Disco Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Rafa Out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He’s an asshole but I still can’t help but admire the guy. One of the greatest managers ever. Hope he takes some time off, finds a bit of humility, and comes roaring back with some less-heralded European club. One of the greatest managers ever??.....absolute bullshit Wherever he has been hes been handed open chequebooks to buy whoever he wants to buy, he then goes on to destroy certain players morale and confidence. He never lasts more than 3 years at a club as he gets found out and cant deal with dressing rooms He never brings on youth or academy players as he cant work with them To say hes one of the greatest managers ever is absolute nonsense they guy is an absolute self obsessed egotistical cunt...he is done with top clubs and will never get a top job again He won league league titles in four different countries He won the Champions League with two different sides, one of which was a huge underdog. He won the treble with Inter Milan. 8 league titles, 8 domestic cup trophies, 4 major European trophies. His style is no longer effective but if that haul doesn't qualify you as one of the greatest ever I'm not sure what does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He’s an asshole but I still can’t help but admire the guy. One of the greatest managers ever. Hope he takes some time off, finds a bit of humility, and comes roaring back with some less-heralded European club. One of the greatest managers ever??.....absolute bullshit Wherever he has been hes been handed open chequebooks to buy whoever he wants to buy, he then goes on to destroy certain players morale and confidence. He never lasts more than 3 years at a club as he gets found out and cant deal with dressing rooms He never brings on youth or academy players as he cant work with them To say hes one of the greatest managers ever is absolute nonsense they guy is an absolute self obsessed egotistical cunt...he is done with top clubs and will never get a top job again He won league league titles in four different countries He won the Champions League with two different sides, one of which was a huge underdog. He won the treble with Inter Milan. 8 league titles, 8 domestic cup trophies, 4 major European trophies. His style is no longer effective but if that haul doesn't qualify you as one of the greatest ever I'm not sure what does. All of those that have won more presumably. GD's post is OTT, but I think Mourinho's lack of longevity both overall and at each individual club takes him out of the GOAT discussion. Undoubtedly a trailblazer though. I think everyone's just a bit fucking exhausted with his bullshit now, possibly him included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Aye he's had a great run. And if he can adjust he can continue. He's been one of the greatest ever. If he wants to do club management he may have to go to a secondary tier type top European club. But even lots of those want good football. I'm thinking PSG, Dortmund and Napoli but even they have managers that usually play good football. Think Perez still likes Jose. And nearly all the super anti-Mourinho brigade have left Real Madrid in terms of players. It would just be Ramos and Marcelo left from the main adversaries. And for better and worse, it's no coincidence Real Madrid have had their most successful period in the 5/6 years after he left. He brought Real back up to the very top of European football, competing in semi finals year in year out when they didn't do that for 6/7 years prior. While he provided the foundations of their success it needed someone else to take it to the next level. Less dour managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 At his peak, his style worked at clubs that had the cash. That is undeniable. The game has changed, but he hasn't and now that there are much better managers who also have the transfer budgets, he's been found wanting, hence the sackings. Good manager in his peak who did well given the circumstances - yes. He was the right man at the right place at the right time. Great manager? I think the last few years have massively tarnished the 'Great One' rep he'd built up and make it hard to say he was truly great. He really needs some time away from the game - he seems a bit of a busted flush at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 European coaches of the last 15/20 years he's got to be top 5, no? Guardiola Ferguson Ancelotti Zidane The likes of Klopp and Simeone just haven't won enough for me to put them above Jose overall. Zidane just because he won almost everything for 2.5 years straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 At his peak, his style worked at clubs that had the cash. That is undeniable. The game has changed, but he hasn't and now that there are much better managers who also have the transfer budgets, he's been found wanting, hence the sackings. Good manager in his peak who did well given the circumstances - yes. He was the right man at the right place at the right time. Great manager? I think the last few years have massively tarnished the 'Great One' rep he'd built up and make it hard to say he was truly great. He really needs some time away from the game - he seems a bit of a busted flush at the minute. "Good" managers don't win 8 league titles in 4 countries man. He wasn't a flash in the pan, he's had what - 10/15 years at the very top of the game. Rafa's a GREAT manager and he had maybe 10 years at the very top. It's also very difficult to get the very best players to perform the way you want. That's why Klopp and Simeone haven't joined superclubs imo. Their style suits less glamorous players. They couldn't manage Cristiano Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash. Never won the Champions League. Had a competitive team for 10 years. 1 final. The same amount of league titles in the PL as Jose. Again, Arsene was a great manager but wouldn't put him above Jose. I think Jose wins the league or CL with a couple Arsenal sides between 05-15 imo. Jose was a better manager than Jose for at least a decade. Let's not pretend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think it's time for Jose to join Rafa and manage a crap side with humility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Wenger? Won plenty with not much cash. Never won the Champions League. Had a competitive team for 10 years. 1 final. The same amount of league titles in the PL as Jose. Again, Arsene was a great manager but wouldn't put him above Jose. I think Jose wins the league or CL with a couple Arsenal sides between 05-15 imo. Jose was a better manager than Jose for at least a decade. Let's not pretend. Two Jose's? No wonder he was good. No need for an assistant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I'd probably go Last 10/15 years Guardiola, Mourinho, Zidane, Klopp, Simeone etc Last 20/25 years Ferguson, Ancelotti, Trapatoni, Lippi, Hiddink, Hitzfeld, Van Gaal etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 How much have they had to pay him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He does need a rest like. I'm intrigued if he had a good 6 months off, if that would help him re-cover his zest. I love his achievement with Porto, UEFA Cup in 2002/03 and then Champs League 2003/04 - that was hugely impressive with that team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 How much have they had to pay him? £18m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Fucking manager payoff is more than we've ever spent a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He does need a rest like. I'm intrigued if he had a good 6 months off, if that would help him re-cover his zest. I love his achievement with Porto, UEFA Cup in 2002/03 and then Champs League 2003/04 - that was hugely impressive with that team. He had 5-6 months off before joining us. He's just done at the top level unless he changes his philosphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Klopp a man that has lost 7 cup finals in a row over Jose? Madness. Short memories. Porto winning the UEFA Cup and Champions League in consecutive years is a bigger achievement than anything Klopp or Simeone have achieved. It's only behind Leicester and Greece in European football upsets in the last 20 years. And it's arguably the least "flukey" of the 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Loved the Inter run aswell - that uber defensive performance in Barca was pure sex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 How can people try and say Leicester winning the league was flukey at all? There's 38 fucking games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 How can people try and say Leicester winning the league was flukey at all? There's 38 fucking games. Flukey's the wrong word. It wasn't flukey at all. It just had the perfect set of circumstances to come to fruition. Like I think Rafa's best Liverpool side that finished 2nd that year would've won that league title in the Leicester year. The point was moreso, that Porto side was legitimately a top side for those couple seasons under Jose. Even though they had their fair share of luck. Jose proved he could do similar and put together similar teams for the following decade (with nice big budgets).It wasn't a set of circumstances perfectly executed in a season or moment. But a methodology that would be successful for the next 12 years or so. Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off. Whoever said Klopp has been a better manager in the last 15 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 People ho are saying hes one of the greatest managers ever need to remember He has been sacked from every club hes been to bar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 People ho are saying hes one of the greatest managers ever need to remember He has been sacked from every club hes been to bar 1 I think that prevents him being discussed as the greatest ever imo. because his achievements puts him right up there. At one point he was trending towards "the greatest ever" but not anymore. Guardiola is still on that path. There was a 12 year period where a top club hired Jose Mourinho, any league, he would win you the league within 2 seasons. And you would go deep into the CL. That was the task at Real, Inter and Chelsea. Good managers like Pellegrini and Emery failed to do so when tasked with similar jobs. Rafa's won less in his career and I reckon he's top 10 in the last 10/15 years. So Jose has got to be top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Who are you responding to? Genuine question before you kick off. Whoever said Klopp has been a better manager in the last 15 years. I meant specifically who, but never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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