durhamunigeordie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Nowhere near Smith standards for me. He's actually a half decent finisher, scored a lot of goals in the championship, cost sod all, probably gets paid sod all and seems a likeable guy. Smith is the polar opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Nowhere near Smith standards for me. He's actually a half decent finisher, scored a lot of goals in the championship, cost sod all, probably gets paid sod all and seems a likeable guy. Smith is the polar opposite. Didn't say that he was at Smith standard, just that he was starting to go the same way in terms of what he offers. The championship proved that he was a decent finished, however, of course we aren't in the championship anymore. He just isn't good enough to create those opportunities regularly in the premier league, particularly not against the top defenders. For me he is therefore a waste of a substitute. He seems a likeable guy, but then again so does Smith so it is a massive exaggeration to say that they are the polar opposite of each other. Playing devils advocate a bit here - if we are looking at the character of the player then wages are irrelevant - Smith cannot be blamed for the amount of money the club are paying him on. I accept that there are of course difference and that Lovenkrands has contributed far more to the club on the pitch than Smith. At this precise moment of time they are both burdensome, all be it that Smith is a more expensive burden. Lovenkrands is if you like the lesser of two evils. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Nowhere near Smith standards for me. He's actually a half decent finisher, scored a lot of goals in the championship, cost sod all, probably gets paid sod all and seems a likeable guy. Smith is the polar opposite. Didn't say that he was at Smith standard, just that he was starting to go the same way in terms of what he offers. The championship proved that he was a decent finished, however, of course we aren't in the championship anymore. He just isn't good enough to create those opportunities regularly in the premier league, particularly not against the top defenders. For me he is therefore a waste of a substitute. He seems a likeable guy, but then again so does Smith so it is a massive exaggeration to say that they are the polar opposite of each other. Playing devils advocate a bit here - if we are looking at the character of the player then wages are irrelevant - Smith cannot be blamed for the amount of money the club are paying him on. I accept that there are of course difference and that Lovenkrands has contributed far more to the club on the pitch than Smith. At this precise moment of time they are both burdensome, all be it that Smith is a more expensive burden. Lovenkrands is if you like the lesser of two evils. I didn't mean as a player, I meant my dislike of him as a player is nowhere near Smith standards. Worded it wrong, should have made that clearer! How is it a massive exaggeration? Smith is on massive wages, cost £6m, has had a handful of good games for us, never scored and seems like a bit of a nob. On what I have just mentioned, he is the opposite to Lovenkrands, fail to see the argument? But lets play devil's advocate for no particular reason. People are obviously going to pick up on the fee paid and wages, it's what fans do isn't it??? When you pay that kind of money and dish out some ridiculous 5 year deal, you want some returns on that. Seeing as we currently run a tight ship and have an owner that isn't keen on spending money, I think it's a valid point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Nowhere near Smith standards for me. He's actually a half decent finisher, scored a lot of goals in the championship, cost sod all, probably gets paid sod all and seems a likeable guy. Smith is the polar opposite. Didn't say that he was at Smith standard, just that he was starting to go the same way in terms of what he offers. The championship proved that he was a decent finished, however, of course we aren't in the championship anymore. He just isn't good enough to create those opportunities regularly in the premier league, particularly not against the top defenders. For me he is therefore a waste of a substitute. He seems a likeable guy, but then again so does Smith so it is a massive exaggeration to say that they are the polar opposite of each other. Playing devils advocate a bit here - if we are looking at the character of the player then wages are irrelevant - Smith cannot be blamed for the amount of money the club are paying him on. I accept that there are of course difference and that Lovenkrands has contributed far more to the club on the pitch than Smith. At this precise moment of time they are both burdensome, all be it that Smith is a more expensive burden. Lovenkrands is if you like the lesser of two evils. I didn't mean as a player, I meant my dislike of him as a player is nowhere near Smith standards. Worded it wrong, should have made that clearer! How is it a massive exaggeration? Smith is on massive wages, cost £6m, has had a handful of good games for us, never scored and seems like a bit of a nob. On what I have just mentioned, he is the opposite to Lovenkrands, fail to see the argument? But lets play devil's advocate for no particular reason. People are obviously going to pick up on the fee paid and wages, it's what fans do isn't it??? When you pay that kind of money and dish out some ridiculous 5 year deal, you want some returns on that. Seeing as we currently run a tight ship and have an owner that isn't keen on spending money, I think it's a valid point. I agree with some of what you say, but in my opinion you can't put things like 'he's on massive wages' in the same category of things as 'he seems like a nice guy'. It is not Smiths fault that he cost a lot of money, nor that he is on a lot of money - if Lovenkrands was offered the same money I'd be surprised if he turned it down. Not sure where you have got that Smith seems a bit of a nob from - if you can point me to any incidents that suggest this I will happily apologise. The only thing I can think of is that video at Man City where he takes the time to chat to our mascot and gives them his training jumper unprompted. Giving someone a bit of kit is by no means conclusive but it suggests otherwise? I said in my original post that Lovenkrands hasn't reached the same level as Smith. The fact that Smith was a so called big signing who flopped is detrimental to his cause and the fact that Lovenkrands was a freebie who scored goals in the championship can be used in his mitigation, but they are not polar opposites as either as players or, as far as I can tell, blokes. If you turned up tomorrow and either was starting almost with out exception everyone be pissed off and if either came on most would think that it was a waste of a sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Anyway not really sure why we are having this argument (admittedly instigated by me!)... I'm pretty sure that we both agree that neither of them should be in the team?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Yeah pretty much! Too much like hard work for me on a Friday so I'm happy to agree to disagree and stop killing this thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 That Vuckic lad looks half decent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Turned into a bit of a Lovenkrands rant, but I have to say my feelings towards him are turning a similar way to they have about Smith, although of course not quite to the same extreme. There is just no way the bloke should be anywhere near the team. I don't think anyone in the world would advocating him starting a game and he's just not a useful option off the bench. He's lost a yard of pace, doesn't really run with the ball nor does he hold it particularly well. He isn't useful to have coming off the bench when we need a goal, nor when we are trying to protect a league. In the Premier League, particularly against the better sides, its like having ten on the pitch - he's just anonymous. Rant over, back to work! Nowhere near Smith standards for me. He's actually a half decent finisher, scored a lot of goals in the championship, cost sod all, probably gets paid sod all and seems a likeable guy. Smith is the polar opposite. This is quite a popular myth. He scored an acceptable amount, given the fact he was a penalty taker in by far the best team in the league. He's likeable as a person, which seperates him from Smith. Both aren't anywhere near up to it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Trained with squad yesterday. Will probably be on bench tomorrow. Good to see him back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Very Likely that he'll get his first Premier League start on Wednesday, excited about the prospect of seeing him in midfield, hope he shows what he's got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Had a very good pre-season so if he does start on Wednesday, I look forward to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Hope he really gets forward if he does start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Encouraging enough that Pardew has confidence in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Thing with him, like Abeid is their progression in the 1st team is going to be very limited. Cabaye is a solid starter in CM and so is Tiote if we can keep him. Then its Guthrie who has been class this season and i hope we keep and then Gosling who is promising. I have said it before but i really hope we can mould Vuckic into a striker, to me he could be like a RVP kind of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Gosling isn't promising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I think he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Gosling isn't promising. I think he can be a solid utility player but that's about it. Worth having. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's still young and had more than his fair share of injuries, far too early to make a judgement either way (you can apply that to Vuckic or Gosling tbh). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 First half of this match has been excellent, would love to see him in a midfield 3 with Cabaye and Tiote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What a shooooooot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What a shooooooot If that had went in........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 His pass through was almost identical in that it was almost perfect but not quite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Looking a very talented player. Not sure this is the role for him though in a flat central two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Looking a very talented player. Not sure this is the role for him though in a flat central two. Looks a CAM to me... Obertan (because we seemingly have to) -- Tiote -- Jonas ----------------------- Vuckic -- Ben Arfa ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Ba ---------------------------------------- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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