Guest reefatoon Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sometimes you get knocked out early but then 4 years later you are back in the tournament quite unpredictably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:19, Ian W said: Oh sorry, let's go mental after two games. If you can't judge a team on a tournament we've been preparing for for years, then when can you judge them? It's not hyperbole or knee-jerking to make a judgement on the significant evidence we have. You're allowed to make a bold judgement/decision/comment and it not be an over-reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:19, Ian W said: Oh sorry, let's go mental after two games. Two games which have led to the embarrassment of being knocked out at the group stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:26, r0cafella said: Quote Oh sorry, let's go mental after two games. Two games which have led to the embarrassment of being knocked out at the group stages. Obviously, but we knew before it was a tough group and we wanted to give young players a chance. I'm not saying it's not a bad result, I just hate the way people trot out the same old criticisms regardless of the actual circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You have 3 games to get out of the group stage, we've played 66.66% (recurring) of them. I think a judgement can be made tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think getting Wilshere sorted is key for us. Mainly due to injuries, he hasn't progressed in the last couple of years but he clearly has a lot of talent and I think, if fit, could be pivotal for England for the next 5-10 years. Certainly an improvement on Henderson who does next to fuck all, while Gerrard has again demonstrated his best times are long behind him. Welbeck, man. Just why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:27, Ian W said: Quote Quote Oh sorry, let's go mental after two games. Two games which have led to the embarrassment of being knocked out at the group stages. Obviously, but we knew before it was a tough group and we wanted to give young players a chance. I'm not saying it's not a bad result, I just hate the way people trot out the same old criticisms regardless of the actual circumstances. Its a group we should be getting out of for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We haven't given young players a chance though. We gave Sterling a chance because we haven't got any other wingers. Barkley was effectively used as a typical "we're losing, sling an attacker on" sub. Shaw has about as much WC experience as Flip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:28, neesy111 said: You have 3 games to get out of the group stage, we've played 66.66% (recurring) of them. I think a judgement can be made tbh. nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:31, Hanskissedhispantz said: We haven't given young players a chance though. We gave Sterling a chance because we haven't got any other wingers. Barkley was effectively used as a typical "we're losing, sling an attacker on" sub. Shaw has about as much WC experience as Flip. Wha? The entire frontline was youngsters apart from Rooney, and with Henderson in midfield. That's like half the team, not too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Uruguay have a truly world-class talent. We don't. That was the difference. However behind that it was the same old England. You'd have thought given everyone has seen Suarez play loads over the last 2-3 years in England, we'd be a bit more aware of him. Yet we seemed baffled by his alert, predatory running. Defence was too slow to react to it and at this level - well, Suarez's level anyway - that's not good enough. Midfield was sluggish, lack of movement.... it's just the usual story. Got to go fully with the younger players for Euro 2016 qualifying. Barkley, Lallana, Sterling, Wilshere, Sturridge. Get them all playing together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:34, Ian W said: Quote We haven't given young players a chance though. We gave Sterling a chance because we haven't got any other wingers. Barkley was effectively used as a typical "we're losing, sling an attacker on" sub. Shaw has about as much WC experience as Flip. Wha? The entire frontline was youngsters apart from Rooney, and with Henderson in midfield. That's like half the team, not too bad. I wouldn't really consider Sturridge, Welbeck and Henderson to be "youngsters" mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:36, Hanskissedhispantz said: Quote Quote We haven't given young players a chance though. We gave Sterling a chance because we haven't got any other wingers. Barkley was effectively used as a typical "we're losing, sling an attacker on" sub. Shaw has about as much WC experience as Flip. Wha? The entire frontline was youngsters apart from Rooney, and with Henderson in midfield. That's like half the team, not too bad. I wouldn't really consider Sturridge, Welbeck and Henderson to be "youngsters" mind. The underlying caveat being only one of them is good enough at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:30, Neil said: Welbeck, man. Just why? On this note was thinking that the one thing that worked vs. Italy was the attack, even Welbeck down the right. If there was a weak point in the game it was the defence and how well protected it was. Roy's answer was to change 75%* of a functional attack wasn't it? Leaving only Sturridge where he was the previous game, all the while seemingly doing nothing to plug the defence which ended up costing us. Laughable really, but let's not judge him just yet lads. *from the point I caught it Welbeck seemed to be left wing so i've assumed he started there but that may not be the case I'm aware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Lallana's not as young as I thought he was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It's got to be the Man Utd connection. I don't get it, otherwise. He's clearly not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:39, joeyt said: Lallana's not as young as I thought he was Yeah, I thought he was a couple of years younger. Point remains though, the 'newer' England players are we should be placing most of our emphasis and optimism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We were unlucky to get the group we did, that much is true I guess. Still not an excuse at all as we've fallen spectacularly short once again. We'll be better equipped in 2 years if our players keep progressing. Really need a dude like Vidal, though, as someone has said. Really wish Rodwell didn't get injured then go to Man City. Ruined him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 09:39, mrmojorisin75 said: Quote Welbeck, man. Just why? On this note was thinking that the one thing that worked vs. Italy was the attack, even Welbeck down the right. If there was a weak point in the game it was the defence and how well protected it was. Roy's answer was to change 75%* of a functional attack wasn't it? Leaving only Sturridge where he was the previous game, all the while seemingly doing nothing to plug the defence which ended up costing us. Media doesnt help though. All the emphasis is on Rooney & Hodgson makes himself an easy target if he doesn't change it. Maybe he'd have done it anyway, I've still no idea why some managers can't adapt a side when something isn't working. Half time, just put them back in the Italy formation, or do something else. They likely get to attached to a system they've planned in preperation & can't take the ego hit when it fails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sturridge was too wide a lot of the time. Thought he played really well though, his all round play is fantastic. If he keeps progressing we'll have a bloody good striker to take to the next Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 On 20/06/2014 at 10:13, TaylorJ_01 said: Sturridge was too wide a lot of the time. Thought he played really well though, his all round play is fantastic. If he keeps progressing we'll have a bloody good striker to take to the next Euros. Is the next Euros being extended or is that the one after? We may need it just to get there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Roy deciding to go Alan Pardew on us and play Welbeck because he works hard didn't help like. Also once again we struggled to assert any sort of control over the game, Gerrard barely showed for the ball often leaving Henderson to come and pick it up from deep where he should actually be shuttling between the lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Think Jagielka, Hart, Gerrard, Henderson & Welbeck were the players who didnt step up. The rest played decently, with stand outs from Sturridge, Sterling & Barkley in the first game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Barkley didn't do anything though, through no fault of his own really like, but you cannot claim Welbeck didn't step up but Barkley was a standout, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Would agree on Jagielka fwiw. Good defender, at times extremely good, but certainly never been truly top-class and I think it showed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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