The other games today - 2009/10

[Foluwashola]

I preferred old Wembley to the new Wembley anyway tbh.

even though it was a shithole when i went at least there was the history etc. now it's pointless.

 

The Whitley Bay team won't agree and their word is gospel.

[Stifler]

Personally I'm quite pleased with the fact that we have a national stadium and although with semis being played taking some of the gloss of it is still something special to go to Wembley and I can't wait til we get the chance to go there.

If people want to see England play so desperately they can get themselves to London, its hardly a difficult place to get to in these days.

Getting to London in most cases is fairly easy, most (if not all cities) have a direct train route, a major road route, and a lot have direct flights. However for all of the public transport London offers it can be rather difficult to actually travel in London once you arrive. Also the question has to be asked is, why should London beneift from all of these games, after England games are national games, so surely every corner of the nation should have a chance of benefitting from hosting national games, and why should London gain from games that could be played between two clubs (for example the FA Cup games, and the play off's) that arn't from London all the time?

[brummie]

I preferred old Wembley to the new Wembley anyway tbh.

 

Really?

 

Christ, I didn't. It was a dump which should have been rebuilt at the very least 30 years before it was.

[Mowen]

I must say I kinda envy your Wembley tradition. We just play our cup finals in neutral venues, and the semis in home/away legs and it doesn't have that special feeling. But we have never had a "national stadium".

 

 

Our FA trampled all over our Wembley tradition when they started holding Cup semi finals there. it totally devalues the mystique of Wembley if you get to go there for the semi final too.

seconded brummie.

 

Agreed. Problem now is they'd never pay for the new stadium without doing so.

pretty sure they could have afforded a better, cheaper stadium if it didn't HAVE to be in london.

 

 

massivly overpriced and in a crap part of the country. especially when the majority of folk would rather the majority of england games were played in the regions.

 

Agree with all that too. Should have been somewhere in the Midlands IMO.

 

Disagree. The site they were talking about in the Midlands was near the NEC, purely because it is near the motorway, and has a decent sized airport and a train station on site. The issue with that is it's close enough to London to make it worth actually building it in London.

 

There was never any real prospect of it leaving London. I don't have a problem with that. Personally, I don't think we really need a national stadium at all, but if we are going to have one, it can't be anywhere in the provinces - no provincial city has anything like the extra attractions London has.

no provincial city has those attractions because...........................

 

 

of that sort of thinking.

 

 

 

anyway would you be put off going to an england game because you couldn't squeeze in an hour at the whitechapel art gallery beforehand ? most england supporters from outside the south east go and get out as sharp as possible.

 

Yeah, I'd be just as inclined to spend a weekend taking in an England game if it was in Coventry

[brummie]

Personally I'm quite pleased with the fact that we have a national stadium and although with semis being played taking some of the gloss of it is still something special to go to Wembley and I can't wait til we get the chance to go there.

If people want to see England play so desperately they can get themselves to London, its hardly a difficult place to get to in these days.

Getting to London in most cases is fairly easy, most (if not all cities) have a direct train route, a major road route, and a lot have direct flights. However for all of the public transport London offers it can be rather difficult to actually travel in London once you arrive. Also the question has to be asked is, why should London beneift from all of these games, after England games are national games, so surely every corner of the nation should have a chance of benefitting from hosting national games, and why should London gain from games that could be played between two clubs (for example the FA Cup games, and the play off's) that arn't from London all the time?

 

Not really.

 

I left the CCF 5 mins after the final whistle (as, staggeringly, did lots and lots of Man U fans who couldnt be arsed to wait around for the final whistle, let alone the trophy presentation. I guess that's how it is when you're so successful), walked down Wembley Way, got on the tube and was back in Harrow to get in the car with the absolute minimum of fuss. And that was with 90,000 people there.

 

 

[madras]

I must say I kinda envy your Wembley tradition. We just play our cup finals in neutral venues, and the semis in home/away legs and it doesn't have that special feeling. But we have never had a "national stadium".

 

 

Our FA trampled all over our Wembley tradition when they started holding Cup semi finals there. it totally devalues the mystique of Wembley if you get to go there for the semi final too.

seconded brummie.

 

Agreed. Problem now is they'd never pay for the new stadium without doing so.

pretty sure they could have afforded a better, cheaper stadium if it didn't HAVE to be in london.

 

 

massivly overpriced and in a crap part of the country. especially when the majority of folk would rather the majority of england games were played in the regions.

 

Agree with all that too. Should have been somewhere in the Midlands IMO.

 

Disagree. The site they were talking about in the Midlands was near the NEC, purely because it is near the motorway, and has a decent sized airport and a train station on site. The issue with that is it's close enough to London to make it worth actually building it in London.

 

There was never any real prospect of it leaving London. I don't have a problem with that. Personally, I don't think we really need a national stadium at all, but if we are going to have one, it can't be anywhere in the provinces - no provincial city has anything like the extra attractions London has.

no provincial city has those attractions because...........................

 

 

of that sort of thinking.

 

 

 

anyway would you be put off going to an england game because you couldn't squeeze in an hour at the whitechapel art gallery beforehand ? most england supporters from outside the south east go and get out as sharp as possible.

 

Yeah, I'd be just as inclined to spend a weekend taking in an England game if it was in Coventry

would you spend a weekend for an england home game ?. the majority of england fans go to the game then go home, if they are stopping over they'll look for somewhere to drink and eat.................does only london offer this facility ?

 

 

why not think of which is best for england fans to get to transport wise and what it would probably bring to some other area ?

[Stifler]

Personally I'm quite pleased with the fact that we have a national stadium and although with semis being played taking some of the gloss of it is still something special to go to Wembley and I can't wait til we get the chance to go there.

If people want to see England play so desperately they can get themselves to London, its hardly a difficult place to get to in these days.

Getting to London in most cases is fairly easy, most (if not all cities) have a direct train route, a major road route, and a lot have direct flights. However for all of the public transport London offers it can be rather difficult to actually travel in London once you arrive. Also the question has to be asked is, why should London beneift from all of these games, after England games are national games, so surely every corner of the nation should have a chance of benefitting from hosting national games, and why should London gain from games that could be played between two clubs (for example the FA Cup games, and the play off's) that arn't from London all the time?

 

Not really.

 

I left the CCF 5 mins after the final whistle (as, staggeringly, did lots and lots of Man U fans who couldnt be arsed to wait around for the final whistle, let alone the trophy presentation. I guess that's how it is when you're so successful), walked down Wembley Way, got on the tube and was back in Harrow to get in the car with the absolute minimum of fuss. And that was with 90,000 people there.

 

 

It all depends where about you come from, I mean not all trains go to Kings cross, and not all roads and such lead you directly to Wemberly, infact public transport is surposed to be rather poor around there. And also, since the Man Utd fans stayed behind after the final whistle for the trophy you were only up against half of the crowd, so thats about 45k, thats less then the crowd at most games at SJP. Imagine how much harder it would of been for the fans of Man Utd who did stay behind?

 

As Madras said, why not think of what games like these could bring to other areas?

[Mowen]

Huge numbers of fans (a minority, but still loads) go to London for the weekend for England games. I know you like a whinge about London saying how horrible it is but face it, you're in a minority there.

 

It's also pretty easy to get to with train links to nigh on everywhere and despite what Stifler said above is very, very easy to travel around once you're there.

 

The vast majority of games when it was moving around the country (and certainly pretty much every game of any significance) were at Old Trafford, was that any better? I quite like the concept of a national stadium, particularly under the Wembley name, arguably the most famous sporting venue in the world. Similar to Lords in cricket, every footballer wants to play at Wembley.

 

Having said that I don't think it's been executed particularly well, not every single game needs to be played there and it's not my favourite stadium.

[Mowen]

Personally I'm quite pleased with the fact that we have a national stadium and although with semis being played taking some of the gloss of it is still something special to go to Wembley and I can't wait til we get the chance to go there.

If people want to see England play so desperately they can get themselves to London, its hardly a difficult place to get to in these days.

Getting to London in most cases is fairly easy, most (if not all cities) have a direct train route, a major road route, and a lot have direct flights. However for all of the public transport London offers it can be rather difficult to actually travel in London once you arrive. Also the question has to be asked is, why should London beneift from all of these games, after England games are national games, so surely every corner of the nation should have a chance of benefitting from hosting national games, and why should London gain from games that could be played between two clubs (for example the FA Cup games, and the play off's) that arn't from London all the time?

 

Not really.

 

I left the CCF 5 mins after the final whistle (as, staggeringly, did lots and lots of Man U fans who couldnt be arsed to wait around for the final whistle, let alone the trophy presentation. I guess that's how it is when you're so successful), walked down Wembley Way, got on the tube and was back in Harrow to get in the car with the absolute minimum of fuss. And that was with 90,000 people there.

 

 

It all depends where about you come from, I mean not all trains go to Kings cross, and not all roads and such lead you directly to Wemberly, infact public transport is surposed to be rather poor around there. And also, since the Man Utd fans stayed behind after the final whistle for the trophy you were only up against half of the crowd, so thats about 45k, thats less then the crowd at most games at SJP. Imagine how much harder it would of been for the fans of Man Utd who did stay behind?

 

As Madras said, why not think of what games like these could bring to other areas?

 

It isn't.

[ElDiablo]

What a crock of shite. It's a piece of piss to navigate your way round London if you've an ounce of common sense and initiative.

[Neil]

It's a big city with lots of people and stuff. 

[Disco]

At least the money for Wembley could've been spent on grassroots,coaching and the likes & they're not building another massive fucking white elephant just down the road in Stratford.

[Guest kingdawson]

I preferred old Wembley to the new Wembley anyway tbh.

 

Really?

 

Christ, I didn't. It was a dump which should have been rebuilt at the very least 30 years before it was.

 

Yeh i loved it. Been to new Wembley twice and although it undoubtedly looks better, there was something about Old Wembley that the new one doesn't have (probably the history as Madras said). The location of the stadium is a shithole in general but used to go to every England game for £4 (one of the many benefits of captaining Queens park's year 7 team to Brent cup glory).

[madras]

Huge numbers of fans (a minority, but still loads) go to London for the weekend for England games. I know you like a whinge about London saying how horrible it is but face it, you're in a minority there.

 

It's also pretty easy to get to with train links to nigh on everywhere and despite what Stifler said above is very, very easy to travel around once you're there.

 

The vast majority of games when it was moving around the country (and certainly pretty much every game of any significance) were at Old Trafford, was that any better? I quite like the concept of a national stadium, particularly under the Wembley name, arguably the most famous sporting venue in the world. Similar to Lords in cricket, every footballer wants to play at Wembley.

 

Having said that I don't think it's been executed particularly well, not every single game needs to be played there and it's not my favourite stadium.

i like the idea of a national stadium. for the major england games and cup finals but was it worth the money for it to be built there ? would somewhere else have benfited had it been elsewhere ? would fewer people had gone ?

 

isnt it time  we stopped feeding the big fish ? it's pointless saying we should put this new thing there in london because of what london has to offer as it turns into a black hole effect.

[Mowen]

It wasn't worth the money but I don't think the ludicrous overspend was because it was in London...just because they fucked up on near enough everything as far as I could tell.

 

I agree with you in the second point, but I think to relocate the national stadium would have been mental with the Wembley name alone being arguably the most famous in sport. I'd be all for new stadia being around the country but I don't think removing Wembley outright was ever a feasible option and don't think it should be, it wasn't a new thing as such, rather giving a dying stadium a facelift. Tradition has a place in sport.

[Stifler]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

[madras]

It wasn't worth the money but I don't think the ludicrous overspend was because it was in London...just because they f***ed up on near enough everything as far as I could tell.

 

I agree with you in the second point, but I think to relocate the national stadium would have been mental with the Wembley name alone being arguably the most famous in sport. I'd be all for new stadia being around the country but I don't think removing Wembley outright was ever a feasible option and don't think it should be, it wasn't a new thing as such, rather giving a dying stadium a facelift. Tradition has a place in sport.

of course it would and after a year or so everyone would treat it as normal.

[Village Idiot]

They should have kept some architectonic elements of Old Wembley, though. Granted I have only seen aerial shots of the thing, but nothing in it makes you think of Old Wembley. I mean, the white towers...

[Mowen]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

 

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

[madras]

They should have kept some architectonic elements of Old Wembley, though. Granted I have only seen aerial shots of the thing, but nothing in it makes you think of Old Wembley. I mean, the white towers...

those white towers and wembley way were 'wembley' and were actually a bit of a let down when there.

[madras]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

 

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ?

[Village Idiot]

They should have kept some architectonic elements of Old Wembley, though. Granted I have only seen aerial shots of the thing, but nothing in it makes you think of Old Wembley. I mean, the white towers...

those white towers and wembley way were 'wembley' and were actually a bit of a let down when there.

 

Dunno, I have been to Old Wembley and I was pretty impressed by the whole way and the the towers as you approached the entrance. Then the stadium on itself was admittedly a bit of a letdown.

[Mowen]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

 

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ?

 

It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be shit though.

[madras]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

 

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ?

 

It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be s*** though.

the SJP argument doesnt wash. its a newcastle stadium...the england stadium would still be in england.

[Mowen]

So travelling in London is easy, so too it is for travelling in other cities in the UK, most of our stadia isn't hard to get to, so maybe the transport problem isn't a problem or even a debate I should of brought up.

 

Though my original point is the one that Madras came up with, why give the big fish all the food, when it is only going to get bigger and leave less room in the tank for the smaller fish who will end up suffering?

 

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ?

 

It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be s*** though.

the SJP argument doesnt wash. its a newcastle stadium...the england stadium would still be in england.

 

Blyth's pretty much in Newcastle though...

 

I was only fishing with that line I reckon it probably is arguable but I'm too tired to work it out properly.

 

We won't agree on the England stadium so there's not that much point really, plus I think it's my bedtime. I'm happy to have another go another day if you fancy an itching post though.