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Now I know these two are generally contentious figures when it comes to this club and hopefully this thread wont dig up old board stuff.

 

However, I was thinking recently, that while the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Portsmouth have failed very badly to upgrade their stadiums, Southampton completely bankrupted themselves doing theres, other clubs moving location and only filling out half capacity, Newcastle United and Hall and Shepherd rebuilt St. James' Park to meet the demands of the modern world.

 

I've often wondered what would have happenned without the stadium. Regardless it is not something to worry about.

 

Truth is that now the period of football is very much over, we are left with a great stadium that can get the 3rd highest attendance in the country every other week, where Newcastle fans can go to see the club play.

 

That alone is a huge legacy that not many chairman in the football club will leave behind.

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SJH's legacy was failing to see beyond the £ signs and selling to Mike Ashley, leaving the club in the hands of a care free buffoon.

 

For all the good SJH did, he ruined it for me with that one act.

 

Insisting on involving his boneheaded son wasn't overly bright either.

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SJH's legacy was failing to see beyond the £ signs and selling to Mike Ashley, leaving the club in the hands of a care free buffoon.

 

For all the good SJH did, he ruined it for me with that one act.

 

Insisting on involving his boneheaded son wasn't overly bright either.

 

Yes, but that is just a temporary thing. People come and go, but St. James' Park is forever.

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The previous board and owners did plenty of things right to go with the things they did wrong. I don't think anyone's ever argued otherwise.

 

St James' Park is excellent and I'm immensely proud of it.

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Credit where it's due. Thanks to the Hall - Shepherd era, we have a large, top-class stadium. I'd also add, thanks to Ashley, there's no longer a large debt attached to it. I don't think there's any other club which can make both those claims.

 

The foundations are there for a revival in time, however bleak things might seem now.

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Plenty of clubs now have either improved stadia or brand new ones. I just think whats on the pitch, dugout and boardroom matters more than the stadium.

 

 

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The previous board and owners did plenty of things right to go with the things they did wrong. I don't think anyone's ever argued otherwise.

 

St James' Park is excellent and I'm immensely proud of it.

 

I personally think it is the best thing any non-bankrolled by oil board has achieved at any higher level club in the last 20-30 years.

 

Something that deserves giant plaudits, not the light credit it gets now.

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The previous board and owners did plenty of things right to go with the things they did wrong. I don't think anyone's ever argued otherwise.

 

St James' Park is excellent and I'm immensely proud of it.

 

I personally think it is the best thing any non-bankrolled by oil board has achieved at any higher level club in the last 20-30 years.

 

 

Emirates? Old Trafford?

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Despite the turmoil we've suffered in the last few years, in many ways we're not in bad shape compared to other big clubs.

 

Bob Murray was extremely unpopular down the road but he also made some brave decisions and did a lot of hard work for his club which has worked out well.

 

I love the modern SJP and with it's city centre location is justifiably most opposition fans favourite away trip.

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I really love St James Park and appreciate it all the more after going to soulless identikit out of town stadia around the country. 

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Amongst all the outrage about the naming rights being sold, people seem to forget that SJH's plan A was to knock St James' down and build a new ground on the town moor & that he settled for plan B of renaming the Leazes End after himself.

 

Pleased plan A didn't come off, would hate us to be playing in a huge version of all the new 'flat pack' stadiums.

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Despite the turmoil we've suffered in the last few years, in many ways we're not in bad shape compared to other big clubs.

 

Bob Murray was extremely unpopular down the road but he also made some brave decisions and did a lot of hard work for his club which has worked out well.

I love the modern SJP and with it's city centre location is justifiably most opposition fans favourite away trip.

more so down to the nightlife and shopping than SJP methinks.

 

SJH nad fred gave us some fantastic times and the best football i've seen in my life....but they left no legacy.

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Up until 2004-5, I was more than happy with Shepherd as chairman, From around there until the club sale though he was a walking disaster and put us in deep s***. Had he not done that, SJH might not have been so desperate to bail out when he did.

Amongst all the outrage about the naming rights being sold, people seem to forget that SJH's plan A was to knock St James' down and build a new ground on the town moor & that he settled for plan B of renaming the Leazes End after himself.

 

Pleased plan A didn't come off, would hate us to be playing in a huge version of all the new 'flat pack' stadiums.

 

It would be great if people actually knew what they were talking about like?

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The stadium at the Castle Leazes site would have been fantastic. The book Fortress St James' has the architect designs that were knocked back thanks to the No Business on the Moor meddlers.

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So Shepherd didn't put the club at risk by overspending, making s*** managerial appointments, spending the sponsorship money for 4 years in one go?

 

if thats aimed at me?

 

I'll think you'll find that the Halls were still majority share holders, and as such ALL the crap regards managers etc had to be agreed by them also!!! its been done to death man. ffs

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The stadium at the Castle Leazes site would have been fantastic. The book Fortress St James' has the architect designs that were knocked back thanks to the No Business on the Moor meddlers.

 

exactly, it was nothing like these "boil in the bag" grounds we have now. the plans were amazing, and would have been at the time the biggest club ground in the uk.

 

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fucking do gooders!!

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/newcastle-divided-as-toon-army-aim-to-camp-on-the-moor-1315311.html

 

Newcastle United Football Club sparked uproar on Tyneside last night after unveiling a pounds 65m plan to build a new "super- stadium" on a historic swathe of land in the city's centre.

 

The club, whose team and supporters are known as the Toon army, wants to build a 55,000-seater stadium on Castle Leazes moor, which has been in common ownership for over 700 years. The move has caused a rift between councillors and outraged local protesters who have fought to preserve the open space from development.

 

The proposal follows months of behind-the-scenes wrangling between the club, council chiefs and City Freemen, who control the 1,300-acre moor. Sir John Hall, chairman of Newcastle who is turning the club into a Continental- style sporting club with teams playing several different sports, will be applying for planning permission for the stadium early in January and remains hopeful of getting council backing.

 

City councillors were given a sneak preview of the plans at a confidential briefing on Wednesday night and many emerged undecided. Outside the meeting, a group calling themselves No Business on the Moor handed councillors an 18,000-signature petition against the proposals.

 

John Shipley, leader of the Liberal Democrat opposition councillors on Newcastle City Council, called for a referendum of city taxpayers on whether the stadium plan should go ahead. Mr Shipley said that he was disappointed that the Labour group on the council had not thought it appropriate that the full council should debate the issue. Instead it was delegated to the development control committee.

 

"This is so important that it ought to have wider con- sultation and debate," he said.

 

Mr Shipley said that he would be calling on John Gummer, the Secretary of State for the Environment, to call a public inquiry into whether the stadium plan should be allowed.

 

Geoff O'Brien, a Labour councillor who represents the Moorside ward, said: "This is a very dramatic development and it is true that the club have taken steps to try and minimise any damage the development might have on the area.

 

"But at the end of the day it is not something I can support. The proposal put forward by the club still doesn't meet the needs of my constituents.

 

"The bottom line is it is going to involve a loss of open space on Castle Leazes."

 

Lucy Milton, of No Business on the Moor, said that the council and the football club were operating hand in glove.

 

"They are bypassing the normal procedure of going from committee to committee. It is totally partisan and thoroughly unacceptable. I am sure it is not something that the national Labour Party would approve of. The moor is the heart and lungs of the city."

 

The moor has been in common ownership for 700 years and provides a green area for recuperating patients at the nearby Royal Victoria Infirmary.

 

Ms Milton said that the traffic management implications of crowds of 55,000 were "horrific" and that if the scheme was allowed it could set a national trend. "If they get it here, what city centre park will be safe?" she asked.

 

Yesterday's announcement comes five months after Newcastle City Council took the unusual step of inviting the club to submit a planning application for the Castle Leazes site amid growing fears the club was set to quit the city boundaries for a new home in Gateshead across the River Tyne.

 

In a further twist to the saga it also emerged yesterday that four years ago Newcastle United actually opposed plans by a development company to build a large sports and music arena on a site adjacent to that proposed for the new football stadium.

 

A letter to the city council from the football club, seen by The Independent, contains objections to the proposal on the grounds that it would cause serious traffic problems.

 

Russell Cushing, the club's general manager, wrote: "The siting of another large entertainment venue in such close proximity, with apparently little or no provision for the parking of additional vehicles, would result in major safety management implications for both parties."

 

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So Shepherd didn't put the club at risk by overspending, making s*** managerial appointments, spending the sponsorship money for 4 years in one go?

 

if thats aimed at me?

 

I'll think you'll find that the Halls were still majority share holders, and as such ALL the crap regards managers etc had to be agreed by them also!!! its been done to death man. ffs

 

As chairman, the decisions were down to him.

 

At Arsenal, who do you think makes the footballing decisions? Major shareholders Usmanov & Kroenke, or chairman Peter Hill-Wood?

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Now I know these two are generally contentious figures when it comes to this club and hopefully this thread wont dig up old board stuff.

 

However, I was thinking recently, that while the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Portsmouth have failed very badly to upgrade their stadiums, Southampton completely bankrupted themselves doing theres, other clubs moving location and only filling out half capacity, Newcastle United and Hall and Shepherd rebuilt St. James' Park to meet the demands of the modern world.

 

I've often wondered what would have happenned without the stadium. Regardless it is not something to worry about.

 

Truth is that now the period of football is very much over, we are left with a great stadium that can get the 3rd highest attendance in the country every other week, where Newcastle fans can go to see the club play.

 

That alone is a huge legacy that not many chairman in the football club will leave behind.

 

Good OP. While I've slagged of Shepherd plenty on these board - and with good reason - both he and especially SJH were men with big visions. The execution might have left a bit to be desired but you can't knock the conviction. Personally i thought things went downhill when SJH stepped aside and Freddie took the reins, but we have a lot to be proud of it's true.

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The stadium at the Castle Leazes site would have been fantastic. The book Fortress St James' has the architect designs that were knocked back thanks to the No Business on the Moor meddlers.

 

Yeah I remember that...tree hugging bastards!

 

 

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Yesterday's announcement comes five months after Newcastle City Council took the unusual step of inviting the club to submit a planning application for the Castle Leazes site amid growing fears the club was set to quit the city boundaries for a new home in Gateshead across the River Tyne.

 

That would have gone down well.

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