Numbers Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Wish he would just shut the fuck up to be honest, hes not our problem now and im not interested in his drivvel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 decent reply from Llambias tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Personally think using Speed's passing to one up on Barton as a bit disgusting. Don't see how it has anything to do with this and thus why it has been mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Personally think using Speed's passing to one up on Barton as a bit disgusting. Don't see how it has anything to do with this and thus why it has been mentioned. only reason i can think is that Speed was the model professional and barton is a child throwing the toys out of the pram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 'We really do not wish to engage in a public war of words with Joey Barton' just after they engage in a public war of words with Joey Barton. Can't get the cunt to shut up when there's some slagging off to do man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Barton's comments are actually quite revealing and sum up how NUFC is ran - i.e. purely on a financial basis. Hughton wasn't sacked for footballing reasons for example but for financial ones and this is how NUFC will always be ran while Mike Ashley is the owner. In many ways this is a good thing because financialy we will always be on a sound footing under his stewardship, but for any football club to be even remotely successful there has to be a good marriage between sound finance and sound football. For example a half decent bid for any of our players would most likely be accepted even to the detriment of the footballing side. Whereas on the footballing side we look to spend as little as possible. At the moment this isn't to the detriment to the side but come January we could be in the top 6 and who knows, spending a few quid here and there on real quality could see us stay there or better still, compete for a top 4 spot. Or more realistically, we'll suffer from having a small and weak squad which could be helped out by spending some money to boslter it. Now that would be a good marriage between the finances and the actual football. That will most likely not happen though. We'll lose one or two for decent money and replace one or two for not a lot of money. The football and that side of it under Ashley and co. will always come a very poor second to the finances and that's because Ashley is a businessman. And on that front, Barton's comments also point to a long heald opinion of mine about Ashley that he simply doesn't value a footballer or a manager in the way the actual game does because he's not a football fan and never has been, he's a businessman. He doesn't see a fantsaticlly gifted young striker in Carroll he just sees pound signs. He doesn't see a good up and coming manager in Hughton either, he sees a mere employee who should do as he's told or bugger off. It is all good and well not bowing down to player power but footballers are not normal employees. They rake in millions for their respective clubs via their goals, performances and ability to draw in fans. When I go to St. James' Park I go to watch Ba score goals or Cabaye to spray the ball about. I don't go to watch 11 men simply kick a ball around. If that were the case I'd watch pub teams on a Sunday for free. I go because these players of ours either excite me or have something about them to attract me. Of course I go because I'm a Geordie and NUFC are my club but that isn't and never will be enough. Ashley doesn't value a footballer or a manager that's why he can peddle Barton for free and allow Kevin keegan, his biggest asset and NUFC's, to resign, Or how about sacking Hughton who it appears didn't share Ashley's ideas about bonuses and player sales. In all of this there needs to be a middleground. Ashley is not like that though. He's ruthless. He doesn't give a fuck about fans either, he sees us as customers. If one us is unhappy, there will always be another customer around the corner willing to pay up. We are doing well at the moment but we could do a whole lot better if he just got football that little bit more or saw it and those that make it what it is, the manager, the players and more importantly the fans, for what they are other than the mere employees and customers he sees us and values us as. That will never happen though and therefore we will never amound to much under him other than financial stability and the odd decent moment or two which we are experiencing right now. January will be very interesting. I get the impression Pardew will want to strengthen and not lose anyone and will believe, along with the players, that a top 6 finish is acheivable if that happens. He'll know by now pleading to the powers that be will probably fall on deaf ears as it did when he was pleading for a new striker only a few months ago which didn't materialise. What he and the players are doing is showing Ashley and co what can be achieved and we can only hope they see it, realise it and take it all in and share in it. NUFC are in a zone at the moment that could see us really kick on for the first time since Sir Bobby's days. We are about 3-4 additions away from having a really strong squad. We already have a decent first-team and some quality younger players but overall our squad isn't as strong as it could be. That zone... we must take the initiative when it comes our way and its there in front of us. The mackems had a glorious opportunity to overtake us by some distance following our relegation but they didn't. Villa didn't take the initiative they had going for them under O'Neill. Now, Spurs, they have. We need to. We did it under Sir Bobby when we were going well, we kept our best players in Dyer who was being courted by Man Utd and Leeds at the time and Nobby who was being courted by Real Madrid as two examples and we brought in Jenas, Woodgate and others to add to our strength. Sadly we lost the inititiave not long after and we have never really recovered. Until now. We all second guess Ashley because you just don't know and can never know with him but we'll know in January and perhaps the following summer. My guess is we'll see more of the same old same old. 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Guest schmuck Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Llambias is such a snivelling cunt, evoking Gary Speed's death like that as a leg up to the moral high ground, I feel rather queasy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I've only skimmed that HTT, but I don't think you're right to be so negative. Yes, Ashley will run NUFC on a purely financial basis firstly, but within those limits he seems to have assembled football people who will make a good fist of building a quality team. Anyway, would it not be more reckless to suddenly scrap the financial controls because of half a season in the top few? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Slight tangent like, but is that correct about sports direct bonuses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Slight tangent like, but is that correct about sports direct bonuses? Oh yeah, but i think its only for full time staff who had been employed there a couple of years at least to qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Slight tangent like, but is that correct about sports direct bonuses? Yes. Ashley came up with the scheme 2 years ago to try and improve performance. It worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I've only skimmed that HTT, but I don't think you're right to be so negative. Yes, Ashley will run NUFC on a purely financial basis firstly, but within those limits he seems to have assembled football people who will make a good fist of building a quality team. Anyway, would it not be more reckless to suddenly scrap the financial controls because of half a season in the top few? I'm actualy quite positive about our future, although that's because I have some kind of faith in the players and manager and I can also see a day when Ashley sells up but likewise the past has taught me where NUFC is concerned under his stewardship, things can quickly and drastically go wrong so that positivity isn't too strong. I don't advocate wreckless spending by the way, I just want to see the manager supported more in a financial sense and to see a bit of speculating to accumulate which Ashley hasn't really done since he took over. We are doing well finding 'hidden gems' like Tiote for relative buttons but there will come a time where we will have to spend good money to buy a good player and just as importantly to keep one. We did well getting Ba but a player of his quality would otherwise cost in access of 10-12m and I just cannot see Ashley spending that kind of money on a player which we will more than likely have to do at some point to kick on. That said, I'm more concerned about keeping our best players than buying best or better players. I worry any decent offer will be accepted. Of course we could never turn down the money we were offered for Carroll which was great business but would 20m be good business for Tiote for example? I personally don't think it would, even if it was reinvested into the playing side which history has shown will simply not happen. Anyway, what I am really advocating in amongs all the waffle is for there to be a good marriage between the financial and football side of things rather than one or the other. In the past especially under Shepherd and co. the football side often come first and the financial side a poor second. This time around its the finacial side. Both need to come first if you like or be equal as that is the only way to be successful. We can spend as little as possible and keep scouring France for talent until our hearts are content but we will come unstuck. We will sign a dud or two and we will be overtaken by clubs who do get the balance right bewteen the financial and footballing side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Aye, I know what you're saying, I really hope he might loosen the purse strings enough to keep our best players too. I think it might take a crazy bid to get one of them anyway, which is the situation most clubs are in. The wages thing is a worry though, would hate to lose someone like Colo over wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Slight tangent like, but is that correct about sports direct bonuses? Oh yeah, but i think its only for full time staff who had been employed there a couple of years at least to qualify. Jesus, that's a hell of a bonus. If we had bonuses like that maybe i wouldn't be such a workshy fop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Slight tangent like, but is that correct about sports direct bonuses? Oh yeah, but i think its only for full time staff who had been employed there a couple of years at least to qualify. Jesus, that's a hell of a bonus. If we had bonuses like that maybe i wouldn't be such a workshy fop. Aye i have make do with Walnut Whip and a fiver.......£40 grand..................ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Wasn't it shares rather than cash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Seen Llambas comments, he is crass and has no class. Ill leave it for another day but if he wants to take a polygraph live on tv, lets do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Wants a polygraph live on tv now Him verses dekka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Seen Llambas comments, he is crass and has no class. Ill leave it for another day but if he wants to take a polygraph live on tv, lets do it Stalking hell Dave, thought I had the scoop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Wasn't it shares rather than cash? "It may not be a lot of money to Joey' date=' but over 2,000 Sports Direct employees earning £20,000 will receive [b']shares[/b] worth over £44,000 over the next two years. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Seen Llambas comments, he is crass and has no class. Ill leave it for another day but if he wants to take a polygraph live on tv, lets do it Says the man who decided it was a good idea to go into the selfishness of suicide on Sunday... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Not only do I have insurmountable amounts of proof(texts etc et) but also about 6 others players who will concur. Am ready when u r Derek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Barton should shut the fuck up tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Seen Llambas comments, he is crass and has no class. Ill leave it for another day but if he wants to take a polygraph live on tv, lets do it polygraph test about what ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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