Parky Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 With the current hiatus regarding racism I think a line might be drawn in the sand with this case. Hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Emre was never actually done for being racist though, was he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Emre was never actually done for being racist though, was he? Nope, he was cleared of all charges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Emre was great at abuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Would quite happily watch Suarez and Terry get kicked to death by a herd of black men. The sooner both are out the game, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Would quite happily watch Suarez and Terry get kicked to death by a herd of black men. The sooner both are out the game, the better. 'herd' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Would quite happily watch Suarez and Terry get kicked to death by a herd of black men. The sooner both are out the game, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Here man, don't turn this shit on me The following sentence from Wiki will legitimize my choice of words: Crowds that gather on behalf of a grievance can involve herding behavior that turns violent, particularly when confronted by an opposing ethnic or racial group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Here man, don't turn this shit on me The following sentence from Wiki will legitimize my choice of words: Crowds that gather on behalf of a grievance can involve herding behavior that turns violent, particularly when confronted by an opposing ethnic or racial group. Get out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Here man, don't turn this shit on me The following sentence from Wiki will legitimize my choice of words: Crowds that gather on behalf of a grievance can involve herding behavior that turns violent, particularly when confronted by an opposing ethnic or racial group. Get out. Chrome's fault, not mine. http://www.inkymess.com/imgs/inkings/UncleSam.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Here man, don't turn this shit on me The following sentence from Wiki will legitimize my choice of words: Crowds that gather on behalf of a grievance can involve herding behavior that turns violent, particularly when confronted by an opposing ethnic or racial group. Get out. Chrome's fault, not mine. http://www.inkymess.com/imgs/inkings/UncleSam.gif Fuck off, Chrome has no problems with legitimise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Emre was great at abuse. I remember him calling Steve Coppell a whore in Italian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Putana? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Putana? Si. He brought a real continental touch to our midfield with his Italian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Steve Coppell a wretched putana. Such a f***ing image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am sure i read on there something along the lines of what is wrong with the word negro anyway by some poster with a chinese sounding name ? Any one else see this ? Am i making this up, it seems to have gone now. The only thing i will say is that if there is evidence it should be released. I think as far as evidence goes, it's very much Evra's word against Suarez's. That said, Suarez doesn't deny that he used Spanish N-words to Evra; he denies that they are racist or offensive (which is realistically the case). http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-liverpool-fa-racism in Uruguay it is common practice for people to use derivatives of "negro" in a non-offensive way. "Negrito", for example, is a word that is often used without being deemed as racist. I've no idea how well Evra understands Spanish. He will certainly have got the gist of anything Suarez said, but it's unlikely that he's familiar with the nuances of South American Spanish. I think the most probable truth of it is that Suarez used a word or words that Uruguayans don't consider to have racial connotations, which Evra, for lack of familiarity with idiomatic Uruguayan, understood as racist. If that is the case (and you are not generally anti-"banter"), I think the worst you can accuse Suarez of is a poor choice of words (or perfect choice of words, depending on your attitude to him). You can't go around punishing people for using words that sound like bad words. Especially foreign words that sound like bad words in a different language. Huuuuuge can of worms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Negrito is usually used in Uruguay in for example declaring your love to your boyfriend/girlfriend. "Te quiero mi negrito" - I love you my little black man. That's not the same as saying it to a little, black man in a heated situation on a football field. Two complete different scenarios that just can't be compared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Clutching at straws there like Wacko. Can't imagine any situation on a football pitch in which it's necessary to bring up someone's skin colour. In reality, it's most probably the case that Suarez is a disgusting racist playing for a disgusting club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Negrito is usually used in Uruguay in for example declaring your love to your boyfriend/girlfriend. "Te quiero mi negrito" - I love you my little black man. That's not the same as saying it to a little, black man in a heated situation on a football field. Two complete different scenarios that just can't be compared. Except that's the parallel you draw based on your understanding it to mean "little black man". It's not clear that Uruguayans understand it that way, even though that's clearly what it means. Firstly, people don't think about their own language the same way others do. I mean, how many English people are conscious of sodomy when calling their kids "little buggers" or "little sods", that when they say "berk", they're saying "cunt", or that referring to a disabled person as an "invalid" was literally saying that they are not a valid person? Secondly, does it actually mean "little black man" in terms of wider connotations? (I don't know Spanish.) Or is it closer to "little n****r" or "little African-American"? That's really important because I think it's pushing it calling it racist when, like you say, he called a little black man a little black man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am sure i read on there something along the lines of what is wrong with the word negro anyway by some poster with a chinese sounding name ? Any one else see this ? Am i making this up, it seems to have gone now. The only thing i will say is that if there is evidence it should be released. I think as far as evidence goes, it's very much Evra's word against Suarez's. That said, Suarez doesn't deny that he used Spanish N-words to Evra; he denies that they are racist or offensive (which is realistically the case). http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-liverpool-fa-racism in Uruguay it is common practice for people to use derivatives of "negro" in a non-offensive way. "Negrito", for example, is a word that is often used without being deemed as racist. I've no idea how well Evra understands Spanish. He will certainly have got the gist of anything Suarez said, but it's unlikely that he's familiar with the nuances of South American Spanish. I think the most probable truth of it is that Suarez used a word or words that Uruguayans don't consider to have racial connotations, which Evra, for lack of familiarity with idiomatic Uruguayan, understood as racist. If that is the case (and you are not generally anti-"banter"), I think the worst you can accuse Suarez of is a poor choice of words (or perfect choice of words, depending on your attitude to him). You can't go around punishing people for using words that sound like bad words. Especially foreign words that sound like bad words in a different language. Huuuuuge can of worms. what on earth are you talking about? Racism is about making an issue of someone's skin colour/ethnic origin/other things. Suarez had no need to mention it at all on a football pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Myself and a group of pals may use racist terms within our group (mix of Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis), however, we know it is in jest. Similarly, 'negrito' might be used affectionately amongst a group of friends, but when you're on opposing teams in a heated match and you've been narking at each other throughout the match, I'm afraid there's only one intent in Suarez's mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Myself and a group of pals may use racist terms within our group (mix of Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis), however, we know it is in jest. Similarly, 'negrito' might be used affectionately amongst a group of friends, but when you're on opposing teams in a heated match and you've been narking at each other throughout the match, I'm afraid there's only one intent in Suarez's mind. Absolutely. Lots of words can be offensive depending upon the context in which they are used. I've no doubt that on a football pitch, in the heat of battle, 'negrito' will not have been used affectionately. I suppose it's all a matter of perspective. Do you punish Suarez on the basis that Evra found it personally offensive, or do you punish him on the basis that he crossed a line which 9 from 10 people would find universally unacceptable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Suarez has been in Europe long enough to know that using the word in any way is going to stir up emotions. It's not like he moved from Uruguay the day before the game, if he indeed did say that, he knew full well that Evra was going to take offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Suarez is a cunt. Had this coming to him. Cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ykmkmdd Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Suarez is a cunt. Had this coming to him. Cunt Fair point, well made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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