When did we lose our national side?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

If we ever owned it in the first place that is...

 

Each major tournament millions of summer fans buy a top, paint their face, hang a flag or 10 from the house, car and wherever else they can put them and go all Ingurland, Ingurland, Ingerland... all the way until the inevitable elimination to the Jormans or Argies or any other decent side we face after the group stage.

 

My question - why can't people just watch the game and leave it at that?

 

Each major tournament millions of shops the nation over from your local corner shop to major retailers fill their shelves, windows and promotions with absolute tat that to the buyer says "I LOVE INGURLAND ME, TILL I DIE"

 

My question -  why is wearing the shirt not enough?

 

Each major tournament millions of pounds are wasted on a manager who fails to deliver when it matters. Sven, Capello, who next?

 

My question - you don't get paid for managing the national side. That would rule out world-class managers managing our team like err, Sven and Capello of course, but err, what do they do exactly anway? Time for homegrown managers or even coaches. Do we even need a full-time manager?

 

Each major tournament our footballers seem to give up their day jobs and become something else other than a footballer for a week or 2.

 

My question - why or why? I doubt anyone really knows the answer to that one as there are so f***ing many questions.

 

Each major tournament since France 98, when England get sent home, a small and growing part of me is glad. When I see Jon Terry thumping the air and high fiving people after an average performance over Slovenia like he's somehow won the World Cup it feels somewhat contrived and false. In short I don't like our players and resent them succeeding. That's awful I know and comes over as bitter. When I tell people I hope Argentina win the competition people look at me as if I'm some kind of traitor. Why do I want a nation who we once went to war with and whose managed by a man who once cheated us to succeed yet don't for my own team's players? Simply because I like to see people who are passionate about the game, their football, their country etc. do well. Maradona lives for football, you can see it in his face. The Argentina team despite earning millions to a man they all care too and they love their footy. Our lot couldn't give a f*** so don't expect me to give a f*** back.

 

I love my country but I have no feelings for those players nor the team. I last did in 1998 when we were lead by our very own Lion of Gosforth, where an Englishman was the manager, where players cared and fought for the shirt. Remember Ince in Rome?

 

During that period is the time we lost the national side, or rather I did, for me anyway.

 

I'm an angry Englishman tonight because I care so much about my country and my football and it boils my piss that so many people care so little about the actual football itself, namely the players and those plastic summer fans who can piss right off. The type who look at you as if you're an alien because you're not wearing an England top like they are or have your face painted or have filled the hoose with flags. By the way, what happens to all those flags, do they go to flag heaven now? The very people by the way who go back into hiding when England go home. Cunts.

 

The players though... poor formations aside, poor tactics, aside, poor form and even fitness aside, there is no excuse for the lack of heart or effort shown by many. This is the f***ing world cup and our lot ran around in a half arsed fashion with the sign of misery across their sorry spoiled worthless faces for the main part and that, that is unbelievably and unforgivable.

 

I would love for the next manager, and we need one, to start afresh and drop them all, most for good because if they haven't shown they are not good enough they have certainly shown they are not worthy.

 

Sorry for the rant.

[madras]

in replying to the thread title "when don revie took over"

[Dave]

Just watching the Top Gear repeat. I bet the England players are more excited by the current review of the new Bentley that does 6mpg than playing Germany in the World Cup last 16.

[The Prophet]

For a start you shouldn't be paid to play for your country, brats.

[Robster]

For a start you shouldn't be paid to play for your country, brats.

Fucking right

[Interpolic]

TLDR.  No offence, might read it later.

 

For a start you shouldn't be paid to play for your country, brats.

 

http://www.tribalfootball.com/england-players-give-world-cup-match-fees-charity-845521

 

I know it's Tribal Football but I've heard in various places they weren't getting paid match fees.

[The Prophet]

TLDR.  No offence, might read it later.

 

For a start you shouldn't be paid to play for your country, brats.

 

http://www.tribalfootball.com/england-players-give-world-cup-match-fees-charity-845521

 

I know it's Tribal Football but I've heard in various places they weren't getting paid match fees.

 

Fair play, I was going to make a longer post earlier but I can't be bothered at the moment.

[summerof69]

Am i the only one who thinks that England players do actually care ? I matleast for the reason that that they are as good as they are as children they must have spent ages playing football to have the skills they have and the only reason i can imagine them doing that is because actually like the game. Yes, they underperformed, yes they like their Bently's and yes they are on massive wages but i still believe they care.

[Karjala]

Am i the only one who thinks that England players do actually care ? I matleast for the reason that that they are as good as they are as children they must have spent ages playing football to have the skills they have and the only reason i can imagine them doing that is because actually like the game. Yes, they underperformed, yes they like their Bently's and yes they are on massive wages but i still believe they care.

Yes.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Its the PL thats made our national team so poor unfortunately.

[Guest neesy111]

England and the Premier League sold it's sole for TV money and for to bring in foreigners to the country!  how much of that TV money actually goes into grass roots football, very very little considering the almost 1 billion pound they receive every year!

 

 

[summerof69]

Its the PL thats made our national team so poor unfortunately.

 

Why do you think that is ?

[Guest neesy111]

Its the PL thats made our national team so poor unfortunately.

 

Why do you think that is ?

 

england players playing around better players has masked their weaknesses, and also masked the dreadfulness of the state of the english game in general

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Celeb lifestyle, wags, wages, cars, elevated Ego's, delusions of grandeur, Rolex's, adverts, MTV Cribs, Sky Sports, ITV, The Sun, false sense of self importance.

 

Biggest problem has been highlighted in another thread. Our 'best players' play in games where there is barely competition week in week out, and if there is its brought down to a boring physical game. We struggle to play 'football' like a lot of the other national sides

[Incognito]

Too many foreign imports.....especially the substandard ones.The Cantonas,Henrys and Bergkamps,fair enough.But the Dioufs,Amdy Fayes,Lucas' keeping out English talent is just wrong.

[Greg]

Aye England players match fee goes to charity these days.

[Guest malandro]

Too many foreign imports.....especially the substandard ones.The Cantonas,Henrys and Bergkamps,fair enough.But the Dioufs,Amdy Fayes,Lucas' keeping out English talent is just wrong.

The top three also like to sign up promising young English players and stick them in the reserves. It’s great for stopping the rest of the clubs in league building teams that might challenge for CL spots, but not so good for the development of said players.

[Incognito]

Too many foreign imports.....especially the substandard ones.The Cantonas,Henrys and Bergkamps,fair enough.But the Dioufs,Amdy Fayes,Lucas' keeping out English talent is just wrong.

The top three also like to sign up promising young English players and stick them in the reserves. It’s great for stopping the rest of the clubs in league building teams that might challenge for CL spots, but not so good for the development of said players.

 

  Agreed.

[Guest toonlass]

1967

[Guest BooBoo]

It's certainly a problem when you see talented youngsters like Daniel Sturridge going to clubs like Chelsea for monster money and limited game time.

[brummie]

Too many foreign imports.....especially the substandard ones.The Cantonas,Henrys and Bergkamps,fair enough.But the Dioufs,Amdy Fayes,Lucas' keeping out English talent is just wrong.

 

I've read a few things on various forums today, since the game ended, talking about why the national side is so fucked up, but this is the most pointed and spot on post I've seen on the subject.

 

[BlufPurdi]

Honestly, HTT, none of that was needed.  We were shit and it was predicted by genuine football people years ago.

[Interpolic]

Too many foreign imports.....especially the substandard ones.The Cantonas,Henrys and Bergkamps,fair enough.But the Dioufs,Amdy Fayes,Lucas' keeping out English talent is just wrong.

 

I've read a few things on various forums today, since the game ended, talking about why the national side is so fucked up, but this is the most pointed and spot on post I've seen on the subject.

 

 

Agree with billytray too, he's absolutely right.  It's a half arsed way of 'improving' the league and ignoring the fundamental problems.

 

The FA and the Premier League aren't on the same side either, which doesn't help.

[Dave]

Would it help things to indroduce a new rule that said players brought through a club's academy system cannot be sold to another club until they are say 23? That way the top clubs can't hoover up the very best talent until they've at least been with their original club for a while. The players get to play regularly (if they're any good) rather than sit on the bigger club's bench but can still be purchased by others with their very best years ahead of them. By that time though they may not want to leave anyway if their own club has improved with them. Who knows, it might even increase the level of competition in the Premier League.

 

Might be talking bollocks here, just wondering.

[Greg]

Would it help things to indroduce a new rule that said players brought through a club's academy system cannot be sold to another club until they are say 23? That way the top clubs can't hoover up the very best talent until they've at least been with their original club for a while. The players get to play regularly (if they're any good) rather than sit on the bigger club's bench but can still be purchased by others with their best ahead of them. By that time though they may not want to leave anyway if their own club has improved with them. Who knows, it might even increase the level of competition in the Premier League.

 

Might be talking bollocks here, just wondering.

 

What happens when you have a player coming through at a top side that will not get a game and needs to move?

 

Someone like Danny Guthrie for example.

 

Do you just let him rot? I guess he could be loaned out to lesser clubs as he was when he went to Bolton.