Mick Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Gosling might be that player? I'm not even anti-Nolan anyway, he is more than adequate imo and we need to fill other positions before looking to replace him. Apart from a forward, I'd say a Nolan replacement should be next on the wishlist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Gosling might be that player? I'm not even anti-Nolan anyway, he is more than adequate imo and we need to fill other positions before looking to replace him. He's adequate for this season. If we want to be the team we can be we'll need to get someone else in that position next season whether it's Gosling, Vukic or a new signing. Or maybe even Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Gosling might be that player? I'm not even anti-Nolan anyway, he is more than adequate imo and we need to fill other positions before looking to replace him. He's adequate for this season. If we want to be the team we can be we'll need to get someone else in that position next season whether it's Gosling, Vukic or a new signing. Or maybe even Barton. I would sign two forwards, a left winger, back up right winger, back up left back, back up right back, a quality centre back and someone to back up Tiote before thinking about replacing Nolan. I am all for progressing and improving on the players we have but we need to fill gaps first. If Nolan was crocked we should have someone (Guthrie or Gosling) to step in his place. We would really struggle to fill the place of Barton, Enrique, Colo, Simpson, Tiote, Ben Arfa (currently being filled by Loven who will be older). Even Jonas who I am not a big fan of is a big miss at the moment simply because we only have a mostly untested kid in reserve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Gosling might be that player? I'm not even anti-Nolan anyway, he is more than adequate imo and we need to fill other positions before looking to replace him. He's adequate for this season. If we want to be the team we can be we'll need to get someone else in that position next season whether it's Gosling, Vukic or a new signing. Or maybe even Barton. I would sign two forwards, a left winger, back up right winger, back up left back, back up right back, a quality centre back and someone to back up Tiote before thinking about replacing Nolan. I am all for progressing and improving on the players we have but we need to fill gaps first. If Nolan was crocked we should have someone (Guthrie or Gosling) to step in his place. We would really struggle to fill the place of Barton, Enrique, Colo, Simpson, Tiote, Ben Arfa (currently being filled by Loven who will be older). Even Jonas who I am not a big fan of is a big miss at the moment simply because we only have a mostly untested kid in reserve. Tiote can be covered by Guthrie, Barton by Ireland if he stays, Simpson by Perch and Jonas by Ben Arfa or Marveaux if the rumours are true he's coming here next season. I would say Nolan's position is probably a key weakness in that for most teams it's the hub of the pass and move mantra. Not so much for long ball teams though, in which case he'd be a very strong player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I just have a very different opinion. Guthrie covering Tiote or Perch covering Simpson long term would be a disaster imo. Ben Arfa could cover Jonas but then we are a striker short meaning someone like Loven coming in. The rest are signing we haven't made yet which kind of backs up my point that we need to sign players in other areas before replacing Nolan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. I don't see Williamson throwing himself to the ground when he gets caught out of position, repeatedly. Then again, I don't see Williamson bombing forward down the right flank like the "White Cafu". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I just have a very different opinion. Guthrie covering Tiote or Perch covering Simpson long term would be a disaster imo. Ben Arfa could cover Jonas but then we are a striker short meaning someone like Loven coming in. The rest are signing we haven't made yet which kind of backs up my point that we need to sign players in other areas before replacing Nolan. Serious disaster, swap the hardest working player in our team with Guthrie or Ireland and the midfield is immediately fucked. Dunno about Gosling because I don't really know what sort of players he is...apart from an injured one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. I don't see Williamson throwing himself to the ground when he gets caught out of position, repeatedly. No, but he's been left literally on his arse enough times in recent months. Not to mention the wrestling at every free kick/corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Plenty of folks don't rate Taylor, and didn't before the contract situation. That's why some reacted so badly to his supposed demands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... I'm not denying that at all Nor am I denying that it coloured people's opinions of him. But many see Williamson as the safer and simpler defender. It's got nothing to do with what he what he demanded in his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Got to be said, Taylor's had 6 seasons in the PL. The fact you're pointing to half a season in The Championship as proof of his quality says it all. Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. http://www.pursuit.eu/rimages/hammare.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Got to be said, Taylor's had 6 seasons in the PL. The fact you're pointing to half a season in The Championship as proof of his quality says it all. Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. the lower end of the PL is about 14 or 15 clubs strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Got to be said, Taylor's had 6 seasons in the PL. The fact you're pointing to half a season in The Championship as proof of his quality says it all. Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... I'm not denying that at all Nor am I denying that it coloured people's opinions of him. But many see Williamson as the safer and simpler defender. It's got nothing to do with what he what he demanded in his contract. So people's opinion of Taylor is coloured, but their opinion of him has nothing to do with what he demanded in his contract. Mmm... Again, I'm not saying Taylor is as good as Colo, just that I can't see why people should see Williamson as in any way "safe" after mistakes in the numerous games mentioned. Mistakes which, to my mind, were worse than I've seen Taylor make. As for the argument re Taylor only performing in the Championship, I don't remember him being particularly to blame for us getting relegated. In fact, I remember him as one of our better performers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Got to be said, Taylor's had 6 seasons in the PL. The fact you're pointing to half a season in The Championship as proof of his quality says it all. Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. Says a man who insisted not so long ago that Taylor would and should come in for Williamson when fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 No matter who is best between Williamson and Taylor, Williamson and Coloccini is so amazingly good together that you should´brake that. was listening to a football program and they hit the head at the nail. "when the center pairing is good, the whole team plays good". Why the hell should we break that pairing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Underrated is big Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Said it before - a CB pairing is more than the sum of it's parts. If the two complement eachother it is that discussion that is key. The individual talents are a post script IMO. Cole looks better with Williamson beside hime and vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Said it before - a CB pairing is more than the sum of it's parts. If the two complement eachother it is that discussion that is key. The individual talents are a post script IMO. Cole looks better with Williamson beside hime and vice versa. In general and in particular the last two games they've been excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Curls Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 No nonsense defender, I like him personally. I like Taylor as a player but why change a good thing when we have no need to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENKAAA Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I went to the Birmingham match last week and thought Colo and Williamson had good games. Williamson dealt well with Zigic and has no fear when he has to put his body on the line while Colo made sure Martins was kept quiet. Taylor will have to work hard to disturb the current setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 People prefer Williamson because they 'swallowed the club's story about Taylor's wage saga' - I've heard it all now I can't see many holding that opinion, and as someone who prefers Williamson it's got nothing to do with Taylor's contract. So you're denying that there was significant dissent on this forum towards Taylor while the contract thing dragged on? You're denying that coloured people's opinions of him, despite him barely putting a foot wrong when fit last season? Yep, heard it all now... Got to be said, Taylor's had 6 seasons in the PL. The fact you're pointing to half a season in The Championship as proof of his quality says it all. Ultimately, both Taylor and Williamson are lower-end PL defenders. The players around them on the pitch have lots of quality and consistency, so replacing one or both is not a major priority at this moment. Says a man who insisted not so long ago that Taylor would and should come in for Williamson when fit. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikos34 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Until Williamson gives Pardew a reason to drop him with a bad performance or a suspension, then there is no way Taylor should be brought back in at the moment. Leaving Williamson in the side will keep him confident and should at the same time give Taylor an incentive to get himself fit and motivated. Competition is essential and Williamson will know he has to perform. I have been quite suprised with the amount of anti-Taylor views on here actually, even after his contract dispute. I have always quite liked him and would have thought about putting him in at right back alongside Willicini at one time but in recent weeks I think Danny Simpson has arguably been our best player, definitely the most improved anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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