Joey Barton (now retired)

[JH]

I'd rather have Joey Barton rolling around on the floor exaggerating the slap then have him still on his feet facing up to Gervinho.

[Novocastrian]

I'd rather have Joey Barton rolling around on the floor exaggerating the slap then have him still on his feet facing up to Gervinho.

 

That's brilliant, but later on in the season it will be someone like Nani 'exaggerating' and getting Barton or Tiote sent off.

 

Read my lips: It's ruining the game.

[Doctor Zaius]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

[Nobody]

Barton "helped" the ref make the right decision by exaggerating. Gervinho tried to make the ref make the wrong decision by diving, completely different.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'd rather have Joey Barton rolling around on the floor exaggerating the slap then have him still on his feet facing up to Gervinho.

 

That's brilliant, but later on in the season it will be someone like Nani 'exaggerating' and getting Barton or Tiote sent off.

 

Read my lips: It's ruining the game.

If Nani drops to the deck theatrically after been slapped by Barton then fair enough. I seriously cannot see how this is "ruining the game" like

[Doctor Zaius]

Barton "helped" the ref make the right decision by exaggerating. Gervinho tried to make the ref make the wrong decision by diving, completely different.

 

It was a fair bit more than exaggerating tbf.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

I'd rather have Joey Barton rolling around on the floor exaggerating the slap then have him still on his feet facing up to Gervinho.

 

That's brilliant, but later on in the season it will be someone like Nani 'exaggerating' and getting Barton or Tiote sent off.

 

If Barton or Tiote even so much as stroke Nani's face later in the season, they will deserve to be sent off.

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

Theres a massive differance betwean 'conning' the ref into giving you an underserved penalty by diving under minimal contact, and 'conning' The ref into deservedly sending off a player for slapping someone, like. Both are unsporting, but only one is cheating (ie gaining a unfair advantage)..

[Cronky]

I think there's a difference between going down when you're fouled so that the ref notices it, and pretending you're hurt in order to get an opponent sent off. Perhaps it's only a question of degree, but it's still there.

 

Joey should also not have grabbed hold of Gervinho and tried to haul him up. Most players would have reacted to being manhandled like that.

 

Milking the attention afterwards is the icing on the cake. I really don't want this bloke at our club any more.

 

Whether it was enough to knock the man down, or whether it was enough to even hurt wor Joey... Gervinho raised his hand to his face and that is a red card. Absolutely stone-wall, plain and simple. You just cannot do that in football and it's pretty much the only 'red card offense' in the game that cannot be argued.

 

If Joey hadn't gone down, Gervinho might've got away with it, and then it's an injustice. Aye, maybe he was a touch out of line by pulling him up previously, and you say it was bound to gauge a reaction... but it shouldn't have provoked a slap. That's just bang out of line. Especially when it was sheer gamesmanship from Gervinho in the first place.

 

It's ridiculous the extent people will go to have a go at the guy. Honestly... are we even forgetting the actual fundamentals of it? The very act could've secured the fucking point itself!

 

Jesus. It's wound me up, this whole thing. One of our players provides the team with a great advantage, without breaking any real laws of the game - and he gets slandered with shite like "i wish he wasn't at our club."

 

I wish we had more like him.

 

By the letter of the law, the ref was right. If you hit an opponent, it's a red. If you grab hold of an opponent, generally it's a yellow.

 

There's something that really jars with me about Joey's behaviour though. He was full of moral outrage when he grabbed hold of Gervinho and hauled him to his feet, then he indulged in equally questionable behaviour himself. He often seems to demand much better behaviour from other people, than he demands from himself.

[Anderson]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

 

If he's helping the ref come to the correct decision I've absolutely no problem with it, in fact I'd probably encourage it. It's only if he was trying to con the ref into making the wrong decision that I'd take exception.

[TRC]

Anyone got a transcript of the interview?

[Yorkie]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

 

If he's helping the ref come to the correct decision I've absolutely no problem with it, in fact I'd probably encourage it. It's only if he was trying to con the ref into making the wrong decision that I'd take exception.

 

Couldn't have put it better, i agree entirely.

 

 

Zaius, if Barton's helping the ref come to the correct decision - how the hell is he 'conning' him? Dunno what planet you're on.

 

Novocastrian, 'ruining the game' ffs. Players getting away with raising their hands to others' faces is more likely to bring the game into disrepute, like.

[JH]

I'd rather have Joey Barton rolling around on the floor exaggerating the slap then have him still on his feet facing up to Gervinho.

 

That's brilliant, but later on in the season it will be someone like Nani 'exaggerating' and getting Barton or Tiote sent off.

 

Read my lips: It's ruining the game.

 

Joey Barton nutting Gervinho would be 'ruining the game' more. That's my point.

[Sifu]

@Joey7Barton Joseph Barton

Its 00.12hrs and I've decided am not going to call out anymore journalists on twitter, theres no point as they all cry and moan when u question there credentials. Shame really, I was enjoying debating with most of u. Remember,"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever."

 

 

Good idea.

[Yorkie]

Don't believe him.

[madras]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

 

If he's helping the ref come to the correct decision I've absolutely no problem with it, in fact I'd probably encourage it. It's only if he was trying to con the ref into making the wrong decision that I'd take exception.

 

Couldn't have put it better, i agree entirely.

 

 

Zaius, if Barton's helping the ref come to the correct decision - how the hell is he 'conning' him? Dunno what planet you're on.

 

Novocastrian, 'ruining the game' ffs. Players getting away with raising their hands to others' faces is more likely to bring the game into disrepute, like.

having watched it again, does that mean you think it was ok for gervinho to dive (and i'm still not too sure it was) as there was contact and he would just have been helping the ref etc.

[Hanshithispantz]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

[madras]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

players dive when there has been contact, like barton dived when the contact wasn't enough to send him over like he did.

[Guest Rey Mysterio]

Still not cheating, there was conact, he reacted. Not cheating.

 

If there was no contact and he dropped like he'd been hit with a bat, the yeah, that would be cheating.

 

It is cheating like. It's exactly like feigning and injury or taking a dive. Just because there was contact, it doesnt mean Barton throwing himself to the ground isnt cheating. By your logic, if a player goes down after minimal contact, it's not taking a dive, it's not simulation.

 

I think the difference is Gervinho cheated by purposely trying to get a penalty when he didn't deserve one. Barton on the other hand over exaggerated the situation to ensure that Gervinho got the red card he did deserve.

 

Undeniably. Conning the ref has got absolutely f*** all to do with it - it's just so far away from the point it's untrue. Gervinho's actions, a million per cent, deserved a red card, whether Joey goes down or not.

 

It brings up another question, too. If the ref had seen that it wasn't a foul (demonstrated by the play-on) - why wasn't the guy reprimanded for diving? All in all, it would have been a crazy injustice had Gervinho finished the match. Barton just made sure of it; well played lad.

 

Conning the ref has everything to do with it. If Barton hadnt threw himself to the floor would Gervinho have been sent off? Debatable. Yes, Gervinho raised his hand, yes he deserved to go, but for me you cant deny Barton helped the ref make up his mind.

 

I do Like Barton. He's a good player and integral part of the team for me. Think he gets too much stick for his comments at times but he cheated like, without a doubt.

 

If he's helping the ref come to the correct decision I've absolutely no problem with it, in fact I'd probably encourage it. It's only if he was trying to con the ref into making the wrong decision that I'd take exception.

 

Couldn't have put it better, i agree entirely.

 

 

Zaius, if Barton's helping the ref come to the correct decision - how the hell is he 'conning' him? Dunno what planet you're on.

 

Novocastrian, 'ruining the game' ffs. Players getting away with raising their hands to others' faces is more likely to bring the game into disrepute, like.

having watched it again, does that mean you think it was ok for gervinho to dive (and i'm still not too sure it was) as there was contact and he would just have been helping the ref etc.

 

  Barton was just as bad as Gervinho.

[Hanshithispantz]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

players dive when there has been contact, like barton dived when the contact wasn't enough to send him over like he did.

If a challenge isn't enough to actualy impede you then it's not a foul, so diving to the floor after slight contact is conning the ref into thinking you have been impeded.

 

Striking a player in the face, regardless of how hard, is a sending off offence.

[Hanshithispantz]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

players dive when there has been contact, like barton dived when the contact wasn't enough to send him over like he did.

If a challenge isn't enough to actualy impede you then it's not a foul, so diving to the floor after slight contact is conning the ref into thinking you have been impeded.

Basically, as far as i'm aware (and I may be wrong here), football is a contact sport.

[Kasper]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

 

How is it unfair if there was contact (which I think there was and Barton said the same), you could argue that he just helped the referee see it and tried to gain an advantage to his team...like Joey. Then its up to the referee to decide if the contact was enough to warrant a penalty....

 

Could someone describe the requirements for an unfair and fair dive please?

 

 

ps. I personally thought it was a sure penalty when it happened

[madras]

How would Gervinho diving to unfairly win a penalty be "helping the referee make the right decision"?

 

For the record I think Gervinho's dive has been a bit overplayed, he made the most of it like but i've seen much worse. Barton has admited as much since too.

players dive when there has been contact, like barton dived when the contact wasn't enough to send him over like he did.

If a challenge isn't enough to actualy impede you then it's not a foul, so diving to the floor after slight contact is conning the ref into thinking you have been impeded.

 

Striking a player in the face, regardless of how hard, is a sending off offence.

obviously the player thought he was impeded enough to not go through on goal so made the most of it....as did joey. also i'm sat here watching it over and over and it's looking more like a penalty everytime i watch it.

[Hanshithispantz]

Come on man, if the contact isn't suficient enough to impede you then it isn't a foul. There isn't such thing as a "fair dive", but there is a huge differance betwean exagerating a situation and just plain diving to the ground to bring to referee into making the wrong decision.

 

If a player is actualy triped and theatrically hurls his arms about and roles about the floor like he's been shot, that could be deemed as "helping the referee make the right decision".

 

Imo Gervinho would not have been impeded/floored had he not purposefully thrown himself to the ground.

[Cajun]

Gervinho started going down around the same time we looked like signing him. The foot was out but he made the most of it the same way Brambles brother made the most of "well she doesn't come back to the hotel unless she wants me shagging her while she's asleep".

 

I was surprised Barton did what he did, however all he did was make sure the ref made the right decision.