Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Waouuuuu !!!!! what football masturbation this thread Thanks for the intelligent contribution. If you think the thread is s**** then don't post. It is a fairly straightforward concept. Leave the discussion to those that have something to say. For the sake of clarity, the thread title is "Hatem Ben Arfa" and as such the implication when a thread title is a player's name is that discussions regarding the player are held here. Performances, newspaper commentary, opinions on the player's style and attributes are all fair game. Then the rest of us would not have to endure your tiresome posts. Of course, having said that, I guess it is equally fair to post "OMG BEN ARFA IS THE GREATEST" as well. He was joking. Some people among "the rest of you" made similar statement with different words without enduring your intolerance. If you think he's tiresome, just don't reply and your foreigners chasing (<<the rest of us>>; <<MY TEAM>> etc.) since last night is really tiresome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The man can do no right. If he tries that pass and it doesn't come off, he's a fool for attempting something so late in the game and gifting Everton possession. He doesn't try to make the pass and sensibly holds onto the ball, he's a cunt with no hope of ever breaking into our glorious side. Whatever. He's a very talented player who I love having at the club, he's got all the time he needs tbh. Double leg break people. Double leg break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Again - he's a quality player but is still yet to find the form he could be at, imo. That will come with game time and confidence, I'm sure. For the time being, I just hope he keeps things simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 For the sake of clarity, though: - I didn't say HBA has only positive attributes. - By 'convalescence' I mean he has not recovered from breaking his leg, and is lacking match sharpness that only gradual and incremental gametime can provide him. In the interim, I do think it a little ill-advised to make criticisms of him as a player. You might as well be criticising Shakespeare's literacy skills as a toddler for all the relevance it has to what Shakespeare will have as a writer when an adult. (the comparison is a little extreme, I grant you ) So, by all means criticise him, but criticisms are fairly meaningless at this stage (unless they're based on pre-injury Ben Arfa viewings). - In terms of when it will be appropriate to criticise him (and yes, it seems as though some are waiting to do so! ), I don't know how things will play out. So I don't have any answer for you - though I appreciate how much stock my opinion holds with you! I would say that in the absence of Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux and Obertan, it seems telling (to me, anyway) that Pardew brought in Gosling, Guthrie and Sammy Ameobi ahead of Ben Arfa in the midfield, who eventually came on to replace an injured Best. Whilst Pardew may see HBA as a "number 10", I'm fairly confident he would have come into midfield much sooner if Pardew thought him to be on top of his game. So, I don't think that time is here yet. Thanks for that - all sound and supported opinions. Even the hyperbole was well used... *I hope that doesn't sound condescending because it is not meant to* Your assesment of Pardew bringing on both DG's and Sammy ahead of him is interesting to me. Gosling is also coming off injuries BUT he is a completely different player to what we expect HBA to be. Tactically, it seemed that AP shut up shop with the injuries. I am not debating this pass v that run, but it is curious to put SaAmeobi in as my read on him is that he does not have the kind of strength to work a ball deep and hold it in the corners. HBA does seem stronger on the ball under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 He was joking. Some people among "the rest of you" made similar statement with different words without enduring your intolerance. If you think he's tiresome, just don't reply and your foreigners chasing (<<the rest of us>>; <<MY TEAM>> etc.) since last night is really tiresome. I don't think it's foreigners chasing when I am a foreigner myself. That's like double reverse discrimination. I am chasing myself but I always win - or lose- because I never get caught - or catch. Which one's are "the rest of you"? Maybe we should have shirts. Blues v Reds. Come ON, let's be 'aving you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hop. He could have played it with his left a split second before that screenshot was taken. As for looking stupid, you've been shown up to post screenshots to try and shoot down my point not banking on someone else posting one that proved me right, quite embarrassing for you really. Nobody else has posted a screenshot never mind one that's proved you right. You are nitpicking about a player who is returning from a double leg break and an ankle injury. He's been out for the best part of a year and missed most of pre-season. You're having a go at Ben Arfa because he failed to make a pass which was almost impossible to make. Here's a second earlier, how could he have made a pass? For him to play a ball that Ba is going to get on the end of is impossible because Ben Arfa would have to play the ball in front of Ba and if he did that the defender would be first to it. You're the one going on about the pass and you're wrong. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3734/benarfaandba.jpg That screenshot looks so much better cos it's in HD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't think it's foreigners chasing when I am a foreigner myself. You're right, It was not clear enough. French posters - sorry, I mean fanboys, blinded Hatem-lovers - chasing was more suited. But let's return to football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 That screenshot looks so much better cos it's in HD. That's the only thing I've been enjoying from that whole minutia. How good the screenshots look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Can you get banned for telling people to fuck off? might be worth it some of the irritating and purposeful winding up going on in here. I don't get why people enjoying it so much? do people just get off on the fact they are irritating others and getting them to "bite" We get your points about ben arfa, fine that's your opinion. But do you have to keep ramming it down everyone's throats constantly post after post? You have made your positions clear now give it a rest or are you lot guna keep posting different examples and keep arguing with different people for the next 2 weeks before you have more evidence to add to your armoury? It's inflammatory posts like this which add nothing of interest that ruin this thread tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Again - he's a quality player but is still yet to find the form he could be at, imo. That will come with game time and confidence, I'm sure. For the time being, I just hope he keeps things simple. Aye, whatever she said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Again - he's a quality player but is still yet to find the form he could be at, imo. That will come with game time and confidence, I'm sure. For the time being, I just hope he keeps things simple. Aye, whatever she said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Honestly.....and you wont believe me......but if you took all the precious Ben Arfa comments and the bile directed at posters out of the last 20 pages, you would probably have 5 pages of decent discussion about his appearances so far and the possible ways in which he will or wont fit in to the team. Thats about the bottom line in fairness. None of which would have been ascribed to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benarfanufc10 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Honestly.....and you wont believe me......but if you took all the precious Ben Arfa comments and the bile directed at posters out of the last 20 pages, you would probably have 5 pages of decent discussion about his appearances so far and the possible ways in which he will or wont fit in to the team. Thats about the bottom line in fairness. Title of thread Ben arfa "To love or not, Ben Arfa is a choice almost ideological?" ben arfa: Yes, and I'm proud! My way of playing is a way of seeing life ... Your game is what you are ... I can not be cushy, formatted. " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Can see this thread going quieter over the next few days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Lets wait and see, i think the titanic weights of expectations are unfairly put on Ben's shoulders while it should rest on Pardew's. I would think its his inability to bring out the potential in Ben right now due to how he setup the team to play. I hope most people would agree with me, even with Messi in our team....we would look average decent ...not a Arsenal, Chelsea, Manu etc. We would look like a team with a very good player , thats about it... People being on about Ben fitness and sharpness and all , whats my bigger concern is the current Manager able to step up our football that could fit world class players like tevez , Mascherano etc. You could have world class players..for example France but really shit managers Raymond Domenech...etc.. For the Debate of the single pass....i put the blame yet again on Pardew, if you analyze all the games we had played so far the team it self had plenty of chances to play through balls, but never seem prepare to make the decisive pass when they were available..it shows that in training it is not something we had being working on...even if we set off the striker off 1 v 1 somehow i dont have the confidence we would score. Its all due to training on the pitch to get the players used to a certain routine play. Improvising by the players would not give us a consistency. Therefore to conclude, Both Ben and Pardew are learning how to play....and both must be given a chance to make it work! Its a Transition phrase, a very important one as we speak....lets hope they can both get it right...or the likely hood is one would have to be changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I can't believe some people are taking screenshots to prove there points, some people really need to sort their lives out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I can't believe some people are taking screenshots to prove there points, some people really need to sort their lives out. You can just imagine them scrutinising the footage in freeze frame to get the exact shot. Dismal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Those screenshots only show 2 isolated newcastle players in counter, 5 minutes before FT. If Newcastle really wanted a third goal, we would have seen Sammy and Guthrie in support. I can nitpick indefinitely myself and say Ba's run wasn't in the right direction...blah, blah, blah...etc. etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Saylor- “You’re bringing in top talent, the French boys have come in and been a breath of fresh air. “Ben Arfa’s a quality player, for instance, he’s a special talent and we’ve got a great buy there. He’s getting his fitness back now and looking sharp and getting back to where he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I love Hatem. He reminds me of myself when I was a young and talented French/Tunisian footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I love Hatem. He reminds me of myself when I was a young and talented French/Tunisian footballer. I love Steven Taylor. He reminds me of when I used to teach special school children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Cajun on top form today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 HATEM BEN ARFA returns to the scene of what can only be described as utter despair for any footballer at any level this Saturday when he faces Manchester City for the first time since his horrific double leg break at Eastlands. With just six minutes gone in the October 3 fixture last year, Ben Arfa was forced off by a horror tackle by physical Dutchman Nigel De Jong. It was a moment which would have major implications for both Newcastle and former manager Chris Hughton, who was dismissed two months later and would never be able to rely on his talisman again. For Ben Arfa it was the start of a nine-month nightmare which was made worse by a second injury sustained in Kansas City during the Magpies’ ill-fated American tour, when an ankle injury dented his hopes of making a flying start to the current campaign. However, step by step, Ben Arfa has made his way back into the first-team picture at Newcastle. Now a permanent signing, Alan Pardew watched on against Everton as the French ace warmed up patiently before playing his part in the 2-1 win in their last league match with a hard-working display. That tees up Ben Arfa for a return to City, but he has admitted his comeback would not have been the same without the Toon Army and the United medical team which worked tirelessly to get him back up and running. Ben Arfa told the Chronicle after his long battle back to fitness: “The fans were there for me and encouraged me during that time. “I am very happy to be back now. The comeback was very hard for me. “Now I can just look forward and hope we can achieve some great things this season.” Ben Arfa’s role this season has been mainly as an impact player from the bench in the Premier League, with four appearances thus far. The French international has started twice in the Carling Cup at Nottingham Forest and Blackburn Rover. However, the club’s French revolution has meant it has been far from easy for him to force a way into the starting XI with Yohan Cabaye, Gabriel Obertan, Sylvain Marveaux and Demba Ba all impressing in both midfield and attack. Yet Ben Arfa is delighted by the success of his fellow countrymen, and added: “Everybody is settling in well at Newcastle. “The team needs to keep pushing forward and make the season a success.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 RYAN TAYLOR feels Hatem Ben Arfa is more than capable of wiping away painful memories of his double leg break by netting a wonder goal at Eastlands. Scouse star Taylor knows only too well the agony suffered by a professional footballer after a leg break after twice enduring the long and difficult road back from the treatment table. However, the former Tranmere and Wigan ace Taylor feels Newcastle fans will be grateful they still have a “top-class player” on their hands, and feels the strength of Ben Arfa’s character can shine through at Man City on Saturday. Reflecting on Ben Arfa’s experiences in the last 12 month, team-mate Taylor told the Chronicle: “I have had a few bad injuries in my time. “I have broken my leg twice, but as a footballer you have to have a strong mind and Hatem seems to be in that bracket. “I hope the lad does well if selected on Saturday. “Whoever plays it will be a tough game no matter what. The likes of Hatem can change games in an instant. “If he plays, I will be looking forward to it.” Ben Arfa has been impressing this week in training in the build-up to the fixture in the north west and Taylor has witnessed it at first hand. He added: “Hatem is a strong lad, he has shown that by coming back and being the player he is. “He has been injured since but what a chance to go and play where he had a bad injury and now show the Man City fans what he is all about. “He can stick one in the back of the net and come off the field a lot happier than last time.” Ben Arfa has not yet hit the heights which made him one of Marseille’s brightest talents at the Velodrome, but Taylor believes the 24-year-old is in resurgent mode according to the Toon left-back. He went on: “He has been on the bench but that is because he has not quite there yet. “The gaffer is seeing something in him that shows he is ready. “I have spoken to Hatem and he thinks he is ready. “The next time he goes there the memories will be almost gone, so it is a big plus.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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