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Guest firetotheworks

I'm starting to think that Xavi is more useful than Zidane was. I love Zidane, what he did had an absolute grace to it, and he's one of the best I've ever seen. But Xavi is for me the best midfielder of my generation, an absolute genius of a passer, and probably the most useful player of the last 10 years.

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To me France 1998 and Spain 2010 have many similarities. Great football nations, perennial underachievers, one-time world cup winner, and the same team also won European Championship.

 

The great French team won World Cup 1998 (hosted in France) and European Championship 2000

This great Spanish team won European Championship 2008 and World Cup 2010

 

The French team have Zidane, Vieira, Henry, Desailly, Thuram etc

The Spanish team have Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Torres, Puyol, Casillas etc

Which team would rank higher, 50 years later ?

 

I think some of you guys are a bit premature posting your prefernce now. I'll attempt to come back to this thread and submit my vote when I'm 78. Granted, I'll probably be pissing my pants, dribbling and won't remember what happened 5 minutes ago, let alone 50 years. But I'll certainly try.

 

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I'm starting to think that Xavi is more useful than Zidane was. I love Zidane, what he did had an absolute grace to it, and he's one of the best I've ever seen. But Xavi is for me the best midfielder of my generation, an absolute genius of a passer, and probably the most useful player of the last 10 years.

 

you see that first time half-volley pass he played for Barcelona last season?  one of the most diabolical things i've ever seen someone do with a football

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Easily France. Arguably the best defence of any winner and Zidane, Henry going forward. Even the worst Guivarch did more than Torres.

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I don't remember being impressed with France until the final of 98. I never thought they were real contenders most of the way through and I still think had Ronaldo been on his game that Brazil would have won that final. Spain dominated their way through this tournament taking out some very tough teams on the way.

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I don't remember being impressed with France until the final of 98. I never thought they were real contenders most of the way through and I still think had Ronaldo been on his game that Brazil would have won that final. Spain dominated their way through this tournament taking out some very tough teams on the way.

good point, easy to overlook their side of the draw

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Guest firetotheworks

I didn't. I didn't see an awful lot of Barca last season. If you find it, PM me.

by the way that clip in your avatar :lol:

 

which series is it from? i might have to revisit and check it out

 

Season 2, Meat the Veals iirc.

 

Franklin and Anne jokes in one episode. Class

 

Second best episode after Motherboy XXX imo.

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Guest neesy111

Also, apart from how Zidane schooled Brazil in the final, France wasn't that dominating. I think people take the final's performance (indeed one of the finest) and extend it to the whole tournament.

 

this, france we're shocking in some games in that tournament!  their main striker didn't score a goal

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Incidentally does this mean that Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Pedro, Casillas, and possibly Ramos have now won it all?

 

Casillas/Ramos haven't won the Spanish cup (Real Madrid hasn't won that in a looong time). Pedro didn't really play much the treble season for the first squad. But yeah, the Barça core have won every f***ing trophy possible. Mind numbing.

 

I also profoundly agree with people saying that the Euro winning teams (2000 and 2008) were far better than the WC winning ones. And I think Spain edges that.

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Incidentally does this mean that Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Pedro, Casillas, and possibly Ramos have now won it all?

 

Casillas/Ramos haven't won the Spanish cup (Real Madrid hasn't won that in a looong time). Pedro didn't really play much the treble season for the first squad.

 

But yeah, the Barça core have won every fucking trophy possible. Mind numbing.

 

but can they perform on a wet and windy Tuesday night at the Reebok?

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Guest firetotheworks

Brazil in 1994 were the last truly great side to win the World Cup.

 

They won it on penalties  :lol:

 

Don't get me wrong, they were great. But they weren't the last truly great side to win the WC. Spain were, and before that Brazil in '02 were.

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Brazil in 1994 were the last truly great side to win the World Cup.

 

They won it on penalties  :lol:

 

Don't get me wrong, they were great. But they weren't the last truly great side to win the WC. Spain were, and before that Brazil in '02 were.

 

Agreed.

 

Look back on this Spanish team in 10-15 years on a World Cup 2010 montage, the passing, the movement, the touches and then they'll be seen as 'a great team'.

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1. Spain 2008

2. Spain 2010

3. France 2000

4. France 1998

 

Aye, totally!

France weren't flamouyant enough for me, even though they had as much a defensive midfield as spain did, they didn't have the passing. I think defensively France may just edge it, but spain defended better as a team in keeping the ball, having a structure, men always seeming to be around to put on pressure or steal the ball.

Its hard because its personal choice, but I def agree France 2000 were better than 98 and I think both spain sides were better than them so....

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Guest BooBoo

Brazil in 1994 were the last truly great side to win the World Cup.

 

I don't think that Brazil side were actually that great.

 

How dare you disagree.  :knuppel2:

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