Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I dont think we need another defensive CM. Smith, Perch and even Colo (i know their not ideal) can play that position if need be. A creative midfielder if far more important. In order of importance we need: 1) A first choice striker with pace 2) A creative CM 3) A left back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Agree with 1 and 3, but I think Barton, Guthrie and possibly Gosling will be adequate creative midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I dont think we need another defensive CM. Smith, Perch and even Colo (i know their not ideal) can play that position if need be. A creative midfielder if far more important. In order of importance we need: 1) A first choice striker with pace 2) A creative CM 3) A left back I agree with this. A water carrier type of player would be nice but a striker and attacking CM are much more important. Guthrie is capable of creating stuff but he sits too far back to be a real playmaker, Barton hasn't done it for us so far so I'm not willing to rely on him and wecan't rely on Gosling because of his injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Barton and Gosling are more box-to-box dynamic than creative in the traditional sense. Guthrie just doesn't have enough about him physically to be relied upon in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sicko is pretty close. We do desperately need decent wing cover too. We will be getting a LB, if hughton didn't rate kadar there in the championship and got cover in, we will be doing the same now. I think we are still after a striker, surely one of best or xisco have to be moved on if we do, I think the options are still open on that one with ranger and best looking ok and xisco looking determined to stay. Let's hope not. An attacking cm would be nice, might well get someone that can play both in the centre or out wide like cleverley. Or a pacey striker that could also play AM. A good DM would be great but I think the other positions are more pressing and hughton is happy with either barton/guthrie deep or smith. I think we are still after those three but time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Transfer stories seem to have dried up these last few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Transfer stories seem to have dried up these last few days. Thats a good sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. He's a much better bet than Smith, but I don't want to see him starting regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. He's a much better bet than Smith, but I don't want to see him starting regularly. He's a better bet than Nolan aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? He needs to be put on a weight-training program designed for strength and hypertrophy. His natural fitness is also poor so he needs to be working a tad harder than the average footballer on his cardiovascular endurance. Interval training such as sprints would probably be most appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? He needs to be put on a weight-training program designed for strength and hypertrophy. His natural fitness is also poor so he needs to be working a tad harder than the average footballer on his cardiovascular endurance. Interval training such as sprints would probably be most appropriate. Colo has a number of physical deficiencies which will be highlighted next season as it is a step up in power and pace. I really feel Campbell and Taylor will be our first choice when both fit as i can see Colo being roasted on a number of occasions, not only by the usual suspects of Drogba, Adebayor and Van Persie, but more importantly by the likes of K.Davies, Fuller, Zamora, Saha, Bent etc. He is not quick, strong or particularly good in the air, what he is, is a good footballer nothing more nothing less. In this league that counts for less than the aforementioned three qualities! See Samba, Faye, Hangeland as examples Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? He needs to be put on a weight-training program designed for strength and hypertrophy. His natural fitness is also poor so he needs to be working a tad harder than the average footballer on his cardiovascular endurance. Interval training such as sprints would probably be most appropriate. Very interesting. My next question which sadly can't be answered, is why does our club never do this. It's almost Sunday league in approach, the players keep themselves fit, with no apparent work on developing the physical weaknesses of certain players. Guthrie is a good technical player, with the occasional spark of creativity, but he is chronically held back by his lack of, pace, stamina or strength. Why the club isn't looking to work on that is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I read an interview with Colo a few months back in which he said he was using the gym after training to lift weights and had gained 5 kilos or so because of it. Perhaps the club have implemented personally-tailored training, or he could he have just decided himself that he needed to do it. Either way, Guthrie (and a few others) should be involved in the same thing. A 'one size' approach suits nobody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 It's ashame that naturally talented centre backs can't flourish in the Premiership and instead are forced to bulk up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 A 'one size' approach suits nobody. Especially seeing as we didn't retain Fitzy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 It's ashame that naturally talented centre backs can't flourish in the Premiership and instead are forced to bulk up. That's what makes the PL great, though, a combination of ability and athleticism. But it's certainly gone too far in the last few years, thanks in no small part to a certain couple of managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 A 'one size' approach suits nobody. Especially seeing as we didn't retain Fitzy. I knew that was coming, thought it would be Cajun, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I thought this thread was called Transfer rumours in the press? not my rumours as that's another thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Nobody has been discussing your rumours, Pedro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrBrown Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? He needs to be put on a weight-training program designed for strength and hypertrophy. His natural fitness is also poor so he needs to be working a tad harder than the average footballer on his cardiovascular endurance. Interval training such as sprints would probably be most appropriate. Very interesting. My next question which sadly can't be answered, is why does our club never do this. It's almost Sunday league in approach, the players keep themselves fit, with no apparent work on developing the physical weaknesses of certain players. Guthrie is a good technical player, with the occasional spark of creativity, but he is chronically held back by his lack of, pace, stamina or strength. Why the club isn't looking to work on that is beyond me. How do you have any idea what the club does or doesn't do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I guess Colocinni is definitely physical enough for the Prem then? No, not defintely. Guthrie on the other hand defintely isn't. I'd be interested to see how you would use Guthrie, and would you adapt his training at all? He needs to be put on a weight-training program designed for strength and hypertrophy. His natural fitness is also poor so he needs to be working a tad harder than the average footballer on his cardiovascular endurance. Interval training such as sprints would probably be most appropriate. Very interesting. My next question which sadly can't be answered, is why does our club never do this. It's almost Sunday league in approach, the players keep themselves fit, with no apparent work on developing the physical weaknesses of certain players. Guthrie is a good technical player, with the occasional spark of creativity, but he is chronically held back by his lack of, pace, stamina or strength. Why the club isn't looking to work on that is beyond me. How do you have any idea what the club does or doesn't do? oooooooooooooh! http://intheircloset.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/rebecca-minkoff-supernova-stud-devote-handbag-ebony-black.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I read an interview with Colo a few months back in which he said he was using the gym after training to lift weights and had gained 5 kilos or so because of it. Perhaps the club have implemented personally-tailored training, or he could he have just decided himself that he needed to do it. Either way, Guthrie (and a few others) should be involved in the same thing. A 'one size' approach suits nobody. Training people for something they are not naturally built for and neglecting their strengths is asking to be raped! Fucking going on about Guthries weaknesses for months man. All this we must bulk up, you work for Holland & Barrett or something? You sound very impssive going on about hypertrophy etc but its all bollocks like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I thought this thread was called Transfer rumours in the press? not my rumours as that's another thread. You'll soon realize it's all the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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