

Being on the defensive in this way EVERYTIME someone makes this kind of comment sends out a message, madras.

 

Thought I'd mention it.

as pointed out numerous times i'll defend him,fred,stalin when they do things i consider to be right and condemn them when i think they do wrong. you do remember back in  the old days when i did defend fred quite a bit until the point where i personally thought he's going backwards and isn't going to turn it round.

 

i'll not blindly back one for their entirety. that goes for keegan aswell. like i've said too many times now as to why keegan left, i don't know and i'll await evidence before i blame him,ashley,wise or nayone else.

[Guest]

I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan.

I f***ing hate Eric Cantona 

He was their inspiration in that run.

 

Cantona and Schmeichel. A number of games towards the end where they won by a single goal thanks to those two.

 

Imagine if the FA had kicked him out after the Palace kung-fu kick like was mentioned at the time.

[afar]

So we're not really talking about takeovers anymore ?

[Mike]

We're still for sale?

[Guest Redheugh]

We will be soon

[Benwell Lad]

Re where are the Ashley supporters...

 

 

Haven't you seen them ? Where have you been man ?

There are loads of them to be seen walking up to SJP on matchdays with ASHLEY printed on the back of their shirts, they sing pro-Ashley songs during the match and wave banners with things like "Cockney Mafia In" and "Boycoutt Keegan burgers" printed on them.

During the week they organise meetings at pubs in places like Felling, Winlaton and Bamburgh trying to convince people how great Ashley is.

 

Benwell Lad in denial

 

Pwned.

 

Thanks go to UV for posting this earlier. Just had to repeat it. It's not to be missed.

 

Thanks for that, I'm honoured that you and someone else even bothered to re-visit it.

You were talking about your intelligence earlier, the level of which should be enough to recognise my post was a provocative one intended to create debate about what was a very emotive subject at the time. Yes my standpoint was somewhat for the defence against the masses but not really in a supportive way.  I did it on purpose.

I just wish there was a platform where such things could be debated rationally and not just hundreds of pages of childish insults, repeated "tripe" and profanity.

 

For the record I was not besotted with Ashley's arrival in the way many on here were originally (where are they now ?) I prefer (maybe it's age) to take a more level headed view on anything good or bad which happens to our club.

Personally I wish Ashley was gone and replaced by someone who can take the club forward in a stable way. His tenure has been a disaster, much the same as Keegan's return as manager was.

[afar]

We're still for sale?

 

Good point, are we ?

[afar]

We will be soon

 

Sounds like some ITK stuff to get the people all excited, come on, I'm game, what's the scoop ?

[Fenham Mag]

We will be soon

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[Mike]

We will be soon

 

We'll be for sale soon? Were we warming up for four months?