Guest Heneage Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Wraith is a chronic bellend. He's the players puppet with his 'Wey av had a text from Andy' like it's gospel. What are they even going to say at the talk in we don't already know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Oh I'm not but I do believe even if Jose was after a lot more money he was still ambitious which played a part in his move (he wouldn't have moved to QPR or West Ham no matter what basically). The long and short of it is there are a lot of people in the wrong over this (not just the easy target, the board) and the only ones really losing out are us, the fans (and slightly the board who could have got more money for all but it's their mistakes that let it get to this point so tough shit). Still no excuse for going in to a season with a weak squad despite having the money to remedy that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Wraith is a chronic bellend. He's the players puppet with his 'Wey av had a text from Andy' like it's gospel. What are they even going to say at the talk in we don't already know? Whether you agree or disagree with the transfer policy, what good does something like that do? Have a talk in with the likes of Cabaye or something, focus on the future not the players that have left the club. He's far too pally with the players to view things with a bit of context. stevewraith steve wraith You pay peanuts you get monkeys #nufc Fucking cringe. Quoting what Barton said, pathetic suck-up. Then he contradicts himself by saying he thinks Tioté will be next. So you rate him then, Steve? Did he not cost 'peanuts'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 My personal belief is under Hughton the likes of Nolan and Barton had pretty much free reign, Ashley rightly or wrongly (probably a bit of both) didn't like this and replaced Hughton brining in a manager who wouldn't go along with this. The players in the 'clique' didn't like this one bit, then when they weren't offered the big contracts they demanded used the obvious ill feeling the fans have towards the board (Barton being the biggest offender) to cause unrest and get moves away for cheap enough to allow these demands to be fulfilled by other clubs. Enrique, although I think led us along quite a bit at least left for genuine ambitious reasons. Now I am not absolving the board of any blame, all 3 players should have either stayed or not been allowed to leave for the pittance we got however I think the players have lied just as much, if not more than the board and have used the animosity mentioned above to sway the fans. *tin hat* They may have been strong characters that stood up to the hierarchy but I would be amazed if the same story doesn't happen next year when Colo and Jonas are into the final year of their contracts and they turn down new offers. And others move on for better wages and to more ambitious clubs. Their leaving will probably be less acrimonious because they are not likely to rock the boat. We have to expect that as soon as we have a decent player on our hands, that they will move on fairly quickly once they get a better offer that this club are not prepared to match. At the moment, we should have enough about us (providing we find someone who can score goals) to survive the the recent exodus but I don't think that will continue to be the case if the same scenario is repeated every year. The problem is we are not a top 4 club, and only the top 4 can pay big wages within a long term structure. The rest can pay it for a while, like Villa tried to, but if you don't break into the top 4 you are then in over your head and the cost cutting will be hard. It's a tough pill to swallow but we are coming back from a long way down and at this stage there's not a lot we can do to stop our players being cherry picked except get the best prices we can and try and replace them well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Someone asked how Barton never replies when he tweets him all of the time. "Ask him mate. I've got his mobile number so don't need to" was the c***'s reply ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 can we never ever mention Wraith again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 can we never ever mention Wraith again He apparently reads this board. So aslong as it's him being slated then fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Wraith is a chronic bellend. He's the players puppet with his 'Wey av had a text from Andy' like it's gospel. What are they even going to say at the talk in we don't already know? Whether you agree or disagree with the transfer policy, what good does something like that do? Have a talk in with the likes of Cabaye or something, focus on the future not the players that have left the club. He's far too pally with the players to view things with a bit of context. stevewraith steve wraith You pay peanuts you get monkeys #nufc f***ing cringe. Quoting what Barton said, pathetic suck-up. Then he contradicts himself by saying he thinks Tioté will be next. So you rate him then, Steve? Did he not cost 'peanuts'? Some fan has just hit the nail on the head calling him a wannabe celebrity fan. He talks about those departed having balls and character yet ignores they took us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Remember him bragging about getting loads of texts from carroll and that he was goung to type a transcript up. Fucking cock end. He's like a loudmouthed kid banging on about getting his big brother to fill people in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Question, with such a frugal board, what justification do they have for letting him leave on a free? Seems a childish temperamental move, much like the sort of action they find unacceptable with Joey... They are childish and c***s Maybe more went on with Joey that we dont know about, their attitude was definitely just get him out of the club, more to it than meets the eye i would think. Just saying, not sticking up for them as you say they are a pair of cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 My personal belief is under Hughton the likes of Nolan and Barton had pretty much free reign, Ashley rightly or wrongly (probably a bit of both) didn't like this and replaced Hughton brining in a manager who wouldn't go along with this. The players in the 'clique' didn't like this one bit, then when they weren't offered the big contracts they demanded used the obvious ill feeling the fans have towards the board (Barton being the biggest offender) to cause unrest and get moves away for cheap enough to allow these demands to be fulfilled by other clubs. Enrique, although I think led us along quite a bit at least left for genuine ambitious reasons. Now I am not absolving the board of any blame, all 3 players should have either stayed or not been allowed to leave for the pittance we got however I think the players have lied just as much, if not more than the board and have used the animosity mentioned above to sway the fans. *tin hat* They may have been strong characters that stood up to the hierarchy but I would be amazed if the same story doesn't happen next year when Colo and Jonas are into the final year of their contracts and they turn down new offers. And others move on for better wages and to more ambitious clubs. Their leaving will probably be less acrimonious because they are not likely to rock the boat. We have to expect that as soon as we have a decent player on our hands, that they will move on fairly quickly once they get a better offer that this club are not prepared to match. At the moment, we should have enough about us (providing we find someone who can score goals) to survive the the recent exodus but I don't think that will continue to be the case if the same scenario is repeated every year. The problem is we are not a top 4 club, and only the top 4 can pay big wages within a long term structure. The rest can pay it for a while, like Villa tried to, but if you don't break into the top 4 you are then in over your head and the cost cutting will be hard. It's a tough pill to swallow but we are coming back from a long way down and at this stage there's not a lot we can do to stop our players being cherry picked except get the best prices we can and try and replace them well. I agree but we should not then be turning on the players and accusing them of greed because they consider themselves to have moved on to better things - whether that is because of ambition, salary or a better-run club. Also, most of our players always seem to want to leave on good terms with the fans for which they are also slated by many but then you gets the likes of Nasri laying into the Arsenal fans once he has moved to a new club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 He's making out that Barton and Nolan are Champions League level players. Fucking hell, I'm disappointed Barton has gone but have a bit of perspective. For all their 'balls and character' it's not like a midfield containing them two was heading towards the Champions League any time soon. Such a brownnose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I think we should spread a rumour that his 'Paying peanuts gets you monkeys' jibe is a racial slur towards Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 He's an actor though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I mean, I'd rather be building on what we have than ripping them out and gambling on replacements...but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 can we never ever mention Wraith again He apparently reads this board. So aslong as it's him being slated then fantastic. Does he ? wow, ok then. Steve your a monumental cunt, shut the fuck up you chronic bollock headed cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Enrique is a Champions League player, Tioté is a CL player, Coloccini is a CL player, Carroll probably is. Nolan and Barton aren't, and that's reflected in their subsequent destinations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Never understood why people get off on knowing someone who is famous, and go on about it like it's some sort of an achievement. Nothing makes you a bigger loser than that. One of the most unfortunate ways to be. Make something of yourself, or at least focus on trying to. Jesus ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 It is easy to replace Nolan and Barton, maybe Carroll and Enrique as well... "on paper" but it isn't easy to replace their effectiveness. Cabaye, Marveaux and Obertan have a lot to deliver. We are playing with fire by kicking out players that are or at least were working. These are the kind of players you build around not over write. Pardew has a hell of a job to do, he has to get this right from scratch, that is a big ask. We've been average to poor in pre-season and the first 3 games. We don't have anything about us, our attacking is pretty poor and we're little other than a set piece team. Ah. We really need a good solid home win on Sunday, just put my mind at rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 My personal belief is under Hughton the likes of Nolan and Barton had pretty much free reign, Ashley rightly or wrongly (probably a bit of both) didn't like this and replaced Hughton brining in a manager who wouldn't go along with this. The players in the 'clique' didn't like this one bit, then when they weren't offered the big contracts they demanded used the obvious ill feeling the fans have towards the board (Barton being the biggest offender) to cause unrest and get moves away for cheap enough to allow these demands to be fulfilled by other clubs. Enrique, although I think led us along quite a bit at least left for genuine ambitious reasons. Now I am not absolving the board of any blame, all 3 players should have either stayed or not been allowed to leave for the pittance we got however I think the players have lied just as much, if not more than the board and have used the animosity mentioned above to sway the fans. *tin hat* They may have been strong characters that stood up to the hierarchy but I would be amazed if the same story doesn't happen next year when Colo and Jonas are into the final year of their contracts and they turn down new offers. And others move on for better wages and to more ambitious clubs. Their leaving will probably be less acrimonious because they are not likely to rock the boat. We have to expect that as soon as we have a decent player on our hands, that they will move on fairly quickly once they get a better offer that this club are not prepared to match. At the moment, we should have enough about us (providing we find someone who can score goals) to survive the the recent exodus but I don't think that will continue to be the case if the same scenario is repeated every year. The problem is we are not a top 4 club, and only the top 4 can pay big wages within a long term structure. The rest can pay it for a while, like Villa tried to, but if you don't break into the top 4 you are then in over your head and the cost cutting will be hard. It's a tough pill to swallow but we are coming back from a long way down and at this stage there's not a lot we can do to stop our players being cherry picked except get the best prices we can and try and replace them well. I agree but we should not then be turning on the players and accusing them of greed because they consider themselves to have moved on to better things - whether that is because of ambition, salary or a better-run club. Also, most of our players always seem to want to leave on good terms with the fans for which they are also slated by many but then you gets the likes of Nasri laying into the Arsenal fans once he has moved to a new club. I don't think fans turn on players who have genuinely left the club for better prospects. Since we came back up only two players fall into that category, Carroll and Enrique. It took £35m to prise Carroll away and Enrique was offered a fantastic deal to stay but still left. At the end of the day though, they are wearing Liverpool shirts now and they are there because a manager who has links with our club is hovering like a vulture because of those ties with our club. As for Nolan and Barton I have little but contempt for both as they tried to use their clout with the genuine talents to inflate their own value. Look where they are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 It is easy to replace Nolan and Barton, maybe Carroll and Enrique as well... "on paper" but it isn't easy to replace their effectiveness. Cabaye, Marveaux and Obertan have a lot to deliver. We are playing with fire by kicking out players that are or at least were working. These are the kind of players you build around not over write. Completely agree with the bit in bold, mate. We shouldn't need to be taking the risks we are at all. But Wraith is inflating these players ability levels because he is best pals with them and essentially convincing himself that it is impossible to find better players. Despite our relative success at doing so over the last 2 years. That's what is pissing me off. He seems more concerned about his 'mates' and this is blinding any kind of perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I've always hated Wraith. Anyone who thinks they can speak on behalf of such a huge amount of people is an egotistical bell end, and that's how he presents himself when he's on SSN or whatever. By contrast, someone like Mark Jensen has always given people a platform above all else, generally makes sure to stress that he's only expressing his own opinion if interviewed by the press, and is just a canny bloke at the end of the day. Just shows people have different reasons for getting involved in fanzines etc. Wraith's is borne out of self-interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I've always hated Wraith. Anyone who thinks they can speak on behalf of such a huge amount of people is an egotistical bell end, and that's how he presents himself when he's on SSN or whatever. By contrast, someone like Mark Jensen has always given people a platform above all else, generally makes sure to stress that he's only expressing his own opinion if interviewed by the press, and is just a canny bloke at the end of the day. Just shows people have different reasons for getting involved in fanzines etc. Wraith's is borne out of self-interest. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 It is easy to replace Nolan and Barton, maybe Carroll and Enrique as well... "on paper" but it isn't easy to replace their effectiveness. Cabaye, Marveaux and Obertan have a lot to deliver. We are playing with fire by kicking out players that are or at least were working. These are the kind of players you build around not over write. Pardew has a hell of a job to do, he has to get this right from scratch, that is a big ask. We've been average to poor in pre-season and the first 3 games. We don't have anything about us, our attacking is pretty poor and we're little other than a set piece team. Ah. We really need a good solid home win on Sunday, just put my mind at rest. Pardew needs a left back and a striker there's no question about that. But if we've performed badly then a lot of it has been down to his long ball tactics which don't fit the players we have brought into the club. So far results have been good so we can say the ends justify them means. The jury is still out for me on Pardew though, I'll be interested to see if he makes the required changes necessary once we've got a proper left back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 can we never ever mention Wraith again He apparently reads this board. So aslong as it's him being slated then fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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