TRon Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Keegan and Allardyce played Barton in a withdrawn role Why? Didn't he have Nicky Butt alongside him to play that role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 ask Keegan and Allardyce. Keegan had Owen arriving late in the box so that pretty much nullified Barton's chances. He was playing a bit like Gattuso under Keegan tbh, covering out wide then dropping inside when we had the ball. Under Allardyce, fuck knows. The entire team seemed withdrawn and lacking fluidity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 ask Keegan and Allardyce. Keegan had Owen arriving late in the box so that pretty much nullified Barton's chances. He was playing a bit like Gattuso under Keegan tbh, covering out wide then dropping inside when we had the ball. Under Allardyce, fuck knows. The entire team seemed withdrawn and lacking fluidity During that brief run under KK was the only time Barton's looked any good for us. Sort of a left hand sided centre mid, same position but opposite side to Geremi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 What effect does Butt have on the players around him. From my understanding he isn't a popular person in and around the training ground. In a way after being told this it makes sense how he might bring the worst out of players around him. I genuinely couldn't see a performance like that coming v Blackpool - it was grade A shite. It was a stark reminder of the shite played in the last 10/12 games of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 What effect does Butt have on the players around him. From my understanding he isn't a popular person in and around the training ground. In a way after being told this it makes sense how he might bring the worst out of players around him. I genuinely couldn't see a performance like that coming v Blackpool - it was grade A s****. It was a stark reminder of the s**** played in the last 10/12 games of last season. did you blink and miss the Cardiff game? It was all the warning we needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Remember when we got rid of Butt for a while, and he never got a game even when here as it was well known the fans hated him. Can we go back to those days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 bring back Souness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 We've not performed well for a while but picked up results, we got what we deserved in the defeat, hopefully it brings a few back down to earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 What effect does Butt have on the players around him. From my understanding he isn't a popular person in and around the training ground. In a way after being told this it makes sense how he might bring the worst out of players around him. I genuinely couldn't see a performance like that coming v Blackpool - it was grade A shite. It was a stark reminder of the shite played in the last 10/12 games of last season. The question also needs to be asked why is it that Alan Smith looks better in that position despite being a striker by trade? Even Fergie ditched Butt a decade ago and played Smith there instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 ask Keegan and Allardyce. Keegan had Owen arriving late in the box so that pretty much nullified Barton's chances. He was playing a bit like Gattuso under Keegan tbh, covering out wide then dropping inside when we had the ball. Under Allardyce, f*** knows. The entire team seemed withdrawn and lacking fluidity but with butt there in a middle 3 there was still plenty of scope for getting forward. i pointed out a few times last season the ammount of times butt was looking round for one of his other midfielders to make a move forward,when they didn't he had to. i know butt has been poor yet barton gets free of any stick when playing as bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 half a decade, but yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufchk Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Butt is our captain how come hughton drop him if he is avaliable similar as last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Butt is our captain how come hughton drop him if he is avaliable similar as last season Hopefully he will drop him because he is not blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezeri Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Get real guys! Do you really think that Hughton is going to drop Butt? No fucking way...he's the first name on the team sheet! How is it actually possible that this clown was signed by SBR? Why it can't be that the team is picked according to players form for once instead of always relying on their reputation! It's been proven about million times that Butt shouldn't be nowhere near the starting eleven. I really woulnd't mind seeing Barton, Nolan, Guthrie and co dropped because they're just not performing at their best(even average) level they're capable of. No matter who we're playing it's a certain 4-5-1 now as Hughton got a few results with it... Shearer at least got some balls to drop players who didn't perform! Give a chance for Lua Lua and Vuckic...even if they don't chance the game it's like putting money in the bank considering the future. Well...can they do any worse than the current group of lads in the midfield at the moment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezeri Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Butt is our captain how come hughton drop him if he is avaliable similar as last season Hopefully he will drop him because he is not blind. Wouldn't be so sure about that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taff Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Just the thought of him playing instead of Smith makes me feel sick! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Get real guys! Do you really think that Hughton is going to drop Butt? No fucking way...he's the first name on the team sheet! How is it actually possible that this clown was signed by SBR? Why it can't be that the team is picked according to players form for once instead of always relying on their reputation! It's been proven about million times that Butt shouldn't be nowhere near the starting eleven. I really woulnd't mind seeing Barton, Nolan, Guthrie and co dropped because they're just not performing at their best(even average) level they're capable of. No matter who we're playing it's a certain 4-5-1 now as Hughton got a few results with it... Shearer at least got some balls to drop players who didn't perform! Give a chance for Lua Lua and Vuckic...even if they don't chance the game it's like putting money in the bank considering the future. Well...can they do any worse than the current group of lads in the midfield at the moment? He wasn't who Bobby wanted to sign. Freddie Shepard transfer, says as much in Bobby's book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Smith, Butt and Nolan in the same midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Nolan is one of the worst signings I can remember. 4 million spent on a proven Premiership player...and he is a liability in the Championship. Who sanctioned that for goodness sake? And to think we were linked with M'bia and Marco Donadel (would have cost about the same) as well. Rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Smith, Butt and Nolan in the same midfield. It's not good is it. I said in the match thread, having not seen it I don't actually know how it worked, but when Geremi, Butt and Nolan were on the pitch together I just can't imagine there being enough pace or energy to ever break the opposition down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Get real guys! Do you really think that Hughton is going to drop Butt? No f***ing way...he's the first name on the team sheet! How is it actually possible that this clown was signed by SBR? He wasn't who Bobby wanted to sign. Freddie Shepard transfer, says as much in Bobby's book. I agree with you regarding Butt however SBR did sign Bassedas, Cordone, Cort and Quinn(among others) as well so Beezeri's comment is pretty silly. Everyone makes mistakes, even the greats, SBR seemed to be over trusting his people like Wadsworth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Get real guys! Do you really think that Hughton is going to drop Butt? No f***ing way...he's the first name on the team sheet! How is it actually possible that this clown was signed by SBR? He wasn't who Bobby wanted to sign. Freddie Shepard transfer, says as much in Bobby's book. I agree with you regarding Butt however SBR did sign Bassedas, Cordone, Cort and Quinn(among others) as well so Beezeri's comment is pretty silly. Everyone makes mistakes, even the greats, SBR seemed to be over trusting his people like Wadsworth. Bobbys book actually says that he wanted one of Sean Davis, Van Bommel, Carrick or Butt. Shepherd wouldn't pay 2.5m for Carrick as he was out of contract in the summer and Dyer recommended Butt to Robson as he was 'a good passer'. Bobby was happy with the signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hughton is like Roeder. His best team selections are when there are just about 11 players available. When there's actual decisions and choices to be made he's such a no risk yes man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 the fact he replaced Gary Speed with this tosser still pisses me off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Get real guys! Do you really think that Hughton is going to drop Butt? No f***ing way...he's the first name on the team sheet! How is it actually possible that this clown was signed by SBR? He wasn't who Bobby wanted to sign. Freddie Shepard transfer, says as much in Bobby's book. I agree with you regarding Butt however SBR did sign Bassedas, Cordone, Cort and Quinn(among others) as well so Beezeri's comment is pretty silly. Everyone makes mistakes, even the greats, SBR seemed to be over trusting his people like Wadsworth. Bobbys book actually says that he wanted one of Sean Davis, Van Bommel, Carrick or Butt. Shepherd wouldn't pay 2.5m for Carrick as he was out of contract in the summer and Dyer recommended Butt to Robson as he was 'a good passer'. Bobby was happy with the signing. Jesus Christ. I thought he was just thick, but was Dyer actually going out of his way to destroy SBR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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