The Prophet Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 So goals for when a player is clean through and gets taken down aswell then? Sure f*** it, lets just award goals when someone hits the post or bar, I mean it's really close. f*** off. Take a breather man, nobody is suggesting any of that nonsense. For me, if it is clear heading in but for the block (as it was in this case), then a goal must be given but that is sufficient. That would properly redress the situation and restore the attacking team to its fair and original position had it not been for the block. A penalty only gives them a chance to score (admittedly a pretty good one), what was taken away from them is a goal not a chance to score. Goal and red card is double punishment especially if the offending team had to play substantial amount of time with 10 man. If it is not clearly going in, then penalty and red card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 So goals for when a player is clean through and gets taken down aswell then? Sure f*** it, lets just award goals when someone hits the post or bar, I mean it's really close. f*** off. no as you can't say for definite if the player would have finished it. unlike in this sort of situation. So what if a player hits a free kick and looks like a cert to go in, but it hits someone in the walls arm? You are clearly exaggerating. The there is no such thing as a clear free kick goal. Assuming the wall was distanced properly, nobody can estimate how the ball will travel or how the keeper would have reacted to say that it was gonna be a sure goal. o no in tha case just a penalty (assuming in the box) because the handball did not stopped a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Don't think this is quite as ridiculous as has been suggested. I always wondered about "sacrificial red cards" in cup competitions. Where do you the draw the line? Most of you seem to advocate the flagrant cheating/prevention of a goal through a handball, but what if - for example (and I am perfectly aware how ludicrous this is), a player facing Argentina whipped out a crowbar and maimed six of their players? He'd get sent off and the rest of his team would be left facing 5 men (assuming subs had all been used, previously). Obviously this is extremely far-fetched, but drawing the line isn't as straight-forward, or as easily dismissed, as has been suggested IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Damn dude, I'd hope there'd be some law enforcement action happening there, game be damned. I mean, I kind of see what you mean, but I'm not sure how to come up with a more plausible example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrainey Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 No, it's literally one of the most stupid football-related ideas I've ever heard. This. It's absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Imo, anyone who thinks goals should be awarded for handballs on the line aren't real football fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Imo, anyone who thinks goals should be awarded for handballs on the line aren't real football fans. WUM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Honestly, 90% of the time that penalty would have gone in and Uruguay would be one man down to make up the deficit (if there had been time). The rule is fine but the extremeness (and rarity) of the circumstances is what is pushing people to think it's unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 No. After all technically its a only a foul like anywhere else but because its in the box is a penalty. There's the obvious moral dilemma. But if you'd bring someone down and take a yellow to stop them advancing, got to be the same really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Giving a goal would be stupid - people wouldn't do it if that was the case anyway - concede a goal and get sent off, or concede a goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 A handball on the line is denying a goalscoring oppurtunity, just like the last man brining down an opposition player is. So if a handball on the line should result in a goal, does that mean someone who is clean through but is hacked down should get a free kick upgraded to a penalty? Afterall, they were running in that direction and would have had a free shot on goal.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 That header had gone further than a 'goalscoring opportunity' tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Giving a goal would be stupid - people wouldn't do it if that was the case anyway - concede a goal and get sent off, or concede a goal? That's the point surely.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Giving a goal would be stupid - people wouldn't do it if that was the case anyway - concede a goal and get sent off, or concede a goal? That's the point surely.. But then there'd be no need for the rule? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Giving a goal would be stupid - people wouldn't do it if that was the case anyway - concede a goal and get sent off, or concede a goal? That's the point surely.. But then there'd be no need for the rule? It'd be a deterrant- I'm guessing people don't want them to do it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 A handball on the line is denying a goalscoring oppurtunity, just like the last man brining down an opposition player is. So if a handball on the line should result in a goal, does that mean someone who is clean through but is hacked down should get a free kick upgraded to a penalty? Afterall, they were running in that direction and would have had a free shot on goal.. Messi, you repeated the same confusion so I will repeat my argument. A handball on the line is NOT denying a goalscoring opportunity....it is denying a goal, period. It is different from the last man bringing down a player situation which is denying a goalscoring opportunity. Fair enough if you disagree with the proposal to give the goal, but don't do that by using weird conclusion based on 2 situations which are not analogous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Giving a goal would be stupid - people wouldn't do it if that was the case anyway - concede a goal and get sent off, or concede a goal? That's the point surely.. But then there'd be no need for the rule? It'd be a deterrant- I'm guessing people don't want them to do it! Actually, re-reading, I have no idea what argument you're trying to mark ya dafty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antigalican Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 That was a hell of a shame tonight, but the celebration was the urine boiler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Can someone point me in the direction of a thread of the same nature after Steven Taylor handballed against Aston Villa? I mean, I'm sure there is one since these people lambasting Suarez are only concerned about the game of Football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Can someone point me in the direction of a thread of the same nature after Steven Taylor handballed against Aston Villa? I mean, I'm sure there is one since these people lambasting Suarez are only concerned about the game of Football. Why are you such an arse tonight? There's actually some decent points being raised on both sides and you're going on like a kid because you don't agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I take it that means there isn't one then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Who cares even if there is? It's not relevant at all to what's being discussed People were probably more concerned that two of our players had started fighting each other during a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 NO! @ this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 If this thread is in any resemblance of how FIFA meetings go when they're discussing rule changes then we're all damned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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