Hanshithispantz Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote had a terrible game man, how did he not get sent off?! He kept running away from the ref so that probs helped He committed 2 fouls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Honestly, man, some people must just get zero enjoyment from football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I thought he was absolutely fine last night. Not vintage Tiote, but certainly good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote had a terrible game man, how did he not get sent off?! He kept running away from the ref so that probs helped He committed 2 fouls. HE'S A LIABILITY!!!! /sarc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Don't get this i thought he was more than good enough last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Don't get this i thought he was more than good enough last night He was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote had a terrible game man, how did he not get sent off?! He kept running away from the ref so that probs helped He committed 2 fouls. I hope your intended delivery was as dry as it was in my end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 First they came for Simpson, then Williamson, then Jonas, now Tiote. He was fully decent. Against Spurs Cabaye should've got sent off but nobody used that as a stick to beat him with. Straight red all day. Tiote's always collected yellow cards, always has and probably will. We now have real options so it shouldn't be such a problem but now it's a heinous crime to pick up yellows? Cabaye does make at least one bad challenge in most games, but people don't pick up on it as he's pegged as one of our more cultured players. Not to mention his corners are atrocious. Let's be clear here though, he's still a cracking player. The point is we should look at the whole game rather than pick up one or to faults to grumble about, and that's how Tiote should be judged as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't like to keep bringing up stats, but I feel it's necessary here. Perch certainly keeps hold of the ball a lot better than Tioté. Perch: Pass completion this season - 88.8% Dispossessed per game - 0.3 Turnovers per game - 0.4 Key passes per game - 0.5 Tioté: Pass completion - 83.6% Dispossessed per game - 1.6 Turnovers per game - 1 Key Passes per game - 0.6 I'm not saying Perch is a better/more effective player here, but he keeps the ball a lot better than Tioté does. Perch has played a few games at centre half, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference. How many passes does Tiote make per game? People say his passes are simple, backwards and square. I'd like to see the distance compared to Perch. I'm certain Tiote makes more passes than Perch and they're more ambitious. That's why I put the key passes stat in there as well. Tioté may well try a lot more ambitious passes, but he doesn't actually end up making any more important ones than Perch does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 First they came for Simpson, then Williamson, then Jonas, now Tiote. He was fully decent. Against Spurs Cabaye should've got sent off but nobody used that as a stick to beat him with. Straight red all day. Tiote's always collected yellow cards, always has and probably will. We now have real options so it shouldn't be such a problem but now it's a heinous crime to pick up yellows? Cabaye does make at least one bad challenge in most games, but people don't pick up on it as he's pegged as one of our more cultured players. Not to mention his corners are atrocious. Let's be clear here though, he's still a cracking player. The point is we should look at the whole game rather than pick up one or to faults to grumble about, and that's how Tiote should be judged as well. We overlook some players' faults and hyper analysis other players' faults. When he's poor i'll be the first to point it out. Yesterday he was fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote is a great player and will get back to good form if he gets a run of games, but it's the deliberate trips when a player is past him that drive me mad. There's no way he will get away with them or deserve to tbh. He does it and then gives himself no chance of getting the run of games (suspended) he so readily needs to get his form back. Always feels like the lad has no common sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't like to keep bringing up stats, but I feel it's necessary here. Perch certainly keeps hold of the ball a lot better than Tioté. Perch: Pass completion this season - 88.8% Dispossessed per game - 0.3 Turnovers per game - 0.4 Key passes per game - 0.5 Tioté: Pass completion - 83.6% Dispossessed per game - 1.6 Turnovers per game - 1 Key Passes per game - 0.6 I'm not saying Perch is a better/more effective player here, but he keeps the ball a lot better than Tioté does. Perch has played a few games at centre half, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference. How many passes does Tiote make per game? People say his passes are simple, backwards and square. I'd like to see the distance compared to Perch. I'm certain Tiote makes more passes than Perch and they're more ambitious. That's why I put the key passes stat in there as well. Tioté may well try a lot more ambitious passes, but he doesn't actually end up making any more important ones than Perch does. He makes almost twice the amount of passes per game. Look at the chalkboards man. Tiote's passing is better. If I have time i'll throw on the diagram's. Tiote's passing is a significant step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't really think Tioté needs to be making direct ambitious passes though. I'd much rather his passing was as simple and easy as Perch's. That's how it was when Tioté first joined the club and I think we'll all agree that was by far his best form for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't really think Tioté needs to be making direct ambitious passes though. I'd much rather his passing was as simple and easy as Perch's, which is how it was when Tioté first joined the club and I think we'll all agree that was by far his best form for us. That's all well and good, but what happens when the situation calls for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 When the situation calls for what? Tioté trying to make daft passes that he's not capable of? I don't think such a situation ever arises. Especially when Cabaye and Sissoko are on the pitch next to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote is the New Ba.. . . The "Ministry of Moan" have now selected their new target. Nothing will change their opinion now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Except people have been moaning (and quite rightly) about Tiote for more than a while now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote is the New Ba.. . . The "Ministry of Moan" have now selected their new target. Nothing will change their opinion now. Agreed. There's not much Tiote needs to learn about passing from James Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote should stick to winning the ball back cleanly and passing ASAP to someone else over a short space. It really is back to basics for him, but muppets in the crowd want him to be this all action hero taking everything on including long range shooting which would even give Rob Lee nightmares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 When the situation calls for what? Tioté trying to make daft passes that he's not capable of? I don't think such a situation ever arises. Especially when Cabaye and Sissoko are on the pitch next to him. That's a pretty basic understanding of the game, like. So, when under pressure, with Cabaye marked (I'll ignore your suggestion of Sissoko as he's playing further forward and this would be a daft ambitious pass), what's he meant to do? Play it backwards to the defence or keeper, putting them under pressure, every time? Even if the ball forward has a chance of reaching the winger/striker/Sissoko? I'd expect him to try the forward ball myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Except people have been moaning (and quite rightly) about Tiote for more than a while now... So what? while that is true he has been fine in last 2 games and much better than Perch. Fixed opinions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'd expect any player on the pitch to try a forward pass if it was on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 He seems like he's lost a yard of pace or so. Anyone else think this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Perch has also made 5 interceptions in the games against Villa, Chelsea and Spurs. Tiote's made 7 against Spurs & Metalist alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 When the situation calls for what? Tioté trying to make daft passes that he's not capable of? I don't think such a situation ever arises. Especially when Cabaye and Sissoko are on the pitch next to him. That's a pretty basic understanding of the game, like. So, when under pressure, with Cabaye marked (I'll ignore your suggestion of Sissoko as he's playing further forward and this would be a daft ambitious pass), what's he meant to do? Play it backwards to the defence or keeper, putting them under pressure, every time? Even if the ball forward has a chance of reaching the winger/striker/Sissoko? I'd expect him to try the forward ball myself. Tiote for me is in the best position on the pitch for options to pass. He's got men all around him, very rarely will all be marked out of a pass, especially when we are playing one up front. No harm dishing it out to the side, let the FB run on to it and again no harm in passing it back to the CBs if Tiote is facing the wrong way when he's won the ball, rather than turning back in to trouble. I really don't understand people's need to want the ball released forward at every opportunity, sometimes we need to retain possession, pull players out of position and make them work for it for a change. Smart, calm play, we don't do enough of it, quickly lump it forward for it to be headed back or cleared, it's stupid play IMO. Not saying Tiote is the main culprit of this, far from it, this is down to the manager, but it would be nice for him to be a calming influence in the position he plays rather than trying to do everything, pulling himself out of position, trying to do the stuff Cabaye can do or shoot like he's got more than one shot on target in the last 20 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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