José Mourinho

[The College Dropout]

Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash.

 

Never won the Champions League. Had a competitive team for 10 years. 1 final. The same amount of league titles in the PL as Jose. Again, Arsene was a great manager but wouldn't put him above Jose. I think Jose wins the league or CL with a couple Arsenal sides between 05-15 imo. Jose was a better manager than Jose for at least a decade. Let's not pretend.

[The College Dropout]

I think it's time for Jose to join Rafa and manage a crap side with humility.

[AsprillasShinPad]

Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash.

 

Never won the Champions League. Had a competitive team for 10 years. 1 final. The same amount of league titles in the PL as Jose. Again, Arsene was a great manager but wouldn't put him above Jose. I think Jose wins the league or CL with a couple Arsenal sides between 05-15 imo. Jose was a better manager than Jose for at least a decade. Let's not pretend.

 

Two Jose's? No wonder he was good. No need for an assistant.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I'd probably go

 

Last 10/15 years

 

Guardiola, Mourinho, Zidane, Klopp, Simeone etc

 

Last 20/25 years

 

Ferguson, Ancelotti, Trapatoni, Lippi, Hiddink, Hitzfeld, Van Gaal etc

[toon25]

How much have they had to pay him?

[samptime29]

He does need a rest like. I'm intrigued if he had a good 6 months off, if that would help him re-cover his zest.

 

I love his achievement with Porto, UEFA Cup in 2002/03 and then Champs League 2003/04 - that was hugely impressive with that team.

[Froggy]

How much have they had to pay him?

 

£18m.

[Fugazi]

Fucking manager payoff is more than we've ever spent a player

[Froggy]

He does need a rest like. I'm intrigued if he had a good 6 months off, if that would help him re-cover his zest.

 

I love his achievement with Porto, UEFA Cup in 2002/03 and then Champs League 2003/04 - that was hugely impressive with that team.

 

He had 5-6 months off before joining us. He's just done at the top level unless he changes his philosphy.

[The College Dropout]

Klopp a man that has lost 7 cup finals in a row over Jose? Madness.

 

Short memories. Porto winning the UEFA Cup and Champions League in consecutive years is a bigger achievement than anything Klopp or Simeone have achieved. It's only behind Leicester and Greece in European football upsets in the last 20 years. And it's arguably the least "flukey" of the 3.

[samptime29]

Loved the Inter run aswell - that uber defensive performance in Barca was pure sex.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off.

[Froggy]

How can people try and say Leicester winning the league was flukey at all? There's 38 fucking games.

[The College Dropout]

How can people try and say Leicester winning the league was flukey at all? There's 38 fucking games.

 

Flukey's the wrong word. It wasn't flukey at all. It just had the perfect set of circumstances to come to fruition. Like I think Rafa's best Liverpool side that finished 2nd that year would've won that league title in the Leicester year.

 

The point was moreso, that Porto side was legitimately a top side for those couple seasons under Jose. Even though they had their fair share of luck. Jose proved he could do similar and put together similar teams for the following decade (with nice big budgets).It wasn't a set of circumstances perfectly executed in a season or moment. But a methodology that would be successful for the next 12 years or so.

 

Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off.

 

Whoever said Klopp has been a better manager in the last 15 years.

[geordiedean]

People ho are saying hes one of the greatest managers ever need to remember

 

He has been sacked from every club hes been to bar 1

[The College Dropout]

People ho are saying hes one of the greatest managers ever need to remember

 

He has been sacked from every club hes been to bar 1

 

I think that prevents him being discussed as the greatest ever imo. because his achievements puts him right up there. At one point he was trending towards "the greatest ever" but not anymore. Guardiola is still on that path.

 

There was a 12 year period where a top club hired Jose Mourinho, any league, he would win you the league within 2 seasons. And you would go deep into the CL. That was the task at Real, Inter and Chelsea. Good managers like Pellegrini and Emery failed to do so when tasked with similar jobs.

 

Rafa's won less in his career and I reckon he's top 10 in the last 10/15 years. So Jose has got to be top 5.

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off.

 

Whoever said Klopp has been a better manager in the last 15 years.

 

I meant specifically who, but never mind.

[The College Dropout]

It's good for the sport that the best managers now aren't the likes of Jose and Rafa. You still have your Conte's and Simeone's but they aren't getting the very top jobs.

 

Heynckes is a shout. Won 2 CLs 20 years apart.

[leffe186]

Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash.

 

Not much cash? Naah. Net transfer spend? Sure. But they consistently spent shit-loads on wages, and as soon as Chelsea started spending he stopped winning stuff. The frugal years were between 2006 and 2013, when he won precisely zip, and even Spurs won a trophy. Then after that he - or the higher-ups - really did start to splash the cash.

[The College Dropout]

There was a stat that Arsenal had spent the most money on their squad when Wenger won his first 2 league titles. But the 3rd, The Invincibles was the first of the PL era to win the league and not be one of the two teams spending the most money on their squad.

 

2006 to 2013 he kept them competitive although a couple of times they should've gone closer to the title based on the squad.

 

The last 3/4 years or so, he was clearly done. But he did a good job before that. Even when he was done he won FA Cups. Spurs could only dream of being such a great spent force.

[leffe186]

There was a stat that Arsenal had spent the most money on their squad when Wenger won his first 2 league titles. But the 3rd, The Invincibles was the first of the PL era to win the league and not be one of the two teams spending the most money on their squad.

 

2006 to 2013 he kept them competitive although a couple of times they should've gone closer to the title based on the squad.

 

The last 3/4 years or so, he was clearly done. But he did a good job before that. Even when he was done he won FA Cups. Spurs could only dream of being such a great spent force.

 

We could only dream of spending the money they were spending, and we've been better over those years. Would be nice to win something though . Would also be nice if Man City and Chelsea fucked off, but there you go.

[The College Dropout]

There was a stat that Arsenal had spent the most money on their squad when Wenger won his first 2 league titles. But the 3rd, The Invincibles was the first of the PL era to win the league and not be one of the two teams spending the most money on their squad.

 

2006 to 2013 he kept them competitive although a couple of times they should've gone closer to the title based on the squad.

 

The last 3/4 years or so, he was clearly done. But he did a good job before that. Even when he was done he won FA Cups. Spurs could only dream of being such a great spent force.

 

We could only dream of spending the money they were spending, and we've been better over those years. Would be nice to win something though . Would also be nice if Man City and Chelsea fucked off, but there you go.

 

Aye you've been better but won nowt. I think the fact Arsene is undoubtedly a winner helped him win those. IIRC they beat teams better than them, that had also beat Spurs to win 2 finals.

 

That's the one thing with Poch and Klopp (he's won stuff but also lost an amazing amount of finals). If Jose had such competitive teams, he would've won a trophy by now with both clubs.

[triggs]

Leffe absolutely loves mentioning that Spurs don’t spend any money whenever other big team’s finances are brought up

[triggs]

There was a stat that Arsenal had spent the most money on their squad when Wenger won his first 2 league titles. But the 3rd, The Invincibles was the first of the PL era to win the league and not be one of the two teams spending the most money on their squad.

 

2006 to 2013 he kept them competitive although a couple of times they should've gone closer to the title based on the squad.

 

The last 3/4 years or so, he was clearly done. But he did a good job before that. Even when he was done he won FA Cups. Spurs could only dream of being such a great spent force.

 

We could only dream of spending the money they were spending, and we've been better over those years. Would be nice to win something though . Would also be nice if Man City and Chelsea f***ed off, but there you go.

 

Aye you've been better but won nowt. I think the fact Arsene is undoubtedly a winner helped him win those. IIRC they beat teams better than them, that had also beat Spurs to win 2 finals.

 

That's the one thing with Poch and Klopp (he's won stuff but also lost an amazing amount of finals). If Jose had such competitive teams, he would've won a trophy by now with both clubs.

He wouldn’t have made Spurs or Liverpool that good though which is a major thing you’ve left out

[Raconteur]

Loved the Inter run aswell - that uber defensive performance in Barca was pure sex.

 

That whole Inter spell has an asterisk next to it anyway. I follow nerazzuri in Italy, and I’ve always had this resentment that Mourinho was in charge when they finally won the Serie A. The state Italian football was in at the time, Pardew might have won the scudetto with Inter...