Spain win World Cup 2010

[Gash]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

[Keefaz]

I don't fucking know. All I know is the players looked alright until they got to the finals and now they look fucking awful.

[Mike]

I'll tell you who you're missing. Owen.

 

Icarus still awake.

[Keefaz]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

Confronted David Beckham? Hardly his fault is it?

[Ronaldo]

I think the fact that WC represents last chance saloon for many of  them isn't helping. Team selection has obviously been terrible, not to mention the lack of a genuine playmaker.

 

There's no excuse for the likes of Heskey, SWP and Carragher to be in the team though, we have a lot better than that at our disposal.

[Village Idiot]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

And he stole the #10 shirt and wore it during the match, it seems.

[Minhosa]

I think the fact that WC represents last chance saloon for many of  them isn't helping. Team selection has obviously been terrible, not to mention the lack of a genuine playmaker.

 

There's no excuse for the likes of Heskey, SWP and Carragher to be in the team though, we have a lot better than that at our disposal.

 

Theres no excuse for them being in the squad let alone the team.

 

[Mike]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

Harsh on Joe Cole to refer to him as a fan.

[CaliMag]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

Confronted David Beckham? Hardly his fault is it?

He had to go and get injured didn't he...

[Foluwashola]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

[CaliMag]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

Harsh on Joe Cole to refer to him as a fan.

[Keefaz]

A fan has got into the England dressing room and confronted David Beckham, Princes William + Harry were in there 5 mins before so say 5Live

 

And he stole the #10 shirt and wore it during the match, it seems.

 

Wahey!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's depressing that we have so many better players on the bench than on the pitch.

 

Dawson is better than Carragher, J Cole is better on the left than Gerrard, Crouch and Defoe are both better than Heskey.

 

Turns out Capello isn't a genius I suppose.

[Gash]

Lets look at the positives aye? We win 5 games in a row and we're champions of the world!

[pedro111]

I'll tell you who you're missing. Owen.

 

Icarus still awake.

 

Totally agree. He's class for England, man.

[Keefaz]

Roy Hodgson's in South Africa. Is it too late to get him in?

[Ronaldo]

I think the fact that WC represents last chance saloon for many of  them isn't helping. Team selection has obviously been terrible, not to mention the lack of a genuine playmaker.

 

There's no excuse for the likes of Heskey, SWP and Carragher to be in the team though, we have a lot better than that at our disposal.

 

Theres no excuse for them being in the squad let alone the team.

 

 

SWP and Carragher, certainly. There's an arguement for Heskey to be there because of our lack of striking options.

[Minhosa]

I think the fact that WC represents last chance saloon for many of  them isn't helping. Team selection has obviously been terrible, not to mention the lack of a genuine playmaker.

 

There's no excuse for the likes of Heskey, SWP and Carragher to be in the team though, we have a lot better than that at our disposal.

 

Theres no excuse for them being in the squad let alone the team.

 

 

SWP and Carragher, certainly. There's an arguement for Heskey to be there because of our lack of striking options.

 

Yeah probably right but it says alot for our nations striking talent that he's a starter/guaranteed a squad place at least.

 

 

 

 

[ponsaelius]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

They're all desperately limited technically and rely on other players at club level to give them the platform to use their strengths. Their ability to do the basics in trapping the ball, passing economically, retaining the football, playing triangles etc is non-existant. That's why in an international situation where the necessity to treasure the ball and break teams down is impossible. Often we overpower teams but even Mexico and Japan were able to maintain possession and do the basics better than we were, it's absolutely fucking embarrasing.

[Minhosa]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

They're all desperately limited technically and rely on other players at club level to give them the platform to use their strengths. Their ability to do the basics in trapping the ball, passing economically, retaining the football, playing triangles etc is non-existant. That's why in an international situation where the necessity to treasure the ball and break teams down is impossible. Often we overpower teams but even Mexico and Japan were able to maintain possession and do the basics better than we were, it's absolutely fucking embarrasing.

 

Do you think then, based upon that, that a Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney wouldn't get in many of the other 32 teams?

 

Spain apart they'd walk into pretty much every other team imho.

[Foluwashola]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

They're all desperately limited technically and rely on other players at club level to give them the platform to use their strengths. Their ability to do the basics in trapping the ball, passing economically, retaining the football, playing triangles etc is non-existant. That's why in an international situation where the necessity to treasure the ball and break teams down is impossible. Often we overpower teams but even Mexico and Japan were able to maintain possession and do the basics better than we were, it's absolutely f***ing embarrasing.

 

Honestly think changing the system could solve the majority of these problems.

 

A midfield of Barry, Lennon, Cole, Gerrard, Lampard would have it in them to dominate the majority of teams on the tournament imo, especially the likes of fucking Algeria.

[ponsaelius]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

They're all desperately limited technically and rely on other players at club level to give them the platform to use their strengths. Their ability to do the basics in trapping the ball, passing economically, retaining the football, playing triangles etc is non-existant. That's why in an international situation where the necessity to treasure the ball and break teams down is impossible. Often we overpower teams but even Mexico and Japan were able to maintain possession and do the basics better than we were, it's absolutely f***ing embarrasing.

 

Do you think then, based upon that, that a Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney wouldn't get in many of the other 32 teams?

 

Spain apart they'd walk into pretty much every other team imho.

 

Rooney yes. Lampard and Gerrard wouldn't get into Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Netherlands at all. And even if they were to there would have to be compensations made to include them in the same line-up. 

[johnnypd]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

Lampard and Gerrard can't. been saying that for years. there's a reason their club managers surround them with the likes of Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas, Hamann, Sissoko, McAllister, Essien, Makelele, Tiago, Mikel, Ballack etc etc. Let Steve and Frank take care of running forward, taking shots and spraying long range, risky passes. leave the real midfield work of postional discipline, negotiating congested areas of the pitch with good first touch and intelligent short passing and tracking back for tackles and interceptions to others.

 

i don't really think this issue was the major problem tonight though, as we had barry in there, poor as he was, and gerrard was shunted out wide. we had our fair share of possession and pushed algeria back most the time, especially in the 2nd half, but the cohesion to work up fluid attacks just wasn't there, not in the slightest.

[ponsaelius]

The players just aren't good enough.

 

For what? To beat f***ing Algeria and Slovenia? Rubbish.

 

Both those teams are better on the ball than us.

 

Nonsense, tbh. Have you seen any of these players play for their clubs?

 

The players in the England team lack the technical and tactical diversity to fit into a system together.  Their deficiencies in terms of trapping the ball, maintaining possession and controlling the ball are cancelled out when playing for their clubs as they are surrounded by players who have the skillsets do this. When you try to mould all of them into a team they look useless because they can't do any of the simple basics that should be learned from a youngster.

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Barry can't do the basics? Howay man.

 

They're all desperately limited technically and rely on other players at club level to give them the platform to use their strengths. Their ability to do the basics in trapping the ball, passing economically, retaining the football, playing triangles etc is non-existant. That's why in an international situation where the necessity to treasure the ball and break teams down is impossible. Often we overpower teams but even Mexico and Japan were able to maintain possession and do the basics better than we were, it's absolutely f***ing embarrasing.

 

Honestly think changing the system could solve the majority of these problems.

 

A midfield of Barry, Lennon, Cole, Gerrard, Lampard would have it in them to dominate the majority of teams on the tournament imo, especially the likes of f***ing Algeria.

 

Putting in an extra man in midfield would help against most teams at this tournament. Against anybody decent and we would not be able to keep the ball whatever we did.

 

Joe Cole has to play however.

[ElDiablo]

Lampard is the one who needs to be dropped. England don't accommodate him like Chelsea do as and a result he's a spare part who produces fuck all.