Mick Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 It's called 'Textiles'. Actually. Grandad. I was informing the uneducated, I knew that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Cancel the loans then. Oh no, he cant because LLL says if we go bust that would mean hed lose the money. Odd, that he doesnt want to risk losing the money one minute but is apparently happy to never get it back the next. We are no better off if he cancels the loans. If things went badly then he would be our biggest creditor and because of that he would be entitled to get a share of whatever cash the club brought in, if he cancels the loans then he isn't. We're no better off if he does cancel the loans than we are now with the loans that we're not paying back. At least he has a little security as things stand now and he must deserve that, mustn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I don’t understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. He’s not Mother Teresa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I dont understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. Hes not Mother Teresa. Where was she taking profits from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I don’t understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. He’s not Mother Teresa. He hasn't taken a penny yet so why worry about something which hasn't happened and might never happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I don’t understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. He’s not Mother Teresa. Where was she taking profits from? The bitch is making profit from us?!? YOU OLD, DEAD, ALBANIAN NUN, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I'd love to see a 13th place finish really, that's probably the most realistic hope. Surviving is a must though, first of all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 FWIW, I would accept crap football for next season only, just aslong as we stay up. We've accepted it this season,so as long as we don't godown,i'd accept it next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I don’t understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. He’s not Mother Teresa. Where was she taking profits from? The bitch is making profit from us?!? YOU OLD, DEAD, ALBANIAN NUN, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaehyun Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I'mma put my neck on the line and say we'll finish 15th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Anyone stupid enough to say 'I would rather go down than play poor football and stay up' where the fuck have you been the past 5 years? Wake up man we have been shocking to watch 95% of the time since Robson(and a few years before him too) and if we can stay up next year them maybe just maybe we can build and move on. We will never amount to anything taking the WBA approach. Yes our expectations have been drastically lowered, we all know why but I for one never want to see this bastard league again in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Fair enough but some teams have spent the last 10 years in that division staying up by any means possible. Theres no reason to assume it would be any different the following year or the year after that. The longer we're back in the division the better it will be for us. We've lost a fortune this season and that will take time to get over. We'll not manage that in 1 season, it might take a couple. More like ten years if Ashley uses any profits we make to start paying off his loans. Speculation. If we repay £15m a season it would take ten years to pay off the £150m he’s lent the club. How much profit do you think we’re going to be making? No interest? Kind of him. I can't possibly answer this question until August, circumstances could change drastically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Even before strengthening the current squad we would probably have a decent chance of staying up. We've got to pick up more points than three teams from the two promoted Championship clubs and whoever doesn't get relegated from the Premiership this season I.e. the likes of Bolton, Burnley, Hull, Wolves, Wigan, Portsmouth, West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke. With the players playing as a team this season for a manager they like and with relative stability off the pitch (unlike last season) it should be very possible. With the state of most football club's finances I can't imagine the teams I've mentioned doing any major squad strengthening. A lot of them will be getting rid of players to try to balance their books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Fair enough but some teams have spent the last 10 years in that division staying up by any means possible. Theres no reason to assume it would be any different the following year or the year after that. The longer we're back in the division the better it will be for us. We've lost a fortune this season and that will take time to get over. We'll not manage that in 1 season, it might take a couple. More like ten years if Ashley uses any profits we make to start paying off his loans. Speculation. If we repay £15m a season it would take ten years to pay off the £150m he’s lent the club. How much profit do you think we’re going to be making? No interest? Kind of him. I can't possibly answer this question until August, circumstances could change drastically. Not much point charging yourself interest, though there is an option to charge interest on the £100m loan. Presumably this was put in place in anticipation of the club being sold with its debts intact. Again, not the action of a man who isn’t looking to get his money back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 I understand that. What I don’t understand is this reluctance to accept that he might be looking to have the loans repaid out of any future profits the club might make. He’s not Mother Teresa. He hasn't taken a penny yet so why worry about something which hasn't happened and might never happen? Taking money out of the club and then loaning it money to cover the operating losses would be pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Taking money out of the club and then loaning it money to cover the operating losses would be pointless. Plenty have taken money out and saddled us with loans to cover it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Voted yes but I don't see why we shouldn't be looking to achieve what Birmingham have this season. Tbh with a few decent signings we should survive comfortably considering the amount of crap teams in the bottom half of the prem, unfortunately a few decent signings has been wishful thinking in recent seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Voted yes but I don't see why we shouldn't be looking to achieve what Birmingham have this season. Tbh with a few decent signings we should survive comfortably considering the amount of crap teams in the bottom half of the prem, unfortunately a few decent signings has been wishful thinking in recent seasons. There aren't many newly promoted teams push on like Birmingham have. We have to be realistic and assume that its more likely we take the route of a struggling first season back. Also, their upsurge in form coincided with a change of club ownership Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Voted yes but I don't see why we shouldn't be looking to achieve what Birmingham have this season. Tbh with a few decent signings we should survive comfortably considering the amount of crap teams in the bottom half of the prem, unfortunately a few decent signings has been wishful thinking in recent seasons. There aren't many newly promoted teams push on like Birmingham have. We have to be realistic and assume that its more likely we take the route of a struggling first season back. Also, their upsurge in form coincided with a change of club ownership Although I agree, I just don't think I can bring myself to simply wish for safety. It just doesn't seem right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Taking money out of the club and then loaning it money to cover the operating losses would be pointless. Plenty have taken money out and saddled us with loans to cover it. But they weren’t borrowing money off themselves were they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 To make his money back off the club without selling, the way football clubs make money, he'd have to stay here until the day he dies And even then he'd probably only get half back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Fair enough but some teams have spent the last 10 years in that division staying up by any means possible. Theres no reason to assume it would be any different the following year or the year after that. The longer we're back in the division the better it will be for us. We've lost a fortune this season and that will take time to get over. We'll not manage that in 1 season, it might take a couple. More like ten years if Ashley uses any profits we make to start paying off his loans. Speculation. If we repay £15m a season it would take ten years to pay off the £150m he’s lent the club. How much profit do you think we’re going to be making? No interest? Kind of him. I can't possibly answer this question until August, circumstances could change drastically. Not much point charging yourself interest, though there is an option to charge interest on the £100m loan. Presumably this was put in place in anticipation of the club being sold with its debts intact. Again, not the action of a man who isn’t looking to get his money back. It would be wise of him to take over his own club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 There's no appreciable difference between 8th and 17th place, and we certainly haven't got a popsicle's chance in hell of making 7th, so yes the goal is no more than to stay up. And I think we can do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Seens this is a next season thread, who would you keep in the starting eleven next term? I don't think we're a massive way off being a Premier League side but a centre mid and a striker have to be top priorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 17th would have to be regarded as a success. You would like to think however that if the players gave 100% every game, you'd finish higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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