Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Bollocks. Hughton's achieved more in his career as a manager anyway! Than who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I voted yes. I think he was predictably given little money to strengthen but did his best in the transfer market. He's basically been restricted to signing freebies or bargain buys. Williamson was a very good signing, Tiote looks a steal and Routledge at the time was a good signing. Lovenkrands was free and we desperately needed pace, for all his limitations. Simpson was cheap and Ben Arfa looked a bargain. Campbell and Gosling both frees. His only errors of judgement were Perch and Best, two players we didn't need and frankly strange signings. Still don't know why he wasted precious coin bringing them in. But both were cheap once again. Really, he's had very little to spend but has galvanized the squad. We were always in for a struggle. I'm not sure another manager could have done much better with those resources. I agree with others who say that stability is the one thing we have going for us at the moment. I think we look capable of playing decent stuff but lack firepower and that will only be fixed by either getting Ben Arfa fit (impossible) or signing a good forward and they are often the most expensive players. I just don't see Ashley releasing the funds. His only forwards are an unproven but promising kid, Ameobi and a guy with a broken leg. I don't think many managers would fancy their chances with that kind of strikeforce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrBrown Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 He was keen on getting in a decent striker this summer, too, which just goes to show, again, that he's aware of our shortcomings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Eight games. That's actually more than 20% of the season.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 When there was a poll are the beginning of the season, all but a few expected a big struggle this season. And now that we are struggling as everyone expected, the campaign to have another manager sacking has started. After 8 bloody games. Ridiculous. What did you think a difficult season looked like? Comfortable victories at home and the odd battering against the top 4? That is mid table form. And if he does get sacked for failing to get us comfortably mid table after 8 games, then who are we replacing him with? What people DIDN'T expect was sub-standard performances at home against mediocre sides, or that the sides who were promoted behind us would be playing better and more effective football... The only part of your post I agree with is the last bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The last championship winner to hold their own in the top flight at the first attempt was Keegan. So that doesn't prove anything really. Not that I'm saying sack him, but we'll deserve to go down just as much by hanging on to someone out of their depth because they got us up. err Sunderland? Man City? Bolton? Fulham? - there's quite a few that have come up and 'held their own' since Keegan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I think we're forgetting how much better this is than the last time we were in the Premiership. A lot of improvements have been made, even if all our weaknesses haven't been addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I voted yes. I think he was predictably given little money to strengthen but did his best in the transfer market. He's basically been restricted to signing freebies or bargain buys. Williamson was a very good signing, Tiote looks a steal and Routledge at the time was a good signing. Lovenkrands was free and we desperately needed pace, for all his limitations. Simpson was cheap and Ben Arfa looked a bargain. Campbell and Gosling both frees. His only errors of judgement were Perch and Best, two players we didn't need and frankly strange signings. Still don't know why he wasted precious coin bringing them in. But both were cheap once again. Really, he's had very little to spend but has galvanized the squad. We were always in for a struggle. I'm not sure another manager could have done much better with those resources. I agree with others who say that stability is the one thing we have going for us at the moment. I think we look capable of playing decent stuff but lack firepower and that will only be fixed by either getting Ben Arfa fit (impossible) or signing a good forward and they are often the most expensive players. I just don't see Ashley releasing the funds. His only forwards are an unproven but promising kid, Ameobi and a guy with a broken leg. I don't think many managers would fancy their chances with that kind of strikeforce. In view of the Gonzalez thing re agents, were Best and Perch perhaps favours to agents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I think best and perch were signed because we needed a forward and a right back. Unfortunately with shirt buttons (definitely in best's case) and missing out on your first choices you have to get what you can. Neither look up to it but good players normally cost a fair bit, if you don't have a fair bit you have to gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 "Definitely in best's case" was on relation to missing out on first choices btw, worded that badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Wonder how he'll deal with Carroll issue, to me he has to take the moral stance on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Best was signed because we needed a forward and our first choices (Beckford & Moses) had turned us down or went elsewhere. Perch was signed because Colin Calderwood is a total fuckwit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Hughton's stance on this will be to say fuck all, as per usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Beat me to it. 'It's very much an issue that will stay in-house.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 So how many chances will Carroll get, he's already had quite a few Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Beat me to it. 'It's very much an issue that will stay in-house.' Complete opposite of JFK, who was practically begging Sky to put on a pay-per-view when Carroll and N'Zogbia had a set to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Is this the same Daily Mail who are currently banned from SJP? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/newcastle-ban-daily-mail-over-triesman-story-1984848.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Is this the same Daily Mail who are currently banned from SJP? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/newcastle-ban-daily-mail-over-triesman-story-1984848.html It is but their info is somehow spot on still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Wonder how he'll deal with Carroll issue, to me he has to take the moral stance on this. Do we actually know what happened? Sorry if I missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Wonder how he'll deal with Carroll issue, to me he has to take the moral stance on this. Do we actually know what happened? Sorry if I missed it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-11563332 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Yeah, I know he's been charged, I mean we don't actually know the details of the incident (or whether he's going to be found guilty) so it's a bit early to say Hughton should be "taking the moral stance" on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The last championship winner to hold their own in the top flight at the first attempt was Keegan. So that doesn't prove anything really. Not that I'm saying sack him, but we'll deserve to go down just as much by hanging on to someone out of their depth because they got us up. err Sunderland? Man City? Bolton? Fulham? - there's quite a few that have come up and 'held their own' since Keegan Managers. All those had experienced top flight managers apart from Bolton who didn't win the league. Mowbray, Keane, Mccarthy MK1, Worthington, Robson were all out of their depth and did or were taking their teams back down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 "If we're to believe what we read, Coloccini's goal saved Chris Hughton's job at the weekend" - MNF. The self created media pressure begins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 "If we're to believe what we read, Coloccini's goal saved Chris Hughton's job at the weekend" - MNF. The self created media pressure begins daily fail said it but the media are sharpering their knives as they typically do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Richard Keys 'if we believe what we read, Coloccini's goal might have saved Hughton his job'. Really don't remember seeing that anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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