TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? There's not much he can do if Danny Graham goes and puts himself onto Mapou. Is Mapou meant to run away? Are they meant to continuously swap sides? If Danny Graham can put himself on Mapou, why is it so hard for Taylor to put himself on Danny Graham? This is something I find hard to figure out. Quite often when Colo is playing with Taylor I see Colo up against the big target man as well. Maybe because Taylor is usually more concerned with running back towards the goal posts to do his customary save on the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I supposed you're another one who's seen loads of MYM in France. You'll come crawling back when your buddy is benchwarming and MYM is showing his class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? There's not much he can do if Danny Graham goes and puts himself onto Mapou. Is Mapou meant to run away? Are they meant to continuously swap sides? If Danny Graham can put himself on Mapou, why is it so hard for Taylor to put himself on Danny Graham? This is something I find hard to figure out. Quite often when Colo is playing with Taylor I see Colo up against the big target man as well. Maybe because Taylor is usually more concerned with running back towards the goal posts to do his customary save on the line. It's totally different. Strikers swapping doesn't create risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I supposed you're another one who's seen loads of MYM in France. You'll come crawling back when your buddy is benchwarming and MYM is showing his class My buddy. I think Taylor's a cunt if I'm honest. Solid enough PL defender, though. Which is what you need next to Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? There's not much he can do if Danny Graham goes and puts himself onto Mapou. Is Mapou meant to run away? Are they meant to continuously swap sides? If Danny Graham can put himself on Mapou, why is it so hard for Taylor to put himself on Danny Graham? This is something I find hard to figure out. Quite often when Colo is playing with Taylor I see Colo up against the big target man as well. Maybe because Taylor is usually more concerned with running back towards the goal posts to do his customary save on the line. It's totally different. Strikers swapping doesn't create risk. I don't recall Taylor being up against Graham at all though, it was pretty much Mbiwa who was on him for the full game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 To me if you choose Taylor over Mapou you gain a better aerial defense from crosses and set pieces. If you choose Mapou over Taylor you gain Pace, better positional sense, better marking and overall more intelligence. You just lose more with Taylor in the side, but we will have to wait and see i suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Honestly some of you guys are really showing your lack of intelligence. At least when it comes to football. Like any type of defence. You are drilled to keep position. CB's generally always play on the same side in defence. Whether its RCB or LCB. Constantly swapping would just cause confusion. Secondly, clearly swapping CB's in-play would leave massive gaps in defence and another man free. The point is - Sunderland clearly picked out Mapou as the weak one. The same way Pardew thought Shola could get change out of Evans physically and in the air and that Ba had enough about him to go toe-to-toe with Ferdinand. That wasn't a lucky accident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Honestly some of you guys are really showing your lack of intelligence. At least when it comes to football. Like any type of defence. You are drilled to keep position. CB's generally always play on the same side in defence. Whether its RCB or LCB. Constantly swapping would just cause confusion. Secondly, clearly swapping CB's in-play would leave massive gaps in defence and another man free. The point is - Sunderland clearly picked out Mapou as the weak one. The same way Pardew thought Shola could get change out of Evans physically and in the air and that Ba had enough about him to go toe-to-toe with Ferdinand. That wasn't a lucky accident. Fuck me sideways, where to start with this nonsense. Have you even played in a game of any sort. Of course you can swap over, you may start on one side but you need to react to certain situations. Constantly swapping only causes confusion to thick fuckers who dont how to play the game with any common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I know Mapou's fast. But everything else you've mentioned - I'm not sure about. I haven't seen it. Like intelligence, he has lapses in concentration that result in sloppy passes. The only games he impressed in, he was away from the heat at FB. He looks a tidy footballer and he has a bit of pace. Same thing with Santon, aye that's good and all but are they good natural defenders? I know Santon isn't and he can improve. I'm looking to see some real natural defensive ability from Mapou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Saying Mapou is this and that based on his games in the EPL where he came in to a fucking mess as a young player in a new league and culture. Absolutely laughable imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Honestly some of you guys are really showing your lack of intelligence. At least when it comes to football. Like any type of defence. You are drilled to keep position. CB's generally always play on the same side in defence. Whether its RCB or LCB. Constantly swapping would just cause confusion. Secondly, clearly swapping CB's in-play would leave massive gaps in defence and another man free. The point is - Sunderland clearly picked out Mapou as the weak one. The same way Pardew thought Shola could get change out of Evans physically and in the air and that Ba had enough about him to go toe-to-toe with Ferdinand. That wasn't a lucky accident. So if we were playing against Andy Carroll and he decided he was going to take up position on Mbiwa's side of the pitch, we'd just shrug our shoulders and say "that's a bummer"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 For me it's Taylor's place to lose, he's a more confident and experienced premiership defender and it shows. I do think a full season for mapou will see that turned on its head and Taylor warming the bench next season should colo stay, we will really have to mess up mapou for him not to get ahead of Taylor soon like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Honestly some of you guys are really showing your lack of intelligence. At least when it comes to football. Like any type of defence. You are drilled to keep position. CB's generally always play on the same side in defence. Whether its RCB or LCB. Constantly swapping would just cause confusion. Secondly, clearly swapping CB's in-play would leave massive gaps in defence and another man free. The point is - Sunderland clearly picked out Mapou as the weak one. The same way Pardew thought Shola could get change out of Evans physically and in the air and that Ba had enough about him to go toe-to-toe with Ferdinand. That wasn't a lucky accident. So if we were playing against Andy Carroll and he decided he was going to take up position on Mbiwa's side of the pitch, we'd just shrug our shoulders and say "that's a bummer"? Bit of a difference between Andy Carroll and Danny Graham, like. I've never seen Graham dominate anyone the way he dominated MYM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Shouldn't we play the two which suit certain games, Saylor if there's threat from a certain forward line, and say Mapou if another forward has pace and not so much threat in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I've seldom seen John Terry play on the right side of CB for Chelsea. If he has to come across he will. But even if someone's causing him trouble with pace he doesn't swap sides. Likewise Colo has his side and I rarely see him move because he has been exposed. It's dead easy for the striker to continually attack his side anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Shouldn't we play the two which suit certain games, Saylor if there's threat from a certain forward line, and say Mapou if another forward has pace and not so much threat in the air. That would have made sense to me like, but apparently we know fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Honestly some of you guys are really showing your lack of intelligence. At least when it comes to football. Like any type of defence. You are drilled to keep position. CB's generally always play on the same side in defence. Whether its RCB or LCB. Constantly swapping would just cause confusion. Secondly, clearly swapping CB's in-play would leave massive gaps in defence and another man free. The point is - Sunderland clearly picked out Mapou as the weak one. The same way Pardew thought Shola could get change out of Evans physically and in the air and that Ba had enough about him to go toe-to-toe with Ferdinand. That wasn't a lucky accident. So if we were playing against Andy Carroll and he decided he was going to take up position on Mbiwa's side of the pitch, we'd just shrug our shoulders and say "that's a bummer"? Bit of a difference between Andy Carroll and Danny Graham, like. I've never seen Graham dominate anyone the way he dominated MYM. In what way did Graham dominate MYM? In what manner would you describe it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 IMO CB is the most part partnership orientated area of the pitch. In CM or attack different partnerships work for different scenarios but not with CB. It's because organisation, regiment and understanding is So important at the back. I remember last season Wenger brought Vermaelen back at CB for one game as the opposition had a lot of pace. Arsenal looked a mess. We get brought Mertesacker Back in with Koscielny against every opponent and they where much better. The strength of the partnership was stronger than any individual weaknesses. No coincidence out best run at the back happened when we put the and Back 5 out consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I know Mapou's fast. But everything else you've mentioned - I'm not sure about. I haven't seen it. Like intelligence, he has lapses in concentration that result in sloppy passes. The only games he impressed in, he was away from the heat at FB. He looks a tidy footballer and he has a bit of pace. Same thing with Santon, aye that's good and all but are they good natural defenders? I know Santon isn't and he can improve. I'm looking to see some real natural defensive ability from Mapou. That's such bullshit, man He had his poor games, but he also had performances that made it easy to see why he's rated so highly. Just look in his thread after some of the early performances, nothing but compliments for his anticipation and marking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 MYM has the pedegree, think he'll be one of the best CBs in the league in a few years based on very little but a hunch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Shouldn't we play the two which suit certain games, Saylor if there's threat from a certain forward line, and say Mapou if another forward has pace and not so much threat in the air. That would have made sense to me like, but apparently we know fuck all. There is a certain lack of middle ground on a lot things on here like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 IMO CB is the most part partnership orientated area of the pitch. In CM or attack different partnerships work for different scenarios but not with CB. It's because organisation, regiment and understanding is So important at the back. I remember last season Wenger brought Vermaelen back at CB for one game as the opposition had a lot of pace. Arsenal looked a mess. We get brought Mertesacker Back in with Koscielny against every opponent and they where much better. The strength of the partnership was stronger than any individual weaknesses. No coincidence out best run at the back happened when we put the and Back 5 out consistently. We? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Typing on an iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Would rather Bigi started 25 games this season than Tiote tbh. At least the mistakes he'll make, he will learn from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Would rather Bigi started 25 games this season than Tiote tbh. At least the mistakes he'll make, he will learn from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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