The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Ronaldo]

[merlin]

I can't see how shitting on Hughton would work tbh. Would it not fly in the face of the teamspirit that we now have?

 

Taking Nolan out of the team would probably do as much damage in that respect, still has to be done.

 

yeah, cos 15 goals from a midfielder in a season is s****!

 

 

Which will mean precisely what in the premiership?

hear man your just a WUM

 

If Nolan plays regularly next season we will get relegated. Simple as that.

 

What a stupid statement............

 

You really think he's good enough? He won't score anywhere near 15 goals next year in the PL, so what does he offer? If he plays as a CM we will get overrun and our defense will be under constant pressure. We saw the result of that last year. If we opt for a 4-5-1, at least away, and he plays behind the lone striker then we won't create/score nearly enough. We could (and need to) find a significant upgrade at either position for next season.  

 

I appreciate what he did this season and I think his attitude, especially early on, went a long way for the club, but he's simply not good enough anymore.

 

Agree once again, timeEd - he is now CCC standard.

[merlin]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, Im sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

[madras]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, Im sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

if southend were to be taken over by the makhtoums theres very few managers would say no.

[chicago_shearer]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, I’m sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

 

Based on this thread, I think it's pretty clear that the consensus expectation for next season is not merely survival.  Because survival is going to mean struggling, playing poorly, losing and living with the prospect that you might go down again.  That is what it means to be in the bottom fourth of the league.  And if that is the story of 2010/11 it will be because of team selection, tactics and Kevin Nolan.  We know this already.

 

If Hughton wants to survive, he needs to do what Reading managed in their first season in the Premiership or Birmingham are doing this year.  2010/11 needs to be comfortably mid table, with a very strong start.  Because if his support is lukewarm now, the knives are going to be out when we drop points at home against mid table teams. 

 

People might say their expectation is survival, but it won't play out that way.  Anger, fear and frustration at a return to bad results (which everyone might acknowledge before the season begins) will build quickly, and he'll be hated again when reality sets in.  You can practically hear the intake of air before the giant 'I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, HUGHTON OUT' and a return to the good old days of speculating whether Curbishley or Mark Hughes would be a better option, before they sign up Gary Megson or Joe Kinnear.

[alpal78]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, Im sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

 

Based on this thread, I think it's pretty clear that the consensus expectation for next season is not merely survival.  Because survival is going to mean struggling, playing poorly, losing and living with the prospect that you might go down again.  That is what it means to be in the bottom fourth of the league.  And if that is the story of 2010/11 it will be because of team selection, tactics and Kevin Nolan.  We know this already.

 

If Hughton wants to survive, he needs to do what Reading managed in their first season in the Premiership or Birmingham are doing this year.  2010/11 needs to be comfortably mid table, with a very strong start.  Because if his support is lukewarm now, the knives are going to be out when we drop points at home against mid table teams. 

 

People might say their expectation is survival, but it won't play out that way.  Anger, fear and frustration at a return to bad results (which everyone might acknowledge before the season begins) will build quickly, and he'll be hated again when reality sets in.  You can practically hear the intake of air before the giant 'I f***ing TOLD YOU SO, HUGHTON OUT' and a return to the good old days of speculating whether Curbishley or Mark Hughes would be a better option, before they sign up Gary Megson or Joe Kinnear.

 

Exactly what I was saying! When things go belly up, the same people who are now having a wank over Hughton will get on his back and things will get ugly again with blame pointed in all directions. This will bring us back to the instability of 2008/2009, a situation that Hughton has proven to be unable to cope with. Barring the Carrol-Taylor fiasco, this has been a quiet seson for Newcastle, do we really expect the same will happen next season with more eyes and cameras following Premiership players/teams.

 

Hughton has done well in the Championship and we owe him that. But if we can get a good replacement (Hughes would be just right), offer Hughton a coaching/assistant manager role and he refuses that, then it's thank you and goodbye.

 

 

[PRL]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, I’m sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

 

Based on this thread, I think it's pretty clear that the consensus expectation for next season is not merely survival.  Because survival is going to mean struggling, playing poorly, losing and living with the prospect that you might go down again.  That is what it means to be in the bottom fourth of the league.  And if that is the story of 2010/11 it will be because of team selection, tactics and Kevin Nolan.  We know this already.

 

If Hughton wants to survive, he needs to do what Reading managed in their first season in the Premiership or Birmingham are doing this year.  2010/11 needs to be comfortably mid table, with a very strong start.  Because if his support is lukewarm now, the knives are going to be out when we drop points at home against mid table teams. 

 

People might say their expectation is survival, but it won't play out that way.  Anger, fear and frustration at a return to bad results (which everyone might acknowledge before the season begins) will build quickly, and he'll be hated again when reality sets in.  You can practically hear the intake of air before the giant 'I f***ing TOLD YOU SO, HUGHTON OUT' and a return to the good old days of speculating whether Curbishley or Mark Hughes would be a better option, before they sign up Gary Megson or Joe Kinnear.

 

Exactly what I was saying! When things go belly up, the same people who are now having a wank over Hughton will get on his back and things will get ugly again with blame pointed in all directions. This will bring us back to the instability of 2008/2009, a situation that Hughton has proven to be unable to cope with. Barring the Carrol-Taylor fiasco, this has been a quiet seson for Newcastle, do we really expect the same will happen next season with more eyes and cameras following Premiership players/teams.

 

Hughton has done well in the Championship and we owe him that. But if we can get a good replacement (Hughes would be just right), offer Hughton a coaching/assistant manager role and he refuses that, then it's thank you and goodbye.

 

 

 

Tell me you do see the irony in what you're suggesting? You don't want to go back to the instability of last year, so your solution is to replace our manager who has just got us promoted to the Premier League with 6 games to spare and is seemingly immensely popular with the whole staff? Yep, that would bring players and a new manager leaping to join us. Fucking hell, people wonder why this club is a circus when we've got clown fans like yourself.

[alpal78]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, I’m sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

 

Based on this thread, I think it's pretty clear that the consensus expectation for next season is not merely survival.  Because survival is going to mean struggling, playing poorly, losing and living with the prospect that you might go down again.  That is what it means to be in the bottom fourth of the league.  And if that is the story of 2010/11 it will be because of team selection, tactics and Kevin Nolan.  We know this already.

 

If Hughton wants to survive, he needs to do what Reading managed in their first season in the Premiership or Birmingham are doing this year.  2010/11 needs to be comfortably mid table, with a very strong start.  Because if his support is lukewarm now, the knives are going to be out when we drop points at home against mid table teams. 

 

People might say their expectation is survival, but it won't play out that way.  Anger, fear and frustration at a return to bad results (which everyone might acknowledge before the season begins) will build quickly, and he'll be hated again when reality sets in.  You can practically hear the intake of air before the giant 'I f***ing TOLD YOU SO, HUGHTON OUT' and a return to the good old days of speculating whether Curbishley or Mark Hughes would be a better option, before they sign up Gary Megson or Joe Kinnear.

 

Exactly what I was saying! When things go belly up, the same people who are now having a w*** over Hughton will get on his back and things will get ugly again with blame pointed in all directions. This will bring us back to the instability of 2008/2009, a situation that Hughton has proven to be unable to cope with. Barring the Carrol-Taylor fiasco, this has been a quiet seson for Newcastle, do we really expect the same will happen next season with more eyes and cameras following Premiership players/teams.

 

Hughton has done well in the Championship and we owe him that. But if we can get a good replacement (Hughes would be just right), offer Hughton a coaching/assistant manager role and he refuses that, then it's thank you and goodbye.

 

 

 

Tell me you do see the irony in what you're suggesting? You don't want to go back to the instability of last year, so your solution is to replace our manager who has just got us promoted to the Premier League with 6 games to spare and is seemingly immensely popular with the whole staff? Yep, that would bring players and a new manager leaping to join us. f***ing hell, people wonder why this club is a circus when we've got clown fans like yourself.

 

Why would replacing Hughton with  a manager who has proven himself in the Premiership lead to instability? If you think players are going to be so severely affected by a change in management that their performance will be so drastically affected, then you're the one who belongs in a circus (and not as a clown too) 

 

Cut out the personal insults and I'll engage you.

[PRL]

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

 

Why would Hodgson want to leave his current job?

 

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club  and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, I’m sure of that!

 

As things stand, Fulham are a bigger club than us. He wouldn't leave for anyone, let alone Newcastle.

 

Wrong - as things stand, Fulham are CURRENTLY a more successful club ; they haven't won as many trophies, haven't got anything LIKE the stadium of fanbase, haven't been in European football as often...this is a worse statement than if someone had tried to claim that NUFC were a bigger club than Liverpool back in 1993 simply because we had a better team spirit at the time.

 

Fulham will NEVER be a bigger club than Newcastle United - just as we will never be a bigger club than Man U.

 

The issue about Hodgson is really nothing to do with the relative size of the clubs - he is not a young man and is unlikely to want to have the task of taking over a club like NUFC, although I very much doubt he will be given the chance.

 

Newcastle = Newly promoted side, big expectations, alot of deadwood still remains in the team.

 

Fulham = Established top half side, playing European football, decent playing side.

 

That's how a manager sees it. They don't go "ooo that's a big ground'" or "Well they've won more trophies than that team in the last 100 years". Whether Hodgson is 18 or 80, he won't touch 'the poisoned chalice' when he's doing so well at Fulham.

 

Why else have our last few managers included Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Sam Allardyce and Joe Kinnear?

 

...so why did Shankly leave a comfy post to join a run-down Liverpool ? Simply because he could see that the potential was much better than where he was and that is EXACTLY why a decent manager would join NUFC.

The reason why we have had all the names you mentioned as manager is because Shepherd had made such a mess of everything and our name was mud after the way he treated SBR ; in the case of Kinnear,you only need to be able to recall events with Ashley/Wise etc 18 months ago to see why we got HIM.

 

We would not attract a top manager right now because there is too much uncertainty surrounding Ashley's ownership and running of the club - if we were taken over by a major concern run by the likes of Makhtoum there are very few managers in the game who would turn the job down.

Sorry, but they DO look at things like the stadium, support base and financial standing when deciding to join a club and in the circumstances I have described, we would be looking at bigger names that Hodgson.

As things stand, the club has little choice but to persist with Hughton AND give him the proper support in the market ; if the club struggles after that, they will have to look at replacing him because relegation once more would be a disaster.

 

Based on this thread, I think it's pretty clear that the consensus expectation for next season is not merely survival.  Because survival is going to mean struggling, playing poorly, losing and living with the prospect that you might go down again.  That is what it means to be in the bottom fourth of the league.  And if that is the story of 2010/11 it will be because of team selection, tactics and Kevin Nolan.  We know this already.

 

If Hughton wants to survive, he needs to do what Reading managed in their first season in the Premiership or Birmingham are doing this year.  2010/11 needs to be comfortably mid table, with a very strong start.  Because if his support is lukewarm now, the knives are going to be out when we drop points at home against mid table teams. 

 

People might say their expectation is survival, but it won't play out that way.  Anger, fear and frustration at a return to bad results (which everyone might acknowledge before the season begins) will build quickly, and he'll be hated again when reality sets in.  You can practically hear the intake of air before the giant 'I f***ing TOLD YOU SO, HUGHTON OUT' and a return to the good old days of speculating whether Curbishley or Mark Hughes would be a better option, before they sign up Gary Megson or Joe Kinnear.

 

Exactly what I was saying! When things go belly up, the same people who are now having a w*** over Hughton will get on his back and things will get ugly again with blame pointed in all directions. This will bring us back to the instability of 2008/2009, a situation that Hughton has proven to be unable to cope with. Barring the Carrol-Taylor fiasco, this has been a quiet seson for Newcastle, do we really expect the same will happen next season with more eyes and cameras following Premiership players/teams.

 

Hughton has done well in the Championship and we owe him that. But if we can get a good replacement (Hughes would be just right), offer Hughton a coaching/assistant manager role and he refuses that, then it's thank you and goodbye.

 

 

 

Tell me you do see the irony in what you're suggesting? You don't want to go back to the instability of last year, so your solution is to replace our manager who has just got us promoted to the Premier League with 6 games to spare and is seemingly immensely popular with the whole staff? Yep, that would bring players and a new manager leaping to join us. f***ing hell, people wonder why this club is a circus when we've got clown fans like yourself.

 

Why would replacing Hughton with  a manager who has proven himself in the Premiership lead to instability? If you think players are going to be so severely affected by a change in management that their performance will be so drastically affected, then you're the one who belongs in a circus (and not as a clown too). Cut out the personal insults and I'll engage you.

 

There is a saying that often sticks with me: "The only lesson we learn from history is that we do not learn from history". Who are the only two managers who have made a success of managing at SJP in the last however many decades... I'd say Keegan and Robson. Tell me, had either of them managed in the Premier League prior to their appointment? Actually, I'll tell you, Robson hadn't managed domestically in England for close to 2 decades when he joined up, Keegan had never managed anyone. How about all those 'established premier league managers' we went for? Wor Kenny, Big Sam Allardyce, Sexy Ruud Gullit, Graeme fucking Souness? Yep, that went really well didn't it?

 

You're right as well, players aren't affected by changes in management and instability at the club, we didn't get relegated last year as a result of this and the last 11 months have just been a big illusion.

 

[Fatwax]

A change in manager leads to a massive change in stability, with the whole backroom staff changing, new players to suit the managers' new tactics, new training regimes, new training timetables... everything changes and anything that was settled before becomes unsettled.

 

The sole reason for our instability over the least five years or whatever has been the constant upheaval in managers & both playing and non-playing staff. To change a manager that is clearly popular with the whole playing staff and has their respect could work if the right appointment is made, but it could also backfire massively and any kind of uproar caused from poor player performances would leak up to the boardroom with the fans unhappy with a failing appointment (no doubt people would then moan about Hughton not being given a chance) and before we know it 'buoycootts' are flying about, club sales and most probably interim managers and re-occuring relegations.

 

Of course, it could work out if the right appointment was made, but I can see us getting a good start in the PL before things go a bit stale, a bit like Hull in their first season - difference is that I rate Hughtons' man-management more than I do Browns. People are saying Hughes could be good, but surely he'd be just another Allardyce who is too pig-headed to accept his own shortcomings and mistakes.

[alpal78]

A change in manager leads to a massive change in stability, with the whole backroom staff changing, new players to suit the managers' new tactics, new training regimes, new training timetables... everything changes and anything that was settled before becomes unsettled.

 

The sole reason for our instability over the least five years or whatever has been the constant upheaval in managers & both playing and non-playing staff. To change a manager that is clearly popular with the whole playing staff and has their respect could work if the right appointment is made, but it could also backfire massively and any kind of uproar caused from poor player performances would leak up to the boardroom with the fans unhappy with a failing appointment (no doubt people would then moan about Hughton not being given a chance) and before we know it 'buoycootts' are flying about, club sales and most probably interim managers and re-occuring relegations.

 

Of course, it could work out if the right appointment was made, but I can see us getting a good start in the PL before things go a bit stale, a bit like Hull in their first season - difference is that I rate Hughtons' man-management more than I do Browns. People are saying Hughes could be good, but surely he'd be just another Allardyce who is too pig-headed to accept his own shortcomings and mistakes.

 

You're right to a certain extent, change of management may lead to instability but the operative word is may. If the change is done mid season, then yah definitely. But if we do at the end of the season, get a proven Premiership manager to install his new staff, strengthen the squad, train the players and have friendly matches, then it is reasonable to expect that things will turn out well.

 

I disagree that the reason for the instability over the last few seasons was change of management, it was more the timing. Keegan's example provides the best proof of how things can be done right and wrong. Getting him to replace Big Sam with time to spare filled the fans with optimism, chopping him off a few games in and bringing in such a lousy replacement created instability, so it all depends on how and when the replacement is carried out. 

 

If we don't change Hughton at the end of the season, highly likely Ashley will replace him in January when Hughton's deficiencies are revealed (again) in the Premiership. Nothing against him, I appreciate what he has done for us in the Championship, but that is all he is...a good Championship manager.

[Fatwax]

A change in manager leads to a massive change in stability, with the whole backroom staff changing, new players to suit the managers' new tactics, new training regimes, new training timetables... everything changes and anything that was settled before becomes unsettled.

 

The sole reason for our instability over the least five years or whatever has been the constant upheaval in managers & both playing and non-playing staff. To change a manager that is clearly popular with the whole playing staff and has their respect could work if the right appointment is made, but it could also backfire massively and any kind of uproar caused from poor player performances would leak up to the boardroom with the fans unhappy with a failing appointment (no doubt people would then moan about Hughton not being given a chance) and before we know it 'buoycootts' are flying about, club sales and most probably interim managers and re-occuring relegations.

 

Of course, it could work out if the right appointment was made, but I can see us getting a good start in the PL before things go a bit stale, a bit like Hull in their first season - difference is that I rate Hughtons' man-management more than I do Browns. People are saying Hughes could be good, but surely he'd be just another Allardyce who is too pig-headed to accept his own shortcomings and mistakes.

 

You're right to a certain extent, change of management may lead to instability but the operative word is may. If the change is done mid season, then yah definitely. But if we do at the end of the season, get a proven Premiership manager to install his new staff, strengthen the squad, train the players and have friendly matches, then it is reasonable to expect that things will turn out well.

 

I disagree that the reason for the instability over the last few seasons was change of management, it was more the timing. Keegan's example provides the best proof of how things can be done right and wrong. Getting him to replace Big Sam with time to spare filled the fans with optimism, chopping him off a few games in and bringing in such a lousy replacement created instability, so it all depends on how and when the replacement is carried out. 

 

If we don't change Hughton at the end of the season, highly likely Ashley will replace him in January when Hughton's deficiencies are revealed (again) in the Premiership. Nothing against him, I appreciate what he has done for us in the Championship, but that is all he is...a good Championship manager.

 

I kind of would, coupled with the fact that the club has made the wrong appointments. Ignoring the old boards history with this, the appointments by the current board have been:

 

Keegan (replacing Allardyce who was appointed by old board)

Joe Kinnear

Shearer

Hughton

 

Keegan was a romantic choice that was, in hindsight, almost definitely picked to just get the fans on his side... although I really can't say that for sure, none of us can. Kinnear was an absolute joke of an appointment from start to finish and I still refuse to believe that he was the only option. Shearer was something like the Keegan appointment but backfired in the end. Hughtons appointment made sense given everything that had happened, although it wasn't until a month or two into the season until it happened.

 

I agree with your point about the timing of the appointments being paramount to their effectiveness... but I would like to see Hughton given at least until Christmas. Then again I'm something of an optimist and more importantly I don't trust this board to make the right managerial choice after they have inevitably fired Hughton.

[alexthegreat]

Lot of talk about stability - Stability on its own isnt enough. You need a manager with enough credibility first. Someone who when you're on a 10 match winless run you can still find plenty of reasons to keep with him.

 

Look at the managers we've appointed since Robson, on the day they were appointed how many could you see still being here 5 years later?

Souness - no

Roeder - no

Allardyce - possibly

Keegan - probably not, even if it went well

Kinnear - definately not

Hughton - no

 

The main problem is making poor appointments in the first place.

If a man is going to come in and build a club from top to bottom, there needs to be plenty of reasons for everyone - players, supporters, and board to believe that he is capable of doing it - you cant do it with just anyone. I mean we could have decided to stick with Souness for 15 years and where would that have ended up?  In the conference with the padlocks going on the gates?

 

I think Hughton isn't the man long term, but the whole thing is an irrelevance anyway as long as Ashley is here. For as long as there is a bloke who quite clearly wants out (whatever he says) who everyone in football knows got players in behind his managers back on youtube, and could only attract Joe Kinnear last time he went looking for a manager there isnt going to be any "stability" anyway in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

[Mick]

A change in manager leads to a massive change in stability, with the whole backroom staff changing, new players to suit the managers' new tactics, new training regimes, new training timetables... everything changes and anything that was settled before becomes unsettled.

 

The sole reason for our instability over the least five years or whatever has been the constant upheaval in managers & both playing and non-playing staff. To change a manager that is clearly popular with the whole playing staff and has their respect could work if the right appointment is made, but it could also backfire massively and any kind of uproar caused from poor player performances would leak up to the boardroom with the fans unhappy with a failing appointment (no doubt people would then moan about Hughton not being given a chance) and before we know it 'buoycootts' are flying about, club sales and most probably interim managers and re-occuring relegations.

 

Of course, it could work out if the right appointment was made, but I can see us getting a good start in the PL before things go a bit stale, a bit like Hull in their first season - difference is that I rate Hughtons' man-management more than I do Browns. People are saying Hughes could be good, but surely he'd be just another Allardyce who is too pig-headed to accept his own shortcomings and mistakes.

 

I agree with what you say but if Hughton isn't up to it then changing a manager before the season would be better than during it.  We'll not be getting rid of Hughton so we need to hope that he is good enough and carries on learning like I think he has during this season.  He has his faults but I think his good points have out numbered them as the season has gone on and whatever he has done so far has worked. 

 

I think we'd be mad to rush out and replace Hughton with somebody like Hughes as he wouldn't be much of an upgrade, if at all.  I don't think we have enough to offer anybody who would be classed as a top manager as we need the same type of job which Sir Bobby had to carry out when he first came here.  A new manager usually expects loads of cash to spend so that they can buy a team and we're miles away from being in that position, we need a builder, not a cheque book manager.

 

If Hughton manages to build something he’ll be shown loyalty by the club and he’ll be given time to do what he thinks is right.  We had far too many managers and caretakers last season, something which I don’t think anybody at the club wanted and something I don’t think they‘ll want to repeat.  Ashley and Llambias do have a plan for the club and they will be far happier if they can see that through with the same person so that we’re not trying to build a new team every season.

 

Hughton will not have the sums of money to spend that some are predicting so he will have to get the best out of a lot of the players already at the club.  I would be surprised if our net spend is anything more than £10 million and that will have to be used to bring in at least a forward and central midfielder.  If he sells anybody then he will probably have more money to spend. 

 

I think Hughton has to spend his money well if he’s going to remain here and I’m not sure how well he’ll do in that respect.  Butt will almost certainly leave, Pancrate is out of contract and Hall is due to head back to QPR so we’ll be 3 players down before we sign anybody.  If Hughton thinks that Leon Best is the type of player we need then I think he’s got problems and will struggle so Hughton will need a lot of help to get the right players. 

 

Danny Simpson will need to improve a lot to be good enough to play in the Premiership, we can carry him in the position he plays as long as we have a good team around him.  Steve Taylor could do a job on the right side of our defence but he’s just as likely to go as he is to stay and I don’t blame him if he leaves.  Other than right back we should have enough in defence as Coloccini isn’t as bad in the Premiership as some people try and make out.  He had some dodgy games last season but he also had some very good games, a lot of people thought that he would fail miserably this year and for most of the time he’s been excellent.  Williamson looks good enough at the back and we have good cover in Kadar and Taylor if he stays so the defence doesn’t need much work, if any.  Enrique is more than good enough for the Premiership and I just hope that we can resist other clubs if they come in for him. 

 

Our central midfield will be nowhere near good enough for next season.  Butt will almost certainly be gone, good.  Smith just doesn’t offer anything and hasn’t looked good in the Championship for most of the season.  Nolan has offered goals but very little else when not getting goals, I hope that the added challenge of the Premiership will bring something extra out of him because he’ll not get the goals he has this year.  Barton isn’t somebody we can rely on, he’s got to be one of our worst ever signings and I would love to see the back of him if somebody was daft enough to take him.  Guthrie looks to be our best central midfielder and he’s not going to be good enough if he hasn’t got anybody decent next to him.  Our wingers should be good enough but again, that depends on who they have around them.

 

Our forwards are not good enough, Lovenkrands could do a job for us and Carroll might be able to if he carries on improving but he’s another Joey Barton and his next brush with the law will always be just around the corner.  He’s the type of person who will probably end up doing time as he seems to be lacking any self control.  Shola will probably be injured more often than not and no team should try and rely on him scoring to keep them up as he’s not good enough and has the fitness level of a corpse.  Ranger hasn’t had enough playing time, it was going to be either him or Carroll and we went with Carroll.

 

[Guest BooBoo]

Obama's big test will be not to be overly loyal to players who have done well this year. If he can acknowledge which players ceiling is the Championship and replace them rather than adopting the "these lads deserve their chance", then he'll be on the right lines.

[Interpolic]

Obama's big test will be not to be overly loyal to players who have done well this year. If he can acknowledge which players ceiling is the Championship and replace them rather than adopting the "these lads deserve their chance", then he'll be on the right lines.

 

Am I missing something?

[Guest BooBoo]

Barrack Road Obama= Hughton.

[Heron]

Barrack Road Obama= Hughton.

 

[Guest Antec]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

[Elliottman]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

 

well, he's not going to come out and say we are going to blow millions.

[Guest toonlass]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

 

Its only sensible tbh. We need to have a solid platform to build on.

[Exiled in Texas]

Hughton showing a level head and realistic expectations on what task lie ahead for him.  He know what he has to do, but won't be tipping his hand on what his plans are.

[Mick]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

 

That's a good interview and he actually sounds like a manager who is comfortable with his current position, it's possibly the best I've ever heard him speak.  He's got no ego at all and wants others to be given the credit for what has happened this season.

[OzzieMandias]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

 

Says nowt wrong there.

[Frazzle]

Oh dear

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8610247.stm

 

Says nowt wrong there.

 

Apart from insulting the fans.  How come we need to lower our expectations?  Believe me Chris, they are low.