Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 So a team is lacking ambition when they don't sell their best players? And there's no chance that money will be reinvested properly. We'll certainly not get a better striker than Carroll. A team should sell one of their current best players to open the door for superior ones to come in, surely? AC as aplayer was going to limit our ambitions in the future because he's an average striker who is only suited to a one dimensional style of play. The timing of the sale was shocking to but the opportunity was too big to miss. Te second point is moot tbh but recent windows suggest the club can do smart business. Sorry but Carroll didn't limit our play, rather made the very best of what limited play we are capable off. If we're being truthful, bar the Ben Arfa who's not played 3 full games this season, Barton's been the only bit of creativity in our midfield and Carroll made the most of that. That first sentence pretty much encompasses my point, our team attack wise is terrible, we now have the opportunity to build something better overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 So a team is lacking ambition when they don't sell their best players? And there's no chance that money will be reinvested properly. We'll certainly not get a better striker than Carroll. A team should sell one of their current best players to open the door for superior ones to come in, surely? AC as aplayer was going to limit our ambitions in the future because he's an average striker who is only suited to a one dimensional style of play. The timing of the sale was shocking to but the opportunity was too big to miss. Te second point is moot tbh but recent windows suggest the club can do smart business. Sorry but Carroll didn't limit our play, rather made the very best of what limited play we are capable off. If we're being truthful, bar the Ben Arfa who's not played 3 full games this season, Barton's been the only bit of creativity in our midfield and Carroll made the most of that. That first sentence pretty much encompasses my point, our team attack wise is terrible, we now have the opportunity to build something better overall. So to become better we need to go back to being shit again? The only team that has worked out how to do that was Manure as far as I can remember, when RVN left. Surely you do realise that the reason people are pissed is because AC was still improving with every game he played? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 So basically he hasn't signed his new deal and Carroll has left, sounds like potential 2+2=5 stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? Depends where the money goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 So a team is lacking ambition when they don't sell their best players? And there's no chance that money will be reinvested properly. We'll certainly not get a better striker than Carroll. A team should sell one of their current best players to open the door for superior ones to come in, surely? AC as aplayer was going to limit our ambitions in the future because he's an average striker who is only suited to a one dimensional style of play. The timing of the sale was shocking to but the opportunity was too big to miss. Te second point is moot tbh but recent windows suggest the club can do smart business. Sorry but Carroll didn't limit our play, rather made the very best of what limited play we are capable off. If we're being truthful, bar the Ben Arfa who's not played 3 full games this season, Barton's been the only bit of creativity in our midfield and Carroll made the most of that. That first sentence pretty much encompasses my point, our team attack wise is terrible, we now have the opportunity to build something better overall. So to become better we need to go back to being s*** again? The only team that has worked out how to do that was Manure as far as I can remember, when RVN left. Surely you do realise that the reason people are pissed is because AC was still improving with every game he played? No people are mainly pissed off because the lack of immediate replacement is stupid but won't be detremental to our survival chances ultimately imo. And we don't have to become shit again, we're already fairly crap but extremely lucky the league is abysmal this year but on top of that all we need to do is ensure survival then we have a great budget to dramatically improve, so 6 more months of playing exactly the same way but with potentially less efficiency. The lad's improved no doubt but his potential is limited, let's just see how he does in a side who prefer to play the ball on the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Well the club has a hell of a while to scout a lot of players, hardly impossible is it? Anyway that's only one way to spend the money, there's tons of varieties. I just think this saga doesn't necessaily signal a lack of ambition, fair enough if we'd sold at 20m but we've given ourselves a platform to get a better team, which would show ambition. One door shuts another opens etc. Obviously if they go for someone inferior to what we had then i'll hold my hands up and say yeah we're small time but the club have been giving off great signals with the latest transfers in, so i'd rather wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 This could become very frustrating, I really hope we can keep our players together for at least one more season because if we spend the money well we could have a good season next year. In terms of Barton, I'm not as worried about this potential news as I would be if it was someone like Enrique or Tiote because there is no club in the top 4 who would go near Barton. If he left he'd end up at somewhere like Villa which won't be highly attractive to him I don't think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tall Striker Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ridiculous that people are believing Tall Striker. Don't shoot the messenger, its just what I've read on toontastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Sounds anything but positive, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Unbelievable. 6 or 7 Ben Arfa/Tiote-style signings? On this day I weep for the tragic passing of reality-based arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Unbelievable. 6 or 7 Ben Arfa/Tiote-style signings? On this day I weep for the tragic passing of reality-based arguments. I think we're taking that particular statement a bit too literally, no? The general point is that we can strengthen the team in several areas with that money, and end up with a better side than if we'd kept Carroll. A perfectly reasonable opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Unbelievable. 6 or 7 Ben Arfa/Tiote-style signings? On this day I weep for the tragic passing of reality-based arguments. Firstly buying good players for minimal fees isn't hard like see Dembele, Afellay, VDV and Sessegnon for recent proof. Secondly i wasn't saying that 6/7 was a realistic outcome either, i was saying that in terms of price equivalence you 'CAN' (not will realistically) get that as those deals were around the 5m mark and 7 x 5 = 35. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 fair enough then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Unbelievable. 6 or 7 Ben Arfa/Tiote-style signings? On this day I weep for the tragic passing of reality-based arguments. Firstly buying good players for minimal fees isn't hard like see Dembele, Afellay, VDV and Sessegnon for recent proof. Secondly i wasn't saying that 6/7 was a realistic outcome either, i was saying that in terms of price equivalence you 'CAN' (not will realistically) get that as those deals were around the 5m mark and 7 x 5 = 35. And pay them nothing? Doubt they'll come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dunno if it's true but I'd be doing exactly the same in his position. Where's the ambition? I'd say the club was lacking ambition if we hadn't accepted the deal, limiting ourselves to a stupidly overhyped, glorified battering ram of a striker who, if anything limited our style of play. We can get players a on a different level to AC with that cash. Seriously what is with the clamour for Carroll on here, he's not that good and never will be, he wasn't even the best player in our squad. What tools apart from heading does he really have to make it as a great player? His skill is average, as is his pace, intelligence and finishing. People need to give their heads a shake saying he was going to be a PL great (not specifically you Dave), after scoring 11 goals in one of the worst standard seasons in the league's history, a season where Leon Best has scored a hattrick and a newly promoted club has hit 5+ goals in 3 matches and lets not forget Kevin Nolan already has 10 goals as well. We now have a great chance to build a good footballing side with some higher level players, with this money we can get 6/7 Ben Afra/Tiote like signings ffs, If Andy Carroll had stayed we'd have been confined to alot of boring route 1 stuff and i wouldn't want a team to be built around him for long as he can only take you to a certain level as aplayer. Onwards and upwards i say. Good luck with that. Jesus H. Christ. I'm sure that post is all just in our heads, it can't really have happened, can it? Unbelievable. 6 or 7 Ben Arfa/Tiote-style signings? On this day I weep for the tragic passing of reality-based arguments. Firstly buying good players for minimal fees isn't hard like see Dembele, Afellay, VDV and Sessegnon for recent proof. Secondly i wasn't saying that 6/7 was a realistic outcome either, i was saying that in terms of price equivalence you 'CAN' (not will realistically) get that as those deals were around the 5m mark and 7 x 5 = 35. And pay them nothing? Doubt they'll come. Hence why i put 6 as well to allow an extra 5m in wages if that's how it will work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I doubt they'll come for four grand a week either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 The comment about Carroll was what made me laugh. On a different level? Get real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tall Striker Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Caulkin says that there will be a "quite positive" update on Barton's contract situation in tomorrows papers (from today's Pardew press conference). Surely the only positive thing is that it's signed? Anything else just adds to the delay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Caulkin says that there will be a "quite positive" update on Barton's contract situation in tomorrows papers (from today's Pardew press conference). Surely the only positive thing is that it's signed? Anything else just adds to the delay. Pardew's gone and bought some pens from WH Smith so Barton can sign the contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Nah,Ashley's got a Betfred pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Caulkin says that there will be a "quite positive" update on Barton's contract situation in tomorrows papers (from today's Pardew press conference). Surely the only positive thing is that it's signed? Anything else just adds to the delay. Pardew's gone and bought got some pens on loan from WH Smith so Barton can sign the contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Caulkin says that there will be a "quite positive" update on Barton's contract situation in tomorrows papers (from today's Pardew press conference). Surely the only positive thing is that it's signed? Anything else just adds to the delay. Pardew's gone and bought got some pens on loan from WH Smith so Barton can sign the contract. I think he might have just nicked one from the Post Office upstairs actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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