The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Wullie]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

Get away man, he must have played that chip straight out of play about half a dozen times.

[Guest gggg]

Shocking subs. Lost all shape.

[TRon]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Taking off a player playing well and having a positive influence on our play and leaving on an anonymous player. That's pretty pants.

 

This basically. HBA was the player who was giving Stoke a hard time and taking him off so early just made no sense. Hughton seems to worry far too much about what other sides are going to do to us than what we can do to them. Half an hour to go was too early to shore up the defence and it played into their hands.

[Guest Mani]

true they had two men jumping with carroll with every cross even drogba would have had a bad day. we try to out stoke, stoke in the first half and we wouldn't have scored, had it not been of the generous penalty.

[Gallowgate Toon]

How is Ben Arfa's fitness a problem? He was bombing up and down the wing in the 84th minute against Everton, there's no way he was tired, he's just not defensive enough.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Should have taken Nolan off

[Guest Mani]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

u watching another game?  he had a few great hollywood passes but his crossing corners and freekicks was horrible fucking horrible.  his second half perfomance was piss poor, and this is coming from a barton fan.

[David28]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

Get away man, he must have played that chip straight out of play about half a dozen times.

 

His long balls to Carroll were perfect very often today.

 

His through balls were good, but that's always a bit of luck whether they get through or not.

 

His short passing was very accurate as well.

[David28]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

u watching another game?  he had a few great hollywood passes but his crossing corners and freekicks was horrible fucking horrible.  his second half perfomance was piss poor, and this is coming from a barton fan.

 

I've said that before, they took him out of the game in the 2nd half near perfectly because he was running the show in the 1st half.

 

I can't remember doing Tiote anything what was really countable today.

[TRon]

Barton was shite. How many times did he get into the box to support the strikers? If he can't do it in a home match when we have 64% of the possession when's he going to do it? Spent far too much time casually strolling around without any real intent.

 

 

[Pilko]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton did that three times today - Carroll won a throw-in on one and corners on the other two. Butt's always went out for a goal kick.

[Guest Mani]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

u watching another game?  he had a few great hollywood passes but his crossing corners and freekicks was horrible fucking horrible.  his second half perfomance was piss poor, and this is coming from a barton fan.

 

I've said that before, they took him out of the game in the 2nd half near perfectly because he was running the show in the 1st half.

 

I can't remember doing Tiote anything what was really countable today.

 

ur just one of those that never appreciate the water carrier.

 

he held up the midfield and showed great composure and directed the flow brilliantly, tracked back and protected the back four and went with the runners.   just because u didnt see him play any attacking balls foward dont mean he didnt have a good game man, wake up.

 

he had one dodgy moment in the first half when he dabbled on the ball outside our own box that was only one real negative i can give him.

[Flip]

Barton was s****. How many times did he get into the box to support the strikers? If he can't do it in a home match when we have 64% of the possession when's he going to do it? Spent far too much time casually strolling around without any real intent.

 

 

 

He's not supposed to get into the box. He's a deep lying playmaker of a type. I feel sorry for him, cause he and Ben arfa had no one to pass to. And if you didn't see that you're blind. There was no forwards to support as there was no ball.

 

A more static offensive line than the one lead by Carroll and Nolan today is hard to find. Maybe if you put an old man and Jabbahdahut up top there be less movement.

[David28]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

u watching another game?  he had a few great hollywood passes but his crossing corners and freekicks was horrible fucking horrible.  his second half perfomance was piss poor, and this is coming from a barton fan.

 

I've said that before, they took him out of the game in the 2nd half near perfectly because he was running the show in the 1st half.

 

I can't remember doing Tiote anything what was really countable today.

 

ur just one of those that never appreciate the water carrier.

 

he held up the midfield and should great composure and directed the flow brilliantly, tracked back and protected the back four and went with the runners.   just because u didnt see him play any attacking balls foward dont mean he didnt have a good game man, wake up.

 

he had one dodgy moment in the first half when he dabbled on the ball outside our own box that was only one real negative i can give him.

 

I saw Tiote losing the ball at least 3 times today in situations where it shouldn't had happend.

 

Btw, I very much appreciate players who aren't playing offensively... I just think that Tiote, compared with his performance against Everton, had a poor day today.

[Guest Mani]

Barton was s****. How many times did he get into the box to support the strikers? If he can't do it in a home match when we have 64% of the possession when's he going to do it? Spent far too much time casually strolling around without any real intent.

 

 

 

He's not supposed to get into the box. He's a deep lying playmaker of a type. I feel sorry for him, cause he and Ben arfa had no one to pass to. And if you didn't see that you're blind. There was no forwards to support as there was no ball.

 

A more static offensive line than the one lead by Carroll and Nolan today is hard to find. Maybe if you put an old man and Jabbahdahut up top there be less movement.

 

exactly, nolan and carroll looked like they were still recovering from that nackering 90mins of mad endeaver vs the toffees, either that or they cuddnt be arsed, plus the stoke 10 man defence didnt exactly make it easy for them.

[Parky]

You've got to like the man...and has definitely improved the side. Don't think anyones saying he completely inept though either but taking Tiote off and leaving an anonymous Nolan on. Tis' asking to be questioned. Pulis' changes definitely helped but its double jeopardy with that sort of thinking

 

Taking off a defensive player and leaving on an offensive player when we need a goal. Shocking that like.

 

Tiote's not a defensive player from what I've seen so far though, he wins it but also drives us forward (far more than the insipid Barton who is trying to perfect the Nicky Butt aimless chip into the corner).

 

Tiote was absolutely bossing the central midfield imo.

 

Barton was better than Tiote today. Barton's passing was nearly perfect for the whole game.

 

u watching another game?  he had a few great hollywood passes but his crossing corners and freekicks was horrible fucking horrible.  his second half perfomance was piss poor, and this is coming from a barton fan.

 

I've said that before, they took him out of the game in the 2nd half near perfectly because he was running the show in the 1st half.

 

I can't remember doing Tiote anything what was really countable today.

 

CH had some tough choices today in a very tight match in which  although we dominated posession, we very rarely gave Stoke serious problems even in the first half ( i think only 2 shots on target was the stat iirc). There was something missing from the players (perhaps the ususal suspects) in the second half and Nolan alwaus looks knackered to me after 60 odd mins. Chris has got a lot right over the last couple of weeks and I don't really want to have rip into him at all. But...I would question taking off Hba who kept their whole right side pinned back in fear and not taking Nolan off for Shola. Bringing Shola on for Tiote was a gamble cause he was our only real protection against a big phyiscal side. Once he came off they cruised throught the middle at will. Anywat the team is still developing and there will be close games where we win.

[EthiGeordie]

  He had his worst day on the day since he have manager tottaly fkd bye Pullis..... Barton should have come off instead of Tiote.. that way at least we should have draw the game. if he has to play Nolan it has to be in place of Barton...... jonas and Ben arfa needs to start at least for the home games.....

[Colocho]

Barton was shite. How many times did he get into the box to support the strikers? If he can't do it in a home match when we have 64% of the possession when's he going to do it? Spent far too much time casually strolling around without any real intent.

 

 

Striker. It is Nolan's job to support our striker, not Barton's.

[Wullie]

Barton was shite. How many times did he get into the box to support the strikers? If he can't do it in a home match when we have 64% of the possession when's he going to do it? Spent far too much time casually strolling around without any real intent.

 

 

Striker. It is Nolan's job to support our striker, not Barton's.

 

It's both tbh.

[Colocho]

To support him with balls, not necessarily to be playing off of him.

[chicago_shearer]

Nolan has become such a scapegoat.

 

The subs weren't the issue, and we didn't make a purposeful tactical change to being shit in the second half.  Hughton should take the blame for set piece defending that looked badly coached and undisciplined. 

[Wullie]

To support him with balls, not necessarily to be playing off of him.

 

Sorry but your attacking central midfielder should be arriving in the box to get on the end of stuff, unless you think only two players in the squad should be responsible for scoring goals.

[Colocho]

Our attacking midfielders are HBA and Routledge.

[TRon]

To support him with balls, not necessarily to be playing off of him.

 

Sorry but your attacking central midfielder should be arriving in the box to get on the end of stuff, unless you think only two players in the squad should be responsible for scoring goals.

 

Exactly. In my book both wide players should be looking to get goals as well so Routledge was also disappointing today. We had the ball in some fantastic areas today but the lack of players getting in the box beyond the static Nolan meant Stoke easily absorbed the threat.

[Dave]

On a positive note I'm reasonably convinced Hughton is aware of himself being a complete rookie at this management lark and therefore should be willing and able to learn from his mistakes. That's preferable to know-all cunts who persist with the same thing week after week.