Ronaldo Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry's still a great defender. Don't kid yourself. Always been w*** at international level. Not in 2004 and 2006 in the tournaments. He was a rock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry's still a great defender. Don't kid yourself. He's a great Premier League defender but at international level he's extremely average. He lacks tactical discipline, he lacks technical ability, he lacks pace and he lacks all-round awareness. If its a battle between him and a burly centre-forward with similar traits, i.e. lack of pace, tactical discipline and tecnnical ability, he is a beast. Likewise when crosses are flung in or the backs are to the wall. In the strictest sense, he is a very good defender, but he's an average footballer and at this level against the better sides you need a good defender who is also a good footballer. See Carvalho for example or even an old Chelsea defender, Leboeuf. He could defend but he was also a very good footballer. Lescott is much better than Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry's still a great defender. Don't kid yourself. He's a great Premier League defender but at international level he's extremely average. He lacks tactical discipline, he lacks technical ability, he lacks pace and he lacks all-round awareness. If its a battle between him and a burly centre-forward with similar traits, i.e. lack of pace, tactical discipline and tecnnical ability, he is a beast. Likewise when crosses are flung in or the backs are to the wall. In the strictest sense, he is a very good defender, but he's an average footballer and at this level against the better sides you need a good defender who is also a good footballer. See Carvalho for example or even an old Chelsea defender, Leboeuf. He could defend but he was also a very good footballer. Lescott is much better than Terry. I was with you all the way until the last line. Lescott got found out massively in the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 The argument about him lacking technical ability doesn't wash in 2012, he's no Colo but he'd developed himself into a fine user of the ball. As for discipline and awareness, righto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry's still a great defender. Don't kid yourself. He's a great Premier League defender but at international level he's extremely average. He lacks tactical discipline, he lacks technical ability, he lacks pace and he lacks all-round awareness. If its a battle between him and a burly centre-forward with similar traits, i.e. lack of pace, tactical discipline and tecnnical ability, he is a beast. Likewise when crosses are flung in or the backs are to the wall. In the strictest sense, he is a very good defender, but he's an average footballer and at this level against the better sides you need a good defender who is also a good footballer. See Carvalho for example or even an old Chelsea defender, Leboeuf. He could defend but he was also a very good footballer. Lescott is much better than Terry. I was with you all the way until the last line. Lescott is a very good all-rounder. He's not an outstanding defensive defender if you like but his pace, reading and general footballing ability makes him, for me, the better option, especially at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry's still a great defender. Don't kid yourself. He's a great Premier League defender but at international level he's extremely average. He lacks tactical discipline, he lacks technical ability, he lacks pace and he lacks all-round awareness. If its a battle between him and a burly centre-forward with similar traits, i.e. lack of pace, tactical discipline and tecnnical ability, he is a beast. Likewise when crosses are flung in or the backs are to the wall. In the strictest sense, he is a very good defender, but he's an average footballer and at this level against the better sides you need a good defender who is also a good footballer. See Carvalho for example or even an old Chelsea defender, Leboeuf. He could defend but he was also a very good footballer. Lescott is much better than Terry. I was with you all the way until the last line. Lescott is a very good all-rounder. He's not an outstanding defensive defender if you like but his pace, reading and general footballing ability makes him, for me, the better option, especially at international level. I think he got found out in the Champions League and I think the same will happen in international competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 The argument about him lacking technical ability doesn't wash in 2012, he's no Colo but he'd developed himself into a fine user of the ball. As for discipline and awareness, righto. I disagree, he can play it short and simple yes, but anything above and beyond that and he will look long 9 times out of 10. He is very much your typical Premier League centre-back in that sense. As for discipline and awareness.... at international level the game is much slower and more technical and Terry for me struggles. He cannot cope with movement, pace and indeed technical skill, not as well as you would want from your centre-back at this level anyway. He will go walk abouts too trying to be the hero or all action type man and in general, struggles with a mor tactical approach. Again, go toe to toe with him in a physical duel or throw crosses into the box and he will dominate and come out on top because he's that kind of defender and to his credit, he's probably the best at it in the way Shearer was the best at good old fashioned centre-forward play for example. We have better footballers at CB than Terry, Lescott, Richards, even Cahill who can defend like Terry if you like. Its a shame Rio is knackered these days, he was an all-rounder and a genuine world-class centre-back and indeed footballer in general. Terry has only ever been a world-class defender when it comes to defending but an average footballer and again, at this level, you have to be capable of playing football, be you a centre-back or a striker. If you can't you'll get found out. For me Terry has always looked average for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lescott is quicker than Terry. That's where it ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lescott was the best English CB in the league this season, no doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Easy when you're partnered by probably the best CB in the world. Lescott was found out in the Champions League and will get found out eventually at international level. He's average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry should be gone imo because we should have cleared out the old guard and all killed the rot in the team of players who blatently had no interest in playing with each other or for the team in South Africa. We should be digging deeper for players, realise our pool of youth is pretty shit but we need a team not a random collection of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Easy when you're partnered by probably the best CB in the world. Lescott was found out in the Champions League and will get found out eventually at international level. He's average. Agree actually. Think he's almost always looked shaky when playing for England tbh, never been convinced by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lescott's decent, but nothing special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lescott is quicker than Terry. That's where it ends. I think he's a better footballer full stop and that's where it should end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Terry is still world-class when it is backs to the wall, and that is likely to be the case for most the games England will play, both because of our poor squad and because Hodgson will rightly line us up in that manner. But his weaknesses are glaring when asked to do anything different. it will be interesting to see what happens when we go a goal or two down in a game we need to win, especially if our opposition has pace up front. Even tricky movement when we're out-numbered in specific areas (ie on the flanks) and he looks like a bit of a joke imo, whereas someone like Colo looks good in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Actually feeling motivated to get behind England now, will end up backing France when we are put out though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 To wade into this, personally I think Terry is the most overated England of the last decade or so. What little ability he had has clearly gone now. His career has been helped immensely by the partner's he had and the fact that he's a good old London boy playing for the new cool London team. If Woodgate had been able to stay fit, no doubt in my mind that he and Rio would have been the premier England CB pairing instead of Terry and Rio. Lescott and Jaghoweveryouspellit, should be our #1 partnership in this tournament, it's not world class but it's the best we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 To wade into this, personally I think Terry is the most overated England of the last decade or so. What little ability he had has clearly gone now. His career has been helped immensely by the partner's he had and the fact that he's a good old London boy playing for the new cool London team. If Woodgate had been able to stay fit, no doubt in my mind that he and Rio would have been the premier England CB pairing instead of Terry and Rio. Lescott and Jaghoweveryouspellit, should be our #1 partnership in this tournament, it's not world class but it's the best we have. What a load of nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Even at his peak, I often thought that Terry looked nervous in an England shirt, making misjudgements that he'd never have made for his club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Terry's an old fashioned centre half and a good leader of men, not sure he'll be afforded the respect he once had from his team-mates with his goings-on, and I wouldn't have taken him....he's been found wanting too often in the last 18 months on the pitch also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Joseph Barton @Joey7Barton Why are people giving me loads about England saying "cant get in squad etc". On ability I walk in the squad, on behaviour i don't... #fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Kelly injured as well now, hasn't trained apparently. Mon Simpson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Joseph Barton @Joey7Barton Why are people giving me loads about England saying "cant get in squad etc". On ability I walk in the squad, on behaviour i don't... #fact BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA Warranted response^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Joseph Barton @Joey7Barton Why are people giving me loads about England saying "cant get in squad etc". On ability I walk in the squad, on behaviour i don't... #fact While thinking Barton's had a really poor season - especially after the very good season he's had with us before - I'd still have him over Henderson every day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Joseph Barton @Joey7Barton If Henderson got in, any englishman not currently in the squad has to feel aggrieved. Yes, i wish i was there but im not.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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