TRon Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Why do you want to use a verbal agreement to vilify Ashley when it comes to not handing out daft contracts to fatcat players, then slate the same regime for doing the same earlier on a technicality? Where are you coming from? I didn't slate them for handing out contracts to fatcat players. Care to point out where I did that? Right here: Barton was signed under Ashley in as much as he had to agree to the transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Whether you agree or not with what Barton has said tonight, it kind of cements what we already knew in terms of how the club is being operated and that there are problems behind the scenes (in the dressing room) I'm now very worried about next season and believe that at present, we are already facing another relegation battle. If Routledge signs for Swansea that means Ashley will have raked in nigh on £50million in transfer fees (incomings and outgoings) during his tenure and that is simply mind-boggling for a PL club to be ran in such a way. Perhaps this cash surplus is being kept to one side in case we go down? Been chatting to an old mate of my dad's, tonight and this coming season will be the first he has missed in nearly 40 years. He refuses to set foot again in St James until Ashley and Llambias are gone. He won't be alone in doing that I'm sure. Except Ashley hasn't "raked in" anything, he's been subsidising out losses out of his own pocket. Losses due to his own stupidity which he now seems intent on making the club pay for. Christ help us if we go down again because fans will desert the club en masse. I know that has been said before, but many have already rapped in and I suspect plenty others are on the brink. It's support that the club may never claim back in the future, even under a new regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Big Geordie's right about one thing- as it stands we're primed for a relegation battle: - Limited up front with only one prove striker. - Bare bones in defence, likely to be further reduced by Enrique departure. - More than a few suggestions that the dressing room is unhappy. - Heart of the dressing room has been sold. - Pardew on thin ice with fans after a summer of frustration in terms of incoming players. - Gambling on foreign imports who we have no idea whether they will take to the PL. - Team has no natural leaders. - Fans fed up with Ashley and co continually bullshitting all and sundry. I'm not a negative supporter and neither am I hysterical but I genuinely believe that if we start the season poorly, then we'll be in the bottom 6 all season. Yes there's clubs with worse squads than ours, but the problems behind the scenes are rearing their heads and as showed in 08/09 they can be fatal if not quickly addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Barton was never just going to get on with it, once he didn't get the contract he wanted. His claims that he would run down his contract, and wouldn't agree to a move, were cleary antagonistic. His aim is to be as much of a nuisance as possible, and damn the consequences. Very, very selfish person. He's then attempting to pass this off as him being some sort of martyr for the fans. Pitiful. You come out with some shite like mate Trying to be a martyr? Could it be that he is simply voicing his opinion? Barton doesn't strike me as the type of person that works with hidden agendas. As for all the "Barton should shut up and get on with job" comments, I'm certain he'll continue to give 100% on the pitch. What more can he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Stop this counterproductive nonsense for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Big Geordie's right about one thing- as it stands we're primed for a relegation battle: - Limited up front with only one prove striker. - Bare bones in defence, likely to be further reduced by Enrique departure. - More than a few suggestions that the dressing room is unhappy. - Heart of the dressing room has been sold. - Pardew on thin ice with fans after a summer of frustration in terms of incoming players. - Gambling on foreign imports who we have no idea whether they will take to the PL. - Team has no natural leaders. - Fans fed up with Ashley and co continually bullshitting all and sundry. I'm not a negative supporter and neither am I hysterical but I genuinely believe that if we start the season poorly, then we'll be in the bottom 6 all season. Yes there's clubs with worse squads than ours, but the problems behind the scenes are rearing their heads and as showed in 08/09 they can be fatal if not quickly addressed. Agree with this and when we were relegated last time, it wasn't because of the lack of talent in the squad but because of what was going on behind the scenes and poor morale and a lack of leadership within the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Why do you want to use a verbal agreement to vilify Ashley when it comes to not handing out daft contracts to fatcat players, then slate the same regime for doing the same earlier on a technicality? Where are you coming from? I didn't slate them for handing out contracts to fatcat players. Care to point out where I did that? Right here: Barton was signed under Ashley in as much as he had to agree to the transfer. That's me slating them is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Yup, the shocking managerial situation in 08/09 absolutely crippled the players confidence. We went down with a squad that if properly motivated and managed could have probably squeezed a top half finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Big Geordie's right about one thing- as it stands we're primed for a relegation battle: - Limited up front with only one prove striker. - Bare bones in defence, likely to be further reduced by Enrique departure. - More than a few suggestions that the dressing room is unhappy. - Heart of the dressing room has been sold. - Pardew on thin ice with fans after a summer of frustration in terms of incoming players. - Gambling on foreign imports who we have no idea whether they will take to the PL. - Team has no natural leaders. - Fans fed up with Ashley and co continually bullshitting all and sundry. I'm not a negative supporter and neither am I hysterical but I genuinely believe that if we start the season poorly, then we'll be in the bottom 6 all season. Yes there's clubs with worse squads than ours, but the problems behind the scenes are rearing their heads and as showed in 08/09 they can be fatal if not quickly addressed. No offence to you personally Otter, but these kinds of posts are really annoying. All the negative aspects of the situation blown out of proportion and the positives not mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Joey's tweets - admittedly I do like some of them when they're not related to NUFC's internal matters, but it does come to a point when you can't keep tweeting the stuff he's been saying. The club should introduce some sort of "Twitter usage guidelines" or simply ban it imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Christ help us if we go down again because fans will desert the club en masse. I know that has been said before, but many have already rapped in and I suspect plenty others are on the brink. It's support that the club may never claim back in the future, even under a new regime. Regardless of everything else, if this is the case - fuck them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Barton was never just going to get on with it, once he didn't get the contract he wanted. His claims that he would run down his contract, and wouldn't agree to a move, were cleary antagonistic. His aim is to be as much of a nuisance as possible, and damn the consequences. Very, very selfish person. He's then attempting to pass this off as him being some sort of martyr for the fans. Pitiful. You come out with some s**** like mate Trying to be a martyr? Could it be that he is simply voicing his opinion? Barton doesn't strike me as the type of person that works with hidden agendas. As for all the "Barton should shut up and get on with job" comments, I'm certain he'll continue to give 100% on the pitch. What more can he do? If you were Erdinc thinking about signing on, then hearing Barton and Enrique mouthing off, you'd think twice about what would appear to be an unhappy ship. They've both been well enough paid since they arrived. They both could have done a lot more to prevent us getting relegated. Just shut up and get on with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 To be fair, I think I've been pretty honest. I don't think any of my points have been blown out of proportion. Of course there are plus points such as a handful of genuine quality players but it would be foolhardy not to be concerned at how this summer has panned out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Wallace/Otter - which makes you think Ashley would have learned from his mistakes by now. Clearly not, it would seem. For me, a loss to the mackems (which I think will happen) and the heat will be on Pardew straight away. The man is clearly a more media-savvy version of Joe Kinnear for the regime and surely if we realize he is nothing more than a patsy, then the folk involved in football will realize it too. Certainly won't be doing his reputation in the game any good at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Personally fail to see what negative effect his tweets can have on the club tbh. All the players currently here will no doubt be aware of Joey's feelings already. Any potential signings will hinge on whether we offer players the right wages, some lad's twitter comments won't have any bearing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Stop this counterproductive nonsense for a start. Exactly, if he is this down to earth lad that doesn't care about the wages and footballers lifestyle and only cares about the fans and ambition of the club why is he bothered about a fine which would mean his monthly wage would be reduced to a pitiful £100,000? If he wasn't fussed and was only trying to do what was best he wouldn't just post half comments like he has today or he would hand in a transfer request. Let's not forget we had to pay his loyalty bonus to get him to come here despite having a minimum release clause. I like Joey but his 'man of the people, not like other footballers' act is becoming very clear to be just that, an act. Now I do believe he isn't quite as bad as most of them but he definitely overplays the 'one of us' footballer thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Personally fail to see what negative effect his tweets can have on the club tbh. All the players currently here will no doubt be aware of Joey's feelings already. Any potential signings will hinge on whether we offer players the right wages, some lad's twitter comments won't have any bearing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 There probably won't be any new signings so I don't think we need to worry about any potential new players being put off by this to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Stop this counterproductive nonsense for a start. Exactly, if he is this down to earth lad that doesn't care about the wages and footballers lifestyle and only cares about the fans and ambition of the club why is he bothered about a fine which would mean his monthly wage would be reduced to a pitiful £100,000? If he wasn't fussed and was only trying to do what was best he wouldn't just post half comments like he has today or he would hand in a transfer request. Let's not forget we had to pay his loyalty bonus to get him to come here despite having a minimum release clause. I like Joey but his 'man of the people, not like other footballers' act is becoming very clear to be just that, an act. Now I do believe he isn't quite as bad as most of them but he definitely overplays the 'one of us' footballer thing. Agreed. Like I've said many times recently, I do not believe anything that comes out of a footballers mouth and anything that does is only usually for the purposes of their ego or wallet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 a loss to the mackems (which I think will happen) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Why do you want to use a verbal agreement to vilify Ashley when it comes to not handing out daft contracts to fatcat players, then slate the same regime for doing the same earlier on a technicality? Where are you coming from? I didn't slate them for handing out contracts to fatcat players. Care to point out where I did that? Right here: Barton was signed under Ashley in as much as he had to agree to the transfer. That's me slating them is it? So what is your point then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Why do you want to use a verbal agreement to vilify Ashley when it comes to not handing out daft contracts to fatcat players, then slate the same regime for doing the same earlier on a technicality? Where are you coming from? I didn't slate them for handing out contracts to fatcat players. Care to point out where I did that? Right here: Barton was signed under Ashley in as much as he had to agree to the transfer. That's me slating them is it? So what is your point then? Barton was signed under Ashley but Shepherd was still Chairman FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 So what is your point then? My point is that Barton wasn't a Shepherd signing, I thought that was obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Whether you agree or not with what Barton has said tonight, it kind of cements what we already knew in terms of how the club is being operated and that there are problems behind the scenes (in the dressing room) I'm now very worried about next season and believe that at present, we are already facing another relegation battle. If Routledge signs for Swansea that means Ashley will have raked in nigh on £50million in transfer fees (incomings and outgoings) during his tenure and that is simply mind-boggling for a PL club to be ran in such a way. Perhaps this cash surplus is being kept to one side in case we go down? Been chatting to an old mate of my dad's, tonight and this coming season will be the first he has missed in nearly 40 years. He refuses to set foot again in St James until Ashley and Llambias are gone. He won't be alone in doing that I'm sure. Except Ashley hasn't "raked in" anything, he's been subsidising out losses out of his own pocket. Losses due to his own stupidity which he now seems intent on making the club pay for. Christ help us if we go down again because fans will desert the club en masse. I know that has been said before, but many have already rapped in and I suspect plenty others are on the brink. It's support that the club may never claim back in the future, even under a new regime. Remember reading somewhere (perhaps on this board) that Ashley has always been very adept at making others pay for his own mistakes. I also know of people who have been going to games for 30-40 years who have now had enough. I think many will continue to drift away whilst Ashley remains as they continue to alienate too many supporters and they either have no idea or little care about trying to win them back other than making false promises. I love NUFC but I don't think we are a very likeable club. It may suit Ashley to run the club the way he does but all he is managing to do is to continue to damage it and who knows whether he actually realises this or if he just doesn't care. If he is here for any length of time, I think the damage could be irretrievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 We could have a thread on what will happen but never did. When we got relegated, we would struggle to get promotion or we might even go down again. When we got promoted we would go straight down. Nolan won't be able to keep it up in the Premiership. None of our players will score more than 10 goals in the premiership. We would lose against the Mackems part 1. Hughton gets sacked, well bye bye Ben Arfa. Carroll gets sold, well that's us relegated. We will lose against the Mackems part 2. Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd will stuff us. Now Morale has been down since Pardew took over. We will struggle to stay up. We won't replace the goals that have left. We will lose to the Mackems part 3. etc, etc... I know this will be countered with something or other just to keep up the negative stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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