Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 By seriously comparing him to Kieron Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 By seriously comparing him to Kieron Dyer. You make out Dyer is up there with the best of the best. He flattered to deceive most of the time and spent ridiculous amount of time injured. He was a total bell-end to boot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The general gist of it seems to be that although Dyer is clearly better with a ball at his feet than Nolan will ever be, he was injured far too often, and Niola, despite his limitations has scored 11 goals from midfield this season. And for those reasons some people would rather have Nolan in this squad than a young Dyer. I personaly wouldn't, but I can see where there coming from. Nolan isn't shite, and Dyer wasn't Lionel Messi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Niola? Massive spelling mistake there like but I think it sounds quite fetching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan doesn't even come close to our starting eleven from that era. Not even fucking close. Not even if you could guarantee his fitness for eleventy billion years. They're incomparable in terms of quality. Dyer was the much, much better player and there's no reasonable argument that can be against that. I agree and actually if you had the Dyer of old in this team we have now then it would be improve it a hell of a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan has been the better player. End of. None of this "Dyer's got more natural ability" crap.... at the end of the day it is Nolan that has made the most out of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. I'm devastated. I guess I'll just have to settle for a hat trick against the mackems. Woe is me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. you'll never see Dyer score a hat-rick or do a chicken dance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. I'm devastated. I guess I'll just have to settle for a hat trick against the mackems. Woe is me. Missing the point as per. I acknowledge that there is no one else in our squad that could do a job Nolan does (Getting on the end of things, being in the right place at the right time) and his goals have been absolutely key for us, but as an overall footballer he doesn't have a patch on Dyer. Lampard scores 3 times as many goals as Xavi, who's the better player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 you can have all the ability and attributes you want, at the end of the day if you don't preform.... then you're shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Has this debate seriously come down to "x player scored a beter goal, ner ner ner ner ner" Fuck me, we were aparantly in for Bradley Johnson, he scored a cracker against Arsenal, pribably better than any Xavi has ever and will ever score, clearly he is the better footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. I'm devastated. I guess I'll just have to settle for a hat trick against the mackems. Woe is me. Missing the point as per. I acknowledge that there is no one else in our squad that could do a job Nolan does (Getting on the end of things, being in the right place at the right time) and his goals have been absolutely key for us, but as an overall footballer he doesn't have a patch on Dyer. Lampard scores 3 times as many goals as Xavi, who's the better player? Right, how much a player contributes to the team consistently is completely irrelevant in lieu of this abstract concept of "being a better footballer" which I guess for you basically means being fast and having better technique. I am not even going to entertain the Lampard-Xavi comparison. What completely unabashed absurdity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You'll never see Nolan put in a performance like Dyer did at St. Mary's. Or Score a goal like Dyer did at Goodison. Simply because he's not good enough to be able to. I'm devastated. I guess I'll just have to settle for a hat trick against the mackems. Woe is me. Missing the point as per. I acknowledge that there is no one else in our squad that could do a job Nolan does (Getting on the end of things, being in the right place at the right time) and his goals have been absolutely key for us, but as an overall footballer he doesn't have a patch on Dyer. Lampard scores 3 times as many goals as Xavi, who's the better player? Right, how much a player contributes to the team consistently is completely irrelevant in lieu of this abstract concept of "being a better footballer" which I guess for you basically means being fast and having better technique. I am not even going to entertain the Lampard-Xavi comparison. What completely unabashed absurdity. not really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Could Ben Arfa play the role that Dyer did for us from the centre? Not that he's got the same engine to do that (well we do have Tiote now) His natural talent is way beyond Dyer's was but i've got doubts, probably better in a free role between midfield and attack or as a LW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan has been the better player. End of. None of this "Dyer's got more natural ability" crap.... at the end of the day it is Nolan that has made the most out of his career. Holy shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The first season that Nolan's done something in his career at the top level and suddenly he's been a better player than Kieron Dyer has over the course of his career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan more effective, Dyer more talented. End of lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Why did this Nolan vs. Dyer discussion start btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Kieron Dyer played three times in the World Cup. Nolan will never, ever come close to playing on that platform, at that level. Ever. This is such a ridiculous argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan more effective, Dyer more talented. End of lesson. What do you mean by effective? If you mean that Nolan has a bigger impact on matches than Dyer then you could not be more wrong, and you must have missed those two magical seasons under SBR. The only argument that you could reasonably make - and it would by no means be inarguable - is that Nolan is a more important player for his team than Dyer was for his. That, of course, ignores the respective positions of the teams and their respective aims. Honestly, this is like comparing a Ferrari to a fucking Toyota. Just because a Toyota doesn't break down doesn't mean you'd rather drive it if the Ferrari was sitting in your garage. Any person with a functioning brain picks the Ferrari without hesitation, and any intelligent football fan picks Dyer over Nolan without a moment's hesitation. There is no argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Wow, people are comparing Nolan and Dyer in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nolan more effective, Dyer more talented. End of lesson. Absolutely this. I know when he was on song, Dyer was easily the better player, but in terms of who has had a bigger impact on the club and contributed tangible positive things, Nolan wins hands down. Dyer flattered to decieve most of the time, anyway. He was all fart and no shit for a lot of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Come on, we're a mid-table team. There's only three players that would get in our SBR team and they're Enrique, Coloccini and Tiote. Nolan doesn't sniff the bench while Dyer's a guaranteed starter. There's no comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Kieron Dyer played three times in the World Cup. Nolan will never, ever come close to playing on that platform, at that level. Ever. This is such a ridiculous argument. What you have to factor into this argument is that Dyer was a bit of a cock and fan's view of him is jaundiced by that. Dyer was hated by a large section of the fans and it's reflected in a lot of the discussions around him. Remember the legendary thread "Dyer twatted in the Attic"? People were whooping with delight at the thought. Better to look at the football judges that don't have an axe to grind and who they would pick. Bobby Robson: Dyer England selectors: Dyer Man U scouts: Dyer Any club that doesn't have much money or serious ambition: Nolan end of story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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