madras Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Poor performance for the whole 90mins, think the players had the same mental thinking as most our fans at the game "it's only blackpool" and as expected they were up for it as though it was a cup final. Playing Carroll as a target man on his own is crazy, flicking balls on to no body and when he got support he rarely had any control of where his flick ons go, at least if you play ranger on his own he can hold the ball up, tonite just saw possession lost very easy which lead to our defence being under pressure all night. As poor as we were we still could have got something from the game, just to slow with the final ball or the shot, so guess that can be seen as a positive while playing so bad as yet he doesn't do flick ons anyway. he wins headers with no idea where they're going. most the time it would be the same effect if the defender won the header. he has time though and it may come with experience. how was his play on the deck tonight ? back end of last season whilst not looking elegent on the ball he was effective and was much improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Poor performance for the whole 90mins, think the players had the same mental thinking as most our fans at the game "it's only blackpool" and as expected they were up for it as though it was a cup final. Playing Carroll as a target man on his own is crazy, flicking balls on to no body and when he got support he rarely had any control of where his flick ons go, at least if you play ranger on his own he can hold the ball up, tonite just saw possession lost very easy which lead to our defence being under pressure all night. As poor as we were we still could have got something from the game, just to slow with the final ball or the shot, so guess that can be seen as a positive while playing so bad as yet he doesn't do flick ons anyway. he wins headers with no idea where they're going. most the time it would be the same effect if the defender won the header. he has time though and it may come with experience. Can't remember him getting much to his feet, everything just seemed to be sent up to his head, his rare touches were just short balls for Butt to launch into the corners. Also carroll seemed to have a nightmare trying to stay onside all night how was his play on the deck tonight ? back end of last season whilst not looking elegent on the ball he was effective and was much improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Poor performance for the whole 90mins, think the players had the same mental thinking as most our fans at the game "it's only blackpool" and as expected they were up for it as though it was a cup final. That is exactly why I expected us to struggle in this league and why the good start was such a surprise. If that was the case, then they had better snap out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Poor performance for the whole 90mins, think the players had the same mental thinking as most our fans at the game "it's only blackpool" and as expected they were up for it as though it was a cup final. That is exactly why I expected us to struggle in this league and why the good start was such a surprise. If that was the case, then they had better snap out of it. Conversely, we basically used the same set of players in every match, so mentally and physically they must be very tired. That type of mindset is really only a problem when the players are jaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Poor performance for the whole 90mins, think the players had the same mental thinking as most our fans at the game "it's only blackpool" and as expected they were up for it as though it was a cup final. That is exactly why I expected us to struggle in this league and why the good start was such a surprise. If that was the case, then they had better snap out of it. Conversely, we basically used the same set of players in every match, so mentally and physically they must be very tired. That type of mindset is really only a problem when the players are jaded. I think putting out a balanced team will go a long way to better performances, far too many square pegs in round holes at the moment. You can get away with it for so long but I can't see it working over any period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Whats sad about it is we had a massive warning about the result of playing like that against Cardiff. They dominated the match after we scored possession wise & we still came away with a victory. It couldnt have been a luckier example of a formation not working. So what do we do as a result of being largely outplayed for most of the match, we play exactly the same tactics & formation against the next side. Then we lose as the opposition gets loads of possession & creates chances from that. Its the same old basic nonsense. Attack is the best form of defence, when you have the ball the opposition doesnt. Same reason Jonas was such a key player for us & many didnt see that - if we have the ball we're on the front foot & they arent fullstop. Our failure the last couple games was not keeping the ball, largely because we lose it in our attempt to find anyone in an attacking position - as theres only been one there against four. Same as last season. It makes the midfield ineffective and we lose games & confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just seen highlights. -Carroll's goal was well worked. - How the hell was Colocinni's shot not a penalty? You get the feeling we aren't gonna get a rub of the green in this league -Their equalizer was more luck than good work, harper should have turned it round the post but what can you do. -Winner was scrappy and could have been defended better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Whats sad about it is we had a massive warning about the result of playing like that against Cardiff. They dominated the match after we scored possession wise & we still came away with a victory. It couldnt have been a luckier example of a formation not working. So what do we do as a result of being largely outplayed for most of the match, we play exactly the same tactics & formation against the next side. Then we lose as the opposition gets loads of possession & creates chances from that. Its the same old basic nonsense. Attack is the best form of defence, when you have the ball the opposition doesnt. Same reason Jonas was such a key player for us & many didnt see that - if we have the ball we're on the front foot & they arent fullstop. Our failure is not passing the ball around simply, exactly the same as it was last season. It makes the midfield ineffective and we lose games & confidence. Spot on. When you've got no wingers, playing one up front is not going to work. A lone striker always needs support, and with three in central midfield this has to come from the wide players. When he hasn't got anyone who can beat a man and cross it in, or get to the byline and cut it back, and nobody making runs around him, your lone striker has got nothing to do but play it backwards all game. He can play it backwards and wait for the ball to work its way out wide, but he won't see it coming back into the box much when there's no wingers at all! Having no wingers is going to be a constant problem, we badly need Gutierrez back. It is madness that we started the season with 1 winger and 2 centre backs at the club but we're making it harder for ourselves by playing with one up front against these kinds of teams. We have fit strikers, play them and play on the front foot, we're playing for promotion not mid-table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Whats sad about it is we had a massive warning about the result of playing like that against Cardiff. They dominated the match after we scored possession wise & we still came away with a victory. It couldnt have been a luckier example of a formation not working. So what do we do as a result of being largely outplayed for most of the match, we play exactly the same tactics & formation against the next side. Then we lose as the opposition gets loads of possession & creates chances from that. Its the same old basic nonsense. Attack is the best form of defence, when you have the ball the opposition doesnt. Same reason Jonas was such a key player for us & many didnt see that - if we have the ball we're on the front foot & they arent fullstop. Our failure is not passing the ball around simply, exactly the same as it was last season. It makes the midfield ineffective and we lose games & confidence. Spot on. When you've got no wingers, playing one up front is not going to work. A lone striker always needs support, and with three in central midfield this has to come from the wide players. When he hasn't got anyone who can beat a man and cross it in, or get to the byline and cut it back, and nobody making runs around him, your lone striker has got nothing to do but play it backwards all game. He can play it backwards and wait for the ball to work its way out wide, but he won't see it coming back into the box much when there's no wingers at all! Having no wingers is going to be a constant problem, we badly need Gutierrez back. It is madness that we started the season with 1 winger and 2 centre backs at the club but we're making it harder for ourselves by playing with one up front against these kinds of teams. We have fit strikers, play them and play on the front foot, we're playing for promotion not mid-table. No, no , no. It was all Nicky Butt's fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Whats sad about it is we had a massive warning about the result of playing like that against Cardiff. They dominated the match after we scored possession wise & we still came away with a victory. It couldnt have been a luckier example of a formation not working. So what do we do as a result of being largely outplayed for most of the match, we play exactly the same tactics & formation against the next side. Then we lose as the opposition gets loads of possession & creates chances from that. Its the same old basic nonsense. Attack is the best form of defence, when you have the ball the opposition doesnt. Same reason Jonas was such a key player for us & many didnt see that - if we have the ball we're on the front foot & they arent fullstop. Our failure is not passing the ball around simply, exactly the same as it was last season. It makes the midfield ineffective and we lose games & confidence. Spot on. When you've got no wingers, playing one up front is not going to work. A lone striker always needs support, and with three in central midfield this has to come from the wide players. When he hasn't got anyone who can beat a man and cross it in, or get to the byline and cut it back, and nobody making runs around him, your lone striker has got nothing to do but play it backwards all game. He can play it backwards and wait for the ball to work its way out wide, but he won't see it coming back into the box much when there's no wingers at all! Having no wingers is going to be a constant problem, we badly need Gutierrez back. It is madness that we started the season with 1 winger and 2 centre backs at the club but we're making it harder for ourselves by playing with one up front against these kinds of teams. We have fit strikers, play them and play on the front foot, we're playing for promotion not mid-table. No, no , no. It was all Nicky Butt's fault. Its not completely Nickys fault obviously. However, he is very much part of the problem as opposed to the solution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 It go's to show how much protection Smith gibes our back four, the pressure they were under last night because Butt just cannot cover the ground quick enough. Also a 4-5-1 just means their CB's are under no pressure so their fullbacks can bomb forward. Was a slip up we will have more than that this season am sure of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just having seen the goals, the first goal was an error from Harper (should have been looking to push that round the post) but not a terrible one - very unlucky with where it landed. From listening to the radio it sounded like he was keeping us in it at times. Not seeing the game I can't really comment on how individuals performed, but having Nolan, Geremi and Butt on the field at the same time is asking for trouble with their lack of pace and energy. Also a very tough ask for Carroll to play up top on his own after injury having seen how little support the midfield gave Ranger on Sunday. Our goal was very nice, lovely ball in and a good finish. edit: the Butt bashing is massively ott on here from people who didn't see the game, but it did sound like we were allowing a lot more shots from distance last night than normal, one of which led to a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I've not been the Butt critic the rest of you are, but the above comment on Smith's protection to the back four is spot on. We'll have to face it, due to no action in the transfer market, and ridiculous constraints driving players to "lesser" clubs rather than here, and the 60% of poor quality rabble we have to rely on, it's going to be a very worrying season. Blackpool are NOT a strong side, ignore the Wigan win. Boro and WBA wouldn't have tried to scrabble a draw. They'd have taken the game to them, and won comfortably. Look - the wins we've had have proved not how good we are, but how BAD this division is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just having seen the goals, the first goal was an error from Harper (should have been looking to push that round the post) but not a terrible one - very unlucky with where it landed. From listening to the radio it sounded like he was keeping us in it at times. Got to say I've not seen any of the highlights but this sounds very similar to what Harper did a few times last season, knocking the ball back into a dangerous position rather than batting it out of play. Work on it lad, you're number one here now! This result may just ground the players a bit, who (like a lot on here) think that this league will just present us with a victory every week as well as make the fat bastard realise that the squad DOES need some new faces brought in to compete in this league and sharpish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I also think it showed Ranger is a better lone striker than Carroll, not a put down of Carroll here but Nile will win the ball and hold it up until he gets support, Carroll will win all the flick ons but whats the point when its only flicked onto their CB's? Carroll winning flick ons for Nile to run onto would work well thoug, 2 strikers puts more pressure on a defence and that adds pressure to the rest of the team.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hughton seems to think that because of Carroll's stature and ability in the air, that he would make a good lone target man. Carroll is far too slow and immobile to play the role up front on his own effectively. We now have 2 fit strikers, so change the system and go with 2 up top. Surely that would make sense... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Our defence is not doing to bad at the mo but the worry is our midfield and attack no creativity at all and no pace or anyone able to take players on. Enrique easily the best player we have. Those fans blaming Butt last night, not sure if you watched the game but Barton and Guthrie were just as bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Our defence is not doing to bad at the mo but the worry is our midfield and attack no creativity at all and no pace or anyone able to take players on. Enrique easily the best player we have. Those fans blaming Butt last night, not sure if you watched the game but Barton and Guthrie were just as bad Listening to the radio last night though, Enrique was getting a slating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Our defence is not doing to bad at the mo but the worry is our midfield and attack no creativity at all and no pace or anyone able to take players on. Enrique easily the best player we have. Those fans blaming Butt last night, not sure if you watched the game but Barton and Guthrie were just as bad Nobody who was posting on here last night at the time of the match saw the game, with maybe the exception of Big Geordie. There was nothing on the internet available except a radio stream at NUFC.co.uk, or BBC Radio Newcastle if you're local. The Butt bashing (hehe) is a bit daft when no one saw anything and others could have been just as bad as you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Will be a big indication of our season, how we respond to this defeat. Hopefully the confidence is robust enough to withstand the disappointment, and we won't collapse. We need to go 100% positive in the next game and foget about trying to scrape 1-goal wins. Put two up front and get the pressure on the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Our defence is not doing to bad at the mo but the worry is our midfield and attack no creativity at all and no pace or anyone able to take players on. Enrique easily the best player we have. Those fans blaming Butt last night, not sure if you watched the game but Barton and Guthrie were just as bad Listening to the radio last night though, Enrique was getting a slating. Did he? Not sure why as he defo saved us twice when they would of been one on one near the end if it was not for his pace getting out of trouble. One of the only players that the fans sang for last night, the fans were poor and it was pretty quiet. Their fans were very loud and all of their fans were singing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 It's a mystery to me why so many pundits and commentators seem not to rate Enrique. I rate him as probably our best player at the moment... luckily other clubs might be believing the press and not coming to buy him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 It's a mystery to me why so many pundits and commentators seem not to rate Enrique. I rate him as probably our best player at the moment... luckily other clubs might be believing the press and not coming to buy him. I was very surprised (and happy) we managed to hold on to him. Comfortably good enough for the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 It's a mystery to me why so many pundits and commentators seem not to rate Enrique. I rate him as probably our best player at the moment... luckily other clubs might be believing the press and not coming to buy him. I was very surprised (and happy) we managed to hold on to him. Comfortably good enough for the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1799588,00.html Big Andy Dedicates Goal To Baby Girl By Craig Hope THE script appeared written for new dad Andy Carroll 40 minutes into Wednesday's game at Blackpool as, back in the side after a four-game absence, he headed United in front before wheeling away to mark the birth of his baby girl with a thumb-sucking celebration. Sadly, though, for United and Carroll, The Tangerines had a plot of their own and came from behind to win thanks to goals from Brett Ormerod and Jason Euell. And, after the game, Geordie striker Andy told nufcTV: "I was over the moon to be back in the side and then to score the goal just a day after becoming a dad. "But, in the end, the result wasn't what we wanted and we weren't at our best throughout the whole game really. "It was better second-half but they probably deserved the win." And, of his daughter, Carroll added: "I'm delighted, I just wish the goal for her had been a winning one. "We haven't named her yet, just Baby Carroll for the time being. "But she's been fine, she slept all night before the game which was good - she must have known I had a match! "Hopefully, though, I can get another goal for her on Saturday against Plymouth." Aww. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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