themanupstairs Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Been thinking about this for a while. Has Mike Ashley gone and invested in the wrong club in buying NUFC? What if he had bought a smaller club with a smaller, "less passionate" fan base, smaller (more manageable) debt, and a lower profile? Would his methods have worked? Say he went and bought a Blackburn, a Fulham, or a Wigan. How do you think it would have turned out for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yes fk yes he was 100% wrong to buy us the CUNT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yep. Should have bought Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yep. Should have bought Sunderland. Beat me to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mani Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 rhetorical question right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yes a knowledge of managers limited to 1995, a bloke he met in a casino as chairman and trying to make a profit with an already small, shit squad would have been faultless elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 There was never going to be a right club for him to buy, considering the amount he was willing to spend and expected in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 rhetorical question right? The question is rhetorical yes. What I'm really asking though is, would his business model, systems and actions have worked had he bought a lower profile club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Think it would have been different if hed bought another side yes In that scenario he wouldnt have let go* a very popular manager So the fans wouldnt all turn against him And supposedly he'd have had more money to invest in the side The team he bought would have had less injuries & a bigger squad so they could compete They would have had one manager, all the way through the season His ideas for investing in young talent would have been positive etc etc Yes he made a giant cock up by choosing us. He couldnt handle it. The problem wasnt his initial ideas but how he reacted to the situations that came about. The guy has disasterous decision making skills it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yep. Should have bought Sunderland. Beat me to it. beat me to it too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mani Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 rhetorical question right? The question is rhetorical yes. What I'm really asking though is, would his business model, systems and actions have worked had he bought a lower profile club? I personally thought he brought the right club , managed it abysmally. I thought his continental model could have worked had he employed a european manager with a european director that were willing to work with each other. Instead he creamed his pants when he first heard Keegan was available and a completely misguided decision to bring in Wise as a director of football. He personally said he always went with his gut feeling. That's his ultimately downfall. I have no sympathy for the fat tw@t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 The fat twat bought us because he thought he was going to sell us quickly for a £50 - £100million pound profit. No other reason. He should have bought Darlo instead. Hard luck Mike, eh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 How many top flight football teams make a worthwhile profit? I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 No fucking shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. I think that's what we were saying... they weren't business mistakes, they were 'running a football club' mistakes. He should never have bought a football club. Obviously if he had bought a club that didn't have any problems to start with, he might have done alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 if he'd done due dilligence he wouldn't have bought the club. the business model was ok as in "keep the debt within bounds that we can repay without taking on more debt to pay it"....on the football side his appointment of kinnear says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. His business model could have worked at other clubs, as it could have here, but he appointed the wrong people and fucked up nearly every decision he ever made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yes, he did I and most NUFC fans wish he'd never come withing 240 miles of Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. His business model could have worked at other clubs, as it could have here, but he appointed the wrong people and f***ed up nearly every decision he ever made. I agree. But if he'd been the owner at say Fulham, he wouldn't have fallen into the trap of appointing a massive figure like Keegan. Obviously a figure like him brings sentimentality and a rallying of the troops. We're just not a straightforward club, which is why he has failed so miserably, for not recognizing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. His business model could have worked at other clubs, as it could have here, but he appointed the wrong people and fucked up nearly every decision he ever made. He would have made the same stupid mistakes at a different club, just on a smaller scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. I think that's what we were saying... they weren't business mistakes, they were 'running a football club' mistakes. He should never have bought a football club. Obviously if he had bought a club that didn't have any problems to start with, he might have done alright. Which clubs don't have any problems? I agree. But if he'd been the owner at say Fulham, he wouldn't have fallen into the trap of appointing a massive figure like Keegan. Obviously a figure like him brings sentimentality and a rallying of the troops. We're just not a straightforward club, which is why he has failed so miserably, for not recognizing that. Is this the same Fulham which at the last count had a debt of around £200m, and a wage bill of £39m with a turnover of £54m? I'm sure he'd have done a great job there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't think it was a case of Ashley buying the wrong club, more like Ashley not being suited to owning a football club full stop. Was just going to say this, he thought of a football club as a rich man's toy and amusement for the weekends. His naivety was staggering. So no one thinks that his business model could have worked for other clubs? What was Ashley's single biggest mistake? The Keegan debacle? or was it the fact that he let the club play out more than half the season with Hughton and Kinnear in charge? These weren't business mistakes. What hurt Ashley the most as owner of the club was when he started to piss on the fans from a great height thinking he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. I think that's what we were saying... they weren't business mistakes, they were 'running a football club' mistakes. He should never have bought a football club. Obviously if he had bought a club that didn't have any problems to start with, he might have done alright. Which clubs don't have any problems? I agree. But if he'd been the owner at say Fulham, he wouldn't have fallen into the trap of appointing a massive figure like Keegan. Obviously a figure like him brings sentimentality and a rallying of the troops. We're just not a straightforward club, which is why he has failed so miserably, for not recognizing that. Is this the same Fulham which at the last count had a debt of around £200m, and a wage bill of £39m with a turnover of £54m? I'm sure he'd have done a great job there too. owed to al fayed. are you saying ashley was crap because he wouldn't bankroll the club to your liking ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Which clubs don't have any problems? I wasn't saying there were any... just discussing the possibility. Not trying to move any blame away from Ashley at all, but let's face facts that a less prominent, controversial and troubled club would have been a much easier purchase for him. He might well still have fucked it up, just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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