BottledDog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I see that McKay is actually praising Llambias in particular in that interview regarding the handling of Joey through the tough times. We'll see what happens, but it seems that McKays one insistance was for a 4 year contract. That being the case, if he's not going to budge on that, and we're not willing to budge on that either, then fair enough, no point in discussing it further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/6/2/1243965551646/Willie-McKay-001.jpg doesn't look like a total cunt at all He kind of looks like that simpleton MEME Face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The one quote I found very strange was the one about Joey (probably) not signing any new/extended deal at NUFC unless there were new owners. To go from praising them for their handing of him during the tough times in one breath, to then say that seemed very odd - almost like burning the bridges, and Barton must have been happy enough for McKay to make that statement? What happens if the club turned round and offered him the deal/length of deal he wanted? He'd then look a bit stupid to do a U-Turn, if that is all that was the only snag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I think it meant new owners as the current ones won't meet his demands, as opposed to just not getting along with the current ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Regardless of who is 'to blame' for individual cases, the club consistently seeing good players leave/wanting to leave means that something is not right somewhere. Some people seem to be quite content for our best to go as long as they can say 'well we don't know every little detail so you can't say for definite that the club's at fault, get in there you beauty ' Sorry but how does that help the football team exactly? And sorry if we're letting one of our key players go over a contractual issue, even though he is prepared to take a pay cut, then the club is quite clearly at fault imo. Have they done everything they can to keep him? How much will replacing somebody of his influence and ability cost in transfer fees alone? So it's the club's fault they don't want to pay Barton he think he is worth, sounds like you prefer the Freddy Shepherd style of offering ridiculous wages to players (to which Barton was the last of them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 We have no idea who is lying (probably all parties involved) and who is telling what could be (very) widely interpreted as the truth. No real point in continuing to speculate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 McKay is lying, but he was telling the truth when he praised Llambias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Regardless of who is 'to blame' for individual cases, the club consistently seeing good players leave/wanting to leave means that something is not right somewhere. Some people seem to be quite content for our best to go as long as they can say 'well we don't know every little detail so you can't say for definite that the club's at fault, get in there you beauty ' Sorry but how does that help the football team exactly? And sorry if we're letting one of our key players go over a contractual issue, even though he is prepared to take a pay cut, then the club is quite clearly at fault imo. Have they done everything they can to keep him? How much will replacing somebody of his influence and ability cost in transfer fees alone? So it's the club's fault they don't want to pay Barton he think he is worth, sounds like you prefer the Freddy Shepherd style of offering ridiculous wages to players (to which Barton was the last of them). No he wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 McKay is lying, but he was telling the truth when he praised Llambias. So how do we know when he is telling the truth or lying then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Regardless of who is 'to blame' for individual cases, the club consistently seeing good players leave/wanting to leave means that something is not right somewhere. Some people seem to be quite content for our best to go as long as they can say 'well we don't know every little detail so you can't say for definite that the club's at fault, get in there you beauty ' Sorry but how does that help the football team exactly? And sorry if we're letting one of our key players go over a contractual issue, even though he is prepared to take a pay cut, then the club is quite clearly at fault imo. Have they done everything they can to keep him? How much will replacing somebody of his influence and ability cost in transfer fees alone? So it's the club's fault they don't want to pay Barton he think he is worth, sounds like you prefer the Freddy Shepherd style of offering ridiculous wages to players (to which Barton was the last of them). No he wasn't. Who was? Barton was signed while Shepherd was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Regardless of who is 'to blame' for individual cases, the club consistently seeing good players leave/wanting to leave means that something is not right somewhere. Some people seem to be quite content for our best to go as long as they can say 'well we don't know every little detail so you can't say for definite that the club's at fault, get in there you beauty ' Sorry but how does that help the football team exactly? And sorry if we're letting one of our key players go over a contractual issue, even though he is prepared to take a pay cut, then the club is quite clearly at fault imo. Have they done everything they can to keep him? How much will replacing somebody of his influence and ability cost in transfer fees alone? So it's the club's fault they don't want to pay Barton he think he is worth, sounds like you prefer the Freddy Shepherd style of offering ridiculous wages to players (to which Barton was the last of them). No he wasn't. Who was? Barton was signed while Shepherd was here. He was the temporary chairman until Chris Mort learnt the ropes, Mike Ashley had the club ownership so was ultimately responsible for the Barton signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Regardless of who is 'to blame' for individual cases, the club consistently seeing good players leave/wanting to leave means that something is not right somewhere. Some people seem to be quite content for our best to go as long as they can say 'well we don't know every little detail so you can't say for definite that the club's at fault, get in there you beauty ' Sorry but how does that help the football team exactly? And sorry if we're letting one of our key players go over a contractual issue, even though he is prepared to take a pay cut, then the club is quite clearly at fault imo. Have they done everything they can to keep him? How much will replacing somebody of his influence and ability cost in transfer fees alone? So it's the club's fault they don't want to pay Barton he think he is worth, sounds like you prefer the Freddy Shepherd style of offering ridiculous wages to players (to which Barton was the last of them). No he wasn't. Who was? Barton was signed while Shepherd was here. He was the temporary chairman until Chris Mort learnt the ropes, Mike Ashley had the club ownership so was ultimately responsible for the Barton signing. Yeah, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 A paycut is akin to 'ridiculous wages'? Absolutely clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 A paycut is akin to 'ridiculous wages'? Absolutely clueless. Paying 50k for Barton at 32 could be very risky. See Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I assume his young top class replacement will be playing for free of course, not to mention that low, low transfer and signing on fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 This is probably a Giggs moment but Caulkin is reporting: "NUFC withdraw contract offer and look to sell Joey 'Bingo' Barton. He says he'll stay. Could be long summer..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If he's going to be put up for sale I have no problem with that, as to me he's not a top player. What I don't want to see is him leaving at the last minute without a replacement being brought in. If it gets too close to deadline day then make him play the season out, same as how Wigan made Zog stay when we pitched in a last minute offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I assume his young top class replacement will be playing for free of course, not to mention that low, low transfer and signing on fee. Barton is relatively easier to replace to be honest. The real problem is, who next? Coloccini? Nolan? That would be devastating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I assume his young top class replacement will be playing for free of course, not to mention that low, low transfer and signing on fee. Barton is relatively easier to replace to be honest. The real problem is, who next? Coloccini? Nolan? That would be devastating. If the club are indeed trying (in one way or another) to purge the high earners, then you'd have to guess that Colo could be next (assuming Enrique is as good as gone).... he was of course conspicuous by his absence from the 'lap of appreciation' too. What sort of money might Nolan be on, considering he was brought in January 09, well into the current regime, but also pre-relegation clauses, etc? Smith is the main one though - such a drain on wages, for what is essentially a bit part player now. Of course, he's hardly sellable either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I assume his young top class replacement will be playing for free of course, not to mention that low, low transfer and signing on fee. Barton is relatively easier to replace to be honest. The real problem is, who next? Coloccini? Nolan? That would be devastating. I would say Barton is harder to replace than Nolan. The latter has simply had a freak season, was reading some player stats for the year yesterday, and at one stage he had 16 shots on goal and from that - had 10 goals to his name, that level of strike rate is simply unsustainable... would obviously love for him to keep that up, but unlikely IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Still don't think Barton will get anything decent anywhere else. Be it his wages or his attitude. Alot of talk of him being 'difficult to handle' behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 He's clearly a high maintenance players and always will be. Even the 'converted' Joey Barton we keep hearing about is a moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 How is he a "moron"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just when I remind myself that McKay is playing the 'agents game' and that eventually Barton will most likely sign, I remember that Ashley/Llambias probably hate Joey as a person and won't let his football ability be a factor. They're that twattish and stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just when I remind myself that McKay is playing the 'agents game' and that eventually Barton will most likely sign, I remember that Ashley/Llambias probably hate Joey as a person and won't let his football ability be a factor. They're that twattish and stupid. This is it, like. He's said one too many nasty things about them, and this is his punishment. He'll now be painted as the villain, and people will lap it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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