Hughesy Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. Exactly - the only outspoken players currently seem to be those who are on their way and aren't getting what they want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Not that I really think potential targets are reading Joey's tweets but they will make the news which some potential players might read. Doesn't Joey realize this and how counter-productive that is to the goal he (and the club) are trying to achieve? He wants better players to come in yet better players will fuck off with this kind of news coming out. There's really only one answer to this whole thing and it's that Joey needs to tweet about his own personal stuff and keep club business/unhappiness off of his twitter. Well, as always, it has made the papers, local and national. If I were on the verge of signing, I'd be mad not to have second thoughts whether his utterances actually reflected reality or not. Utterly irresponsible, and helps no one. Cheers Jezza. you could say the same about nolan though? and enrique? keegan? hughton even if we get down to the e mail he sent to someone saying how hard they'd made it for him in the last weeks. at what point do you start to think, ok, there may actually be something in it if this many people feel the need to speak out about how bad a job they think those running the club are doing. Honestly, I think we all can see that there is 'something in it', a number of staff and players with either contractual grievences, or have been unceremonialy told to leave the club, have no love for the bosses and no faith that they are willing to invest to take the club forward. However I also see that there are plenty of players and staff who are very happy at the club who will be as annoyed by Bartons muttterings as I am. The thing is, if he came out with the line Jack Wiltshires just trotted out, that we need more investment to kick on, that we need more players, then that would be just as pointed and hard hitting if said often enough as what he is saying now, but without the inarguably large down sides. Can you not see that taking cheap shots at supporters being plants for a certain high street retailer is taking things too far? Can you not see that implying that another departing players grievences are just the tip of the iceberg gives any prospective player who might help push us on pause for thought? Sorry, Dr Venkman, but when Barton shows less sense and decorum than Wiltshire, fuck him. I've always had a good deal of regard for Barton, but he is currently being a massive helmet. can you not see that if no-one puts pressure on ashley, not players, not fans, not ex-professionals connected to the club, no-one. we could easily be facing a situation where he turns the club around so its making a profit and then continues with this policy to keep us in the premier league to help his advertising push and nothing else. and that this could go on for a long, long time? i think the chances of him suddenly finding the will to make us competitive at the level we should be (top 6) are getting ever smaller with every passing transfer window. dont you? Do you think frankly frustratingly vague attacks and digs at critical supporters being spys from sports direct will make a positive difference? I can see only negatives, for Joey, for his colleagues, for the supporters. As for Asley himself changing tack because of it? Not a chance. All anyone can do is continue to ask the questions, where the money is going, where is the striker we need, why can you not persuade Enrique to stay? Keep putting the pressure on Pardew and his bosses. I'm happy for even Joey to do this, but not however for the petulant shite he has spouted recently. i'm not expecting a few tweets from barton to change ashley's mindset, some more widespread pressure however and a bit of with holding cash and we might be rid off him. that's not taking into account the likelihood of ending up with an even worse owner though obviously. i guess i just dont hold much respect for the view that you dont speak your mind because you're likely to upset things. these problems should be sorted at the root imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. plenty of footballers leave clubs and are refused contracts without slagging off the club. why are nufc players different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. I get your point, I am quite sure you don't really believe that the rest of the squad are happy though, do you really? Most players' would just get on with it however Joey Barton is similar to Bellamy in that he would speak out if aggrieved, but as I said before, i think he hasn't quite crossed the line of unacceptable just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. plenty of footballers leave clubs and are refused contracts without slagging off the club. why are nufc players different? Because in their cases i'm sure they haven't been lied to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. plenty of footballers leave clubs and are refused contracts without slagging off the club. why are nufc players different? Good question. Either the way they've been treated by Ashley is worse (not denying that might be true) or Ashley is considered "fair game" for public attacks because of what has happened before. Also, no doubt the press are working hard to get stories about this (obviously doesn't apply to Joey's tweets). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. I get your point, I am quite sure you don't really believe that the rest of the squad are happy though, do you really? Most players' would just get on with it however Joey Barton is similar to Bellamy in that he would speak out if aggrieved, but as I said before, i think he hasn't quite crossed the line of unacceptable just yet. I don't see any reason to believe the rest of the squad is unhappy. The ones who have just arrived and/or are on contracts they are happy with and have years left will probably be absolutely fine. Obviously they each might have some concerns, but that's normal (maybe Jonas is unhappy that Jose is leaving etc). I wouldn't be surprised if most of our players saw Barton as a bit of a mentalist who they have to humour from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewBoyPeetah Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Mentalist - Class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Been Bollocked again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. I get your point, I am quite sure you don't really believe that the rest of the squad are happy though, do you really? Most players' would just get on with it however Joey Barton is similar to Bellamy in that he would speak out if aggrieved, but as I said before, i think he hasn't quite crossed the line of unacceptable just yet. I don't see any reason to believe the rest of the squad is unhappy. The ones who have just arrived and/or are on contracts they are happy with and have years left will probably be absolutely fine. Obviously they each might have some concerns, but that's normal (maybe Jonas is unhappy that Jose is leaving etc). I wouldn't be surprised if most of our players saw Barton as a bit of a mentalist who they have to humour from time to time. That doesn't quite stack up if you take into consideration Nolan's comments. He, after all, has no reason to lie about any of it, as IMO has got a very nice contract yet he accuses the club of moving the goalposts completely during negotiations and being messed around. Considering he was a very well liked member of the team and had a good season, i'm sure this would have massively upset the group. That's before we even take into account the reinvestment of the £35 million and ATM making a net profit this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewBoyPeetah Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Been Bollocked again? Someone else is using his twitter obviously, there's no "helmet" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hope you all understand? Long before you did Joey. I hate social networking. Soap boxes for already well massaged egos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Good lad, glad you came round. I won't hold my breath though, such an massive emo. Joey7Barton Joseph Barton "I've seen this happen, in other people's lives and now its happening in mine..........."The Smiths....... 14 minutes ago via web Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Been Bollocked again? There will be a time and a place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Been Bollocked again? Finally. Nice of him to come to that conclusion after he's been mouthing off for the last few weeks. Idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. I get your point, I am quite sure you don't really believe that the rest of the squad are happy though, do you really? Most players' would just get on with it however Joey Barton is similar to Bellamy in that he would speak out if aggrieved, but as I said before, i think he hasn't quite crossed the line of unacceptable just yet. I don't see any reason to believe the rest of the squad is unhappy. The ones who have just arrived and/or are on contracts they are happy with and have years left will probably be absolutely fine. Obviously they each might have some concerns, but that's normal (maybe Jonas is unhappy that Jose is leaving etc). I wouldn't be surprised if most of our players saw Barton as a bit of a mentalist who they have to humour from time to time. That doesn't quite stack up if you take into consideration Nolan's comments. He, after all, has no reason to lie about any of it, as IMO has got a very nice contract yet he accuses the club of moving the goalposts completely during negotiations and being messed around. Considering he was a very well liked member of the team and had a good season, i'm sure this would have massively upset the group. That's before we even take into account the reinvestment of the £35 million and ATM making a net profit this window. Well Nolan may have been led to believe he was getting a better deal then the goalposts moved. But I don't believe that would upset the other players, especially now he's gone. They might worry about what will happen when their own contracts come up for renewal I guess, but I would think that's a fairly normal worry in the life of a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
powellnufc Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Maybe he's been reading the forums and seen the way his comments are making himself look to the fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Big Geordie's right about one thing- as it stands we're primed for a relegation battle: - Limited up front with only one prove striker. - Bare bones in defence, likely to be further reduced by Enrique departure. - More than a few suggestions that the dressing room is unhappy. - Heart of the dressing room has been sold. - Pardew on thin ice with fans after a summer of frustration in terms of incoming players. - Gambling on foreign imports who we have no idea whether they will take to the PL. - Team has no natural leaders. - Fans fed up with Ashley and co continually bullshitting all and sundry. I'm not a negative supporter and neither am I hysterical but I genuinely believe that if we start the season poorly, then we'll be in the bottom 6 all season. Yes there's clubs with worse squads than ours, but the problems behind the scenes are rearing their heads and as showed in 08/09 they can be fatal if not quickly addressed. Agree with this mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey isn't the players' spokesman though, why not conclude that it's only players who aren't getting what they want that are unhappy? As I said, when people who aren't leaving, left or refused new contracts start complaining, then I'll worry. I get your point, I am quite sure you don't really believe that the rest of the squad are happy though, do you really? Most players' would just get on with it however Joey Barton is similar to Bellamy in that he would speak out if aggrieved, but as I said before, i think he hasn't quite crossed the line of unacceptable just yet. I don't see any reason to believe the rest of the squad is unhappy. The ones who have just arrived and/or are on contracts they are happy with and have years left will probably be absolutely fine. Obviously they each might have some concerns, but that's normal (maybe Jonas is unhappy that Jose is leaving etc). I wouldn't be surprised if most of our players saw Barton as a bit of a mentalist who they have to humour from time to time. That doesn't quite stack up if you take into consideration Nolan's comments. He, after all, has no reason to lie about any of it, as IMO has got a very nice contract yet he accuses the club of moving the goalposts completely during negotiations and being messed around. Considering he was a very well liked member of the team and had a good season, i'm sure this would have massively upset the group. That's before we even take into account the reinvestment of the £35 million and ATM making a net profit this window. Well Nolan may have been led to believe he was getting a better deal then the goalposts moved. But I don't believe that would upset the other players, especially now he's gone. They might worry about what will happen when their own contracts come up for renewal I guess, but I would think that's a fairly normal worry in the life of a footballer. I don't for a second believe that the players' would be happy with any of it. The £35 million being reinvested, management being accused of lying and trying to replace every player nearing the end of their contract with a cheaper alternative and it can even go as far back as Hughton being forced out - when he was really well liked and was doing a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Joey7Barton Joseph Barton I wont be commenting on situation at Newcastle again, as I feel it helps nobody and serves no purpose. Hope u all understand 34 seconds ago Been Bollocked again? Too little too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Big Geordie's right about one thing- as it stands we're primed for a relegation battle: - Limited up front with only one prove striker. - Bare bones in defence, likely to be further reduced by Enrique departure. - More than a few suggestions that the dressing room is unhappy. - Heart of the dressing room has been sold. - Pardew on thin ice with fans after a summer of frustration in terms of incoming players. - Gambling on foreign imports who we have no idea whether they will take to the PL. - Team has no natural leaders. - Fans fed up with Ashley and co continually bullshitting all and sundry. I'm not a negative supporter and neither am I hysterical but I genuinely believe that if we start the season poorly, then we'll be in the bottom 6 all season. Yes there's clubs with worse squads than ours, but the problems behind the scenes are rearing their heads and as showed in 08/09 they can be fatal if not quickly addressed. Agree with this mind. A few of those highlighted could equally have applied to the start of last season, and it turned out not as bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Some people Man that joey, tweeting negative comments that could affect the performances of our side I better get on twitter and explain to that first team player why hes such a twat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Well Nolan may have been led to believe he was getting a better deal then the goalposts moved. But I don't believe that would upset the other players, especially now he's gone. They might worry about what will happen when their own contracts come up for renewal I guess, but I would think that's a fairly normal worry in the life of a footballer. I don't for a second believe that the players' would be happy with any of it. The £35 million being reinvested, management being accused of lying and trying to replace every player nearing the end of their contract with a cheaper alternative and it can even go as far back as Hughton being forced out - when he was really well liked and was doing a good job. Well maybe, there's no way for us to know either way. I just don't think stuff like how much of the £35m we've sent will be of that much concern to most players. I also think they're quite resilient to players leaving the club, no matter what the circumstances. The exception might be when they have a very close personal relationship (Barton/Noilan/Carroll) but that sort of group doesn't crop up very often. Anyway, let's hope they are looking forward to the new season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Pretty sure the club's ambition in the transfer market will have more of an affect on team morale than Joey Barton's tweets tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Some people Man that joey, tweeting negative comments that could affect the performances of our side I better get on twitter and explain to that first team player why hes such a twat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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