Joey Barton (now retired)

[quayside]

This whole defence of Barton based on him being on some sort of "becoming a better person" mission doesn't wash with me. I have always thought he was a good footballer, and some of the twitter stiff was at first quite funny.  But as a character, if you look at his track record, the very best you could say about him is that he's an attention seeeking, psychotic egomaniac. He had his ego bruised here and can't stand it.

 

As for Llambias every time he makes some public pronouncement it seems to me to be oozing with cynicism and venom. I can't believe that isn't a true reflection of his character. I think he and Barton are both pretty reprehensible tbh although at least Barton is good at his job.

 

What and who is defending Barton of anything based on him being a better person? This place is like a mental institution at times.

 

I'm guessing this is your interpretation of what I wrote?

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

He's intelligent, articulate and worth listening to when interviewed, doesn't strike me as a liar, he knows his faults and he's actively trying to make himself a better person, Llambias on the other hand is a disgusting human being and is despised to a man by everyone at SJP from what I hear.

 

 

So that's was, in part, what I was referring to - yes.

 

So what am I excusing Barton for or defending him on based on him being a better person like? He also has a stupid hair cut, might as well base my defence around that.

 

It would make more sense if you did.

 

It would make as much sense as your claim that he's being defended based on becoming a better person.

 

Are you going to tell me what I'm defending him on based on him being a better person? Or point anyone else that is? I'm glad you can bold irony for the cheerleader and his mate anyway.

 

I would have thought it was fairly obvious from what you said that you were using your belief that he is trying to make himself a better person as a defence. And I don't buy the argument. Haven't got a clue what you are on about in the last two sentences of your post above though.

[Guest Eric]

It would have been wiser for Llambias to say nothing, but what he said was right. At this particular time, it's a disgrace that we have a former player publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

I think you're right he should he]ave said nothing but I disagree with your conclusion that he was publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

Again, he gave an interview to a QPR fanzine, he chose not to sign the bonus sheet, thus he didn't get a bonus, his choice. Based on what he says were lies, undelivered promises, he mentions principles and says its about power and control.

 

How can that compute to publicly complaining about not getting a bonus?

[wormy]

My head hurts.

[Guest Eric]

This whole defence of Barton based on him being on some sort of "becoming a better person" mission doesn't wash with me. I have always thought he was a good footballer, and some of the twitter stiff was at first quite funny.  But as a character, if you look at his track record, the very best you could say about him is that he's an attention seeeking, psychotic egomaniac. He had his ego bruised here and can't stand it.

 

As for Llambias every time he makes some public pronouncement it seems to me to be oozing with cynicism and venom. I can't believe that isn't a true reflection of his character. I think he and Barton are both pretty reprehensible tbh although at least Barton is good at his job.

 

What and who is defending Barton of anything based on him being a better person? This place is like a mental institution at times.

 

I'm guessing this is your interpretation of what I wrote?

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

He's intelligent, articulate and worth listening to when interviewed, doesn't strike me as a liar, he knows his faults and he's actively trying to make himself a better person, Llambias on the other hand is a disgusting human being and is despised to a man by everyone at SJP from what I hear.

 

 

So that's was, in part, what I was referring to - yes.

 

So what am I excusing Barton for or defending him on based on him being a better person like? He also has a stupid hair cut, might as well base my defence around that.

 

It would make more sense if you did.

 

It would make as much sense as your claim that he's being defended based on becoming a better person.

 

Are you going to tell me what I'm defending him on based on him being a better person? Or point anyone else that is? I'm glad you can bold irony for the cheerleader and his mate anyway.

 

I would have thought it was fairly obvious from what you said that you were using your belief that he is trying to make himself a better person as a defence. And I don't buy the argument. Haven't got a clue what you are on about in the last two sentences of your post above though.

 

So nobody is defending anybody on anything based on him becoming a better person, glad we've managed to clear up another myth, dear god, surely the first thing you make sure you can do before engaging in debate is read and write to a decent standard.

[quayside]

This whole defence of Barton based on him being on some sort of "becoming a better person" mission doesn't wash with me. I have always thought he was a good footballer, and some of the twitter stiff was at first quite funny.  But as a character, if you look at his track record, the very best you could say about him is that he's an attention seeeking, psychotic egomaniac. He had his ego bruised here and can't stand it.

 

As for Llambias every time he makes some public pronouncement it seems to me to be oozing with cynicism and venom. I can't believe that isn't a true reflection of his character. I think he and Barton are both pretty reprehensible tbh although at least Barton is good at his job.

 

What and who is defending Barton of anything based on him being a better person? This place is like a mental institution at times.

 

I'm guessing this is your interpretation of what I wrote?

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

He's intelligent, articulate and worth listening to when interviewed, doesn't strike me as a liar, he knows his faults and he's actively trying to make himself a better person, Llambias on the other hand is a disgusting human being and is despised to a man by everyone at SJP from what I hear.

 

 

So that's was, in part, what I was referring to - yes.

 

So what am I excusing Barton for or defending him on based on him being a better person like? He also has a stupid hair cut, might as well base my defence around that.

 

It would make more sense if you did.

 

It would make as much sense as your claim that he's being defended based on becoming a better person.

 

Are you going to tell me what I'm defending him on based on him being a better person? Or point anyone else that is? I'm glad you can bold irony for the cheerleader and his mate anyway.

 

I would have thought it was fairly obvious from what you said that you were using your belief that he is trying to make himself a better person as a defence. And I don't buy the argument. Haven't got a clue what you are on about in the last two sentences of your post above though.

 

So nobody is defending anybody on anything based on him becoming a better person, glad we've managed to clear up another myth, dear god, surely the first thing you make sure you can do before engaging in debate is read and write to a decent standard.

 

And so the theme of irony makes a massive return to the thread.

[Guest Eric]

This whole defence of Barton based on him being on some sort of "becoming a better person" mission doesn't wash with me. I have always thought he was a good footballer, and some of the twitter stiff was at first quite funny.  But as a character, if you look at his track record, the very best you could say about him is that he's an attention seeeking, psychotic egomaniac. He had his ego bruised here and can't stand it.

 

As for Llambias every time he makes some public pronouncement it seems to me to be oozing with cynicism and venom. I can't believe that isn't a true reflection of his character. I think he and Barton are both pretty reprehensible tbh although at least Barton is good at his job.

 

What and who is defending Barton of anything based on him being a better person? This place is like a mental institution at times.

 

I'm guessing this is your interpretation of what I wrote?

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

He's intelligent, articulate and worth listening to when interviewed, doesn't strike me as a liar, he knows his faults and he's actively trying to make himself a better person, Llambias on the other hand is a disgusting human being and is despised to a man by everyone at SJP from what I hear.

 

 

So that's was, in part, what I was referring to - yes.

 

So what am I excusing Barton for or defending him on based on him being a better person like? He also has a stupid hair cut, might as well base my defence around that.

 

It would make more sense if you did.

 

It would make as much sense as your claim that he's being defended based on becoming a better person.

 

Are you going to tell me what I'm defending him on based on him being a better person? Or point anyone else that is? I'm glad you can bold irony for the cheerleader and his mate anyway.

 

I would have thought it was fairly obvious from what you said that you were using your belief that he is trying to make himself a better person as a defence. And I don't buy the argument. Haven't got a clue what you are on about in the last two sentences of your post above though.

 

So nobody is defending anybody on anything based on him becoming a better person, glad we've managed to clear up another myth, dear god, surely the first thing you make sure you can do before engaging in debate is read and write to a decent standard.

 

And so the theme of irony makes a massive return to the thread.

 

Well yes, I suppose it's the last thing people do and instead they just ignore the issue when it becomes a problem.

 

Feel free to tell me what is being defended and by whom, for being a better person if you ever find an example and I'll see if I agree with you.

[Hanshithispantz]

"I'm ironic, he's ironic, you're ironic, she's ironic, we're ironic, there ironic, everybody is ironic."

 

( found myself singing this in my head to the meow mix tune, I thought I'd share it)

[Mag-ic]

[quayside]

This whole defence of Barton based on him being on some sort of "becoming a better person" mission doesn't wash with me. I have always thought he was a good footballer, and some of the twitter stiff was at first quite funny.  But as a character, if you look at his track record, the very best you could say about him is that he's an attention seeeking, psychotic egomaniac. He had his ego bruised here and can't stand it.

 

As for Llambias every time he makes some public pronouncement it seems to me to be oozing with cynicism and venom. I can't believe that isn't a true reflection of his character. I think he and Barton are both pretty reprehensible tbh although at least Barton is good at his job.

 

What and who is defending Barton of anything based on him being a better person? This place is like a mental institution at times.

 

I'm guessing this is your interpretation of what I wrote?

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

He's intelligent, articulate and worth listening to when interviewed, doesn't strike me as a liar, he knows his faults and he's actively trying to make himself a better person, Llambias on the other hand is a disgusting human being and is despised to a man by everyone at SJP from what I hear.

 

 

So that's was, in part, what I was referring to - yes.

 

So what am I excusing Barton for or defending him on based on him being a better person like? He also has a stupid hair cut, might as well base my defence around that.

 

It would make more sense if you did.

 

It would make as much sense as your claim that he's being defended based on becoming a better person.

 

Are you going to tell me what I'm defending him on based on him being a better person? Or point anyone else that is? I'm glad you can bold irony for the cheerleader and his mate anyway.

 

I would have thought it was fairly obvious from what you said that you were using your belief that he is trying to make himself a better person as a defence. And I don't buy the argument. Haven't got a clue what you are on about in the last two sentences of your post above though.

 

So nobody is defending anybody on anything based on him becoming a better person, glad we've managed to clear up another myth, dear god, surely the first thing you make sure you can do before engaging in debate is read and write to a decent standard.

 

And so the theme of irony makes a massive return to the thread.

 

Well yes, I suppose it's the last thing people do and instead they just ignore the issue when it becomes a problem.

 

Feel free to tell me what is being defended and by whom, for being a better person if you ever find an example and I'll see if I agree with you.

 

I already have and can't be arsed to do so again. The irony of you, who can't even understand your own posts, handing out a lecture on being able to read and write to a decent standard is clearly lost on you.

 

[quayside]

 

Please

[Hanshithispantz]

 

Please

Or you could just stop commenting in it

 

(I'm not saying your opinions are wrong or anything like, but it would be a better solution to stop the debate than lock the thread)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Well this has officially moved from a discussion of a events to a discussion of people's posts about the events, which is when it's time to stop reading.

[quayside]

 

Please

Or you could just stop commenting in it

 

(I'm not saying your opinions are wrong or anything like, but it would be a better solution to stop the debate than lock the thread)

 

Ok will do, I don't think I can take much more of it anyway. 

[Guest Eric]

I already have and can't be arsed to do so again. The irony of you, who can't even understand your own posts, handing out a lecture on being able to read and write to a decent standard is clearly lost on you.

 

No you haven't, what am I defending? I posted a response to this nonsense

 

That implies that the current squad are somehow taking the p (sorry i can't post that as i'm at work) out of the fans. Sorry, but there hasn't been a newcastle side in recent memory who have "taken the p" less!

 

Am I defending Barton on something he didn't suggest, based on him being a better person? No wonder you want this locked 

[henke]

“It’s all about power and control.

 

He continued: “At Newcastle I couldn’t take to the pitch and lie to the fans and be a part of it. You are doing it for yourself, the fans and the football club but if you fundamentally despise everything that the owners stand for it is very difficult.

 

"I am a man of principles, I am a very principled individual and for me taking money off fans and taking the p*** out of them is not what I am about.”

 

If Barton had stayed how would he be lieing to the fans? How would he be taking the p out of us? He's halfway intelligent i'll give you that, he's definately articulate. He's also a self obsessed fruitcake.

[Cronky]

It would have been wiser for Llambias to say nothing, but what he said was right. At this particular time, it's a disgrace that we have a former player publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

I think you're right he should he]ave said nothing but I disagree with your conclusion that he was publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

Again, he gave an interview to a QPR fanzine, he chose not to sign the bonus sheet, thus he didn't get a bonus, his choice. Based on what he says were lies, undelivered promises, he mentions principles and says its about power and control.

 

How can that compute to publicly complaining about not getting a bonus?

 

You're splitting hairs a bit. Obviously he didn't sign the bonus offer because he didn't think it was enough. Effectively that is what he's complaining about. He's not saying that Ashley reneged on any previous offers - he's saying it wasn't enough.

 

This is a man who was earning over £2 million a year for playing football, and he's using his employer's reluctance to pay a sufficiently generous bonus on top of that, as evidence of how badly he was treated. He then introduces a sneering comparison with the employees of Sports Direct, most of whom have far less fulfilling jobs and who I daresay would probably dream of earning a fraction of his basic salary.

 

Joey is so wrapped up in his own world, and his own battles, that he seems unable to talk with any perspective on how his comments might sound to others. The fact that his comments have come out when people's attention is on more serious matters makes it even worse.

[Guest Eric]

“It’s all about power and control.

 

He continued: “At Newcastle I couldn’t take to the pitch and lie to the fans and be a part of it. You are doing it for yourself, the fans and the football club but if you fundamentally despise everything that the owners stand for it is very difficult.

 

"I am a man of principles, I am a very principled individual and for me taking money off fans and taking the p*** out of them is not what I am about.”

 

If Barton had stayed how would he be lieing to the fans? How would he be taking the p out of us? He's halfway intelligent i'll give you that, he's definately articulate. He's also a self obsessed fruitcake.

 

Because as he says, he despises the people running the club and their lies. Self obsessed? Probably? Fruit cake, I don't think so, although he clearly still has moments where he loses it (MGP punch).

[Guest Eric]

It would have been wiser for Llambias to say nothing, but what he said was right. At this particular time, it's a disgrace that we have a former player publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

I think you're right he should he]ave said nothing but I disagree with your conclusion that he was publicly complaining about not getting his bonus.

 

Again, he gave an interview to a QPR fanzine, he chose not to sign the bonus sheet, thus he didn't get a bonus, his choice. Based on what he says were lies, undelivered promises, he mentions principles and says its about power and control.

 

How can that compute to publicly complaining about not getting a bonus?

 

You're splitting hairs a bit. Obviously he didn't sign the bonus offer because he didn't think it was enough. Effectively that is what he's complaining about. He's not saying that Ashley reneged on any previous offers - he's saying it wasn't enough.

 

This is a man who was earning over £2 million a year for playing football, and he's using his employer's reluctance to pay a sufficiently generous bonus on top of that, as evidence of how badly he was treated. He then introduces a sneering comparison with the employees of Sports Direct, most of whom have far less fulfilling jobs and who I daresay would probably dream of earning a fraction of his basic salary.

 

Joey is so wrapped up in his own world, and his own battles, that he seems unable to talk with any perspective on how his comments might sound to others. The fact that his comments have come out when people's attention is on more serious matters makes it even worse.

 

Splitting hairs? Not at all, I just disagree with your statement that he was complaining publicly that he didn't get his bonus. He was conducting an interview with a QPR fanzine wasn't he? In which he answered questions put to him?

 

He is suggesting Ashley reneged on things, not the bonus specifically mind - "They promised a number of things and delivered on very few."

 

He makes many points, that the entire players committee didn't think the offer was suitable so they advised not to sign it, that there were 10 self sufficient blokes (himself included), 20 odd egos (himself included), principles, power and control, that they're not subordinates in a tacky sportshop (uncouth yes, but as a self sufficient guy with an ego probably the norm).

 

The fact his comments have been reproduced by the press at a time he has no control over are nothing to do with him.

 

So has he publicly been whinging about not getting a bonus? It's quite clear to me no, he hasn't.

 

Is Joey Barton a self absorbed individual, self sufficient, with an ego and with principles more likely to forego his bonus (as he did) to show those in the boardroom where the power and control lies. Using the words from the interview, that's how I'd read into it and as we've seen he's quite happy to cut his nose off to spite his face.

 

 

[ujpest doza]

It's no coincidence that I got sold — or rather I got given away. Andy Carroll was sold, Kevin Nolan was sold and Alan Smith has been told he's training with the reserves for the rest of his days.

Yes Joey, that's the reason Alan Smith doesn't get in the team. 

The same Alan Smith who was on the bench last week?

[ponsaelius]

Of course it is as long as you're not precious enough to think things are about you when they're not? I don't think I've even noticed you're thoughts apart from saying my opinion was shit and cheerleading on a post that was fundamentally flawed?

 

 

Good stuff, you seem to be trying to be intelligently debate this absolute nonsense of topic. I haven't even bothered to articulate my thoughts.

 

In fact, I don't even know what you're cracking on about tbh. Except that you might be a bit of a Joey B fanboy? seem to remember you were singing his praises in a similar manner a couple of months back.

[Guest ykmkmdd]

Wise words from Pards:

 

Meanwhile, Pardew refused to be drawn into the ongoing war of words involving former midfielder Joey Barton after his latest outburst prompted managing director Derek Llambias to call in lawyers.

 

The manager said: "I keep asking myself why? Why does he keep cropping up? The team is doing exceptionally well but unfortunately Joey's comments take away the positive nature of what we are doing here in terms of the players' performances, which have been absolutely brilliant.

 

"Anybody who takes that limelight away from my players, I'm not particularly keen on, if I'm honest. It is a bit frustrating, but you have got to put it into the perspective of the week we are having, and it means nothing, really."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/01/newcastle-tribute-gary-speed-chelsea?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

In Pards we trust!

[Cajun]

Wise words from Pards:

 

Meanwhile, Pardew refused to be drawn into the ongoing war of words involving former midfielder Joey Barton after his latest outburst prompted managing director Derek Llambias to call in lawyers.

 

The manager said: "I keep asking myself why? Why does he keep cropping up? The team is doing exceptionally well but unfortunately Joey's comments take away the positive nature of what we are doing here in terms of the players' performances, which have been absolutely brilliant.

 

"Anybody who takes that limelight away from my players, I'm not particularly keen on, if I'm honest. It is a bit frustrating, but you have got to put it into the perspective of the week we are having, and it means nothing, really."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/01/newcastle-tribute-gary-speed-chelsea?

 

[Tiresias]

Spot on from Pardew

[Dokko]

Wise words from Pards:

 

Meanwhile, Pardew refused to be drawn into the ongoing war of words involving former midfielder Joey Barton after his latest outburst prompted managing director Derek Llambias to call in lawyers.

 

The manager said: "I keep asking myself why? Why does he keep cropping up? The team is doing exceptionally well but unfortunately Joey's comments take away the positive nature of what we are doing here in terms of the players' performances, which have been absolutely brilliant.

 

"Anybody who takes that limelight away from my players, I'm not particularly keen on, if I'm honest. It is a bit frustrating, but you have got to put it into the perspective of the week we are having, and it means nothing, really."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/01/newcastle-tribute-gary-speed-chelsea?

 

 

That's a hiding Joey, don't get up.