LFEE Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said: I’m not sure mate - i am tempted to as I genuinely do think Thomas will listen, but he’s leaving apparently and going to the FSA Try and get along. Would be my first NUST meeting so not sure what to expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Yeah, this isn't about getting a Season Ticket back - it's about going through with what they said regarding points. They launched a scheme about protecting points and then ditched it when we got taken over. Nobody deserves their ticket back, including me. But points I will always argue - even if I still had mine - should be permanent due to the cost/effort involved. Either way, the points scheme needs reviewed to open it up to more people - specifically youngsters. I've had my day really, but my son certainly hasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Regardless of what the Trust said they would try to do, the club is never protecting points. Lunacy to think that was ever a goer. It shouldn’t have been promised. Why would the club piss off fans who actually pay for STs so people who no longer put a penny into NUFC can be at the front of the queue for away matches? Appreciate people are very protective of what they’ve built up over decades of following the team but that doesn’t entitle them to first dibs on away matches if they no longer go to home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, christ said: so people who no longer put a penny into NUFC What do you mean by this? Some people gave up their Season Tickets in protest, some over the years due to cost (losing jobs etc), some due to relocation. Just because somebody doesn't have a season ticket doesn't mean they don't put any money into the club. I understand your perspective on it though. It's a tough one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, christ said: Regardless of what the Trust said they would try to do, the club is never protecting points. Lunacy to think that was ever a goer. It shouldn’t have been promised. Why would the club piss off fans who actually pay for STs so people who no longer put a penny into NUFC can be at the front of the queue for away matches? Appreciate people are very protective of what they’ve built up over decades of following the team but that doesn’t entitle them to first dibs on away matches if they no longer go to home games. When @Chicken Dancermentions protecting points, I assume he means that if you have a load of points, then drop your ST for a period of time, the points become active again should you subsequently get a ST again. Rather than being able to use them to get away tickets without having a ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) The loyalty points thing is very difficult to resolve, it's basically impossible to buy an away ticket ever. So you'll never be able to get any points. But demand for away tickets will always be much higher than supply, no matter what system you use. Ideally I would like some form of ID check where you can't buy tickets to give to other people, but I can't see any away grounds actually enforcing that. Edited January 11, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The loyalty points thing is very difficult to resolve, it's basically impossible to buy an away ticket ever. So you'll never be able to get any points. But demand for away tickets will always be much higher than supply, no matter what system you use. Ideally I would like some form of ID check where you can't buy tickets to give to other people, but I can't see any away grounds actually enforcing that. Technology and non-transferable digital tickets are the eventual answer. Even then there’d probably be a way round it, but it would reduce the ‘buy to sell on’ market significantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The loyalty points thing is very difficult to resolve, it's basically impossible to buy an away ticket ever. So you'll never be able to get any points. But demand for away tickets will always be much higher than supply, no matter what system you use. Ideally I would like some form of ID check where you can't buy tickets to give to other people, but I can't see any away grounds actually enforcing that. I’ve always thought out of 3K allocation you should stick to the system we have for say 2.5K and put 500 on 0 points to allow those wanting to go a chance and build up their points. From that 500 you’d find the top end point holders who do sell their tickets just for points having a greatly smaller target market. Most people who do apply do so for themselves or for friends or fans that go on same coaches so let’s not through the baby out with the bath water. Theres very little scalping going on and any that is should be easily exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I’m not really against the buying to give to others, it’s just that the person who goes to the game doesn’t get points and the person who buys the ticket does. Like you say, all good if that can be avoided and some new people can start earning a few points. Still will take decades to get up the list of course, but at least they have a chance at those 500 tickets in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 At the very least, they should reduce the time for points to drop, and those drops to be steeper. And they should do away with increments of five. And also let me go first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Wonder what the club will do should we get to Wembley , will season ticket holders get priority ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Wonder what the club will do should we get to Wembley , will season ticket holders get priority ? A good way to do it would be those with a purchase history of the cup games so far, but there will always be a way to piss off someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: A good way to do it would be those with a purchase history of the cup games so far, but there will always be a way to piss off someone else. Whatever way they choose to do it there will be relentless pissing and moaning from those it doesn’t suit. But let’s get through the semi before worrying about that… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, christ said: Regardless of what the Trust said they would try to do, the club is never protecting points. Lunacy to think that was ever a goer. It shouldn’t have been promised. Why would the club piss off fans who actually pay for STs so people who no longer put a penny into NUFC can be at the front of the queue for away matches? Appreciate people are very protective of what they’ve built up over decades of following the team but that doesn’t entitle them to first dibs on away matches if they no longer go to home games. I think (?) you have misunderstood what he was saying. He wouldn’t be jumping the queue of those with current STs. I took it if he returned (therefore buying an ST like anyone else) his points would’ve remained at where he left off rather than starting at zero. Not giving him first chance of away games without a ST. Thats the way I understood his point which is a fair one if so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I gave up my season ticket after Rafa left, the championship was quite enjoyable mind. I wont be going back mainly because at 70 I cant stand the cold but no way should attending for nigh on 60 years make me entitled to one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Wonder what the club will do should we get to Wembley , will season ticket holders get priority ? Well, yes. Has any club ever done it differently? Edited January 11, 2023 by Hovagod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hovagod said: Well, yes. Has any club ever done it differently? No idea, don't follow other clubs ticket allocation and I was only 16 last time we got to Wembley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Sacked off 3 x season tickets 5 years ago because it was shite. On and off the pitch. If I had loyalty points, and I didn't so easy for me to say, I'd have kissed them goodbye in the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Geogaddi said: No idea, don't follow other clubs ticket allocation and I was only 16 last time we got to Wembley. Well, yeah, it will be season ticket holders first, then members, then general. Can’t imagine they would change the system they use for every away game. Selfishly hope I’m not wrong because I don’t have a purchase history in the cup this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hovagod said: Well, yeah, it will be season ticket holders first, then members, then general. Can’t imagine they would change the system they use for every away game. Selfishly hope I’m not wrong because I don’t have a purchase history in the cup this year. I agree season ticket holder priority is the fair way to do it, although looks like Chelsea and Liverpool got 33k each last year and we probably have more season ticket holders than 33k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Geogaddi said: I agree season ticket holder priority is the fair way to do it, although looks like Chelsea and Liverpool got 33k each last year and we probably have more season ticket holders than 33k. Is it though? I'm lucky in the sense that I have access to a ST so if that's the case, it suits me down to the ground. However I'd argue that a purchase history in this competition should also come into it. As others have said, impossible to please everybody. The demand would be off the scale, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Chicken Dancer said: Is it though? I'm lucky in the sense that I have access to a ST so if that's the case, it suits me down to the ground. However I'd argue that a purchase history in this competition should also come into it. As others have said, impossible to please everybody. The demand would be off the scale, that's for sure. I agree purchase history should come into it for this seasons carabao cup, although would imagine most season ticket holders have either been or given a ticket to someone else to use so not sure it would make that much of a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 In years gone by I think it’s been season ticket holders who attended the cup games first, as the allocation is large enough they points become less relevant - but this is all 20 years out of date! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Do loyalty points last forever? if they do that seems unfair, I think it should be like FFP and be points accrued in the previous 3 seasons or maybe 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likelylad Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said: Nail on the head. I still to this day feel completely hoodwinked by their scheme and maintain I wouldn’t have packed in my Season Ticket if I didn’t think they’d at least lobby for me and let the club decide. Gutted to this day and pardon the pun, wouldn’t trust the Trust with anything. Jobs for the boys. No doubt that Charlotte will be next on the board. That Tory Faith podcast keeps popping up recommendations on Youtube. Think I'd actually watch that Adam P lad than subject myself to that lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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