LV Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Great servant to this club. Fantastic work-rate but sadly little end product. The sort of person I would love to have around in the workplace given his banter. Definitely did not deserve to be chucked out of the club without an explanation. It's not that hard to tell someone that they have been valued for the contribution they have made over the years but that the manager feels there are better options at the club now and that it would be better for the player to move on to somewhere where they will get a game. Certainly feels like a contract clause issue and a diktat from above to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What garbage. He's been treated above and beyond what his laughable contribution has merited. I'm referring to his treatment at the end, he has been treated well most of the time he's been here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 not the first time a good pro has been unceremoniously thrown of a club won't be the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Jonas told Steve Wraith on twitter that it wasn't his choice to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Jonas told Steve Wraith on twitter that it wasn't his choice to leave. We going to see his smug face plastered all over the ronnie gill next to his PC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 SEMTEX is spot-on about this. Real lack of class shown by those at NUFC, shock horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny, I can't remember the club being slated when we cast aside players like Kelly, Peacock, Venison, etc. as the club was evolving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny, I can't remember the club being slated when we cast aside players like Kelly, Peacock, Venison, etc. as the club was evolving. Can't recall specifically but maybe Keegan treated them with an element of respect when they were leaving, I'd be surprised if not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 You know, rather than "Mike says we're done with you now, fuck off m8". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've already said my thoughts on this before, think it's a load of crap and just another unnecessary stick to beat Pardew with. He's got enough already which he deserves, this though, nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Shipping players out after they've served their purpose is fair enough, it's how things work. There's a certain way to go about it though and treating players like shit isn't it like. There's absolutely no reason why the player can't be shifted on whilst still treating the individual with a bit of respect, honesty and courtesy. Needs to come from the very top though and that's where it breaks down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Shipping players out after they've served their purpose is fair enough, it's how things work. There's a certain way to go about it though and treating players like s*** isn't it like. There's absolutely no reason why the player can't be shifted on whilst still treating the individual with a bit of respect, honesty and courtesy. Needs to come from the very top though and that's where it breaks down. I don't get how though? We told him he'd not play and to find another club. I'm sure he doesn't need to be buttered up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny, I can't remember the club being slated when we cast aside players like Kelly, Peacock, Venison, etc. as the club was evolving. I said this the other day, man. Says it all about how far we've falled when Jonas fucking Gutierrez - a player who derives most of his credit from helping us back to the PL after helping us go down - is expected to leave with some sort of emotional fanfare. If he'd been given a new contract we'd all be rightly incensed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 No-one leaves these days without a sour taste in the mouth, if they didn't have it - it means Ashley hasn't won. He always wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I said this the other day, man. Says it all about how far we've falled when Jonas fucking Gutierrez - a player who derives most of his credit from helping us back to the PL after helping us go down - is expected to leave with some sort of emotional fanfare. If he'd been given a new contract we'd all be rightly incensed. Are you under contractual obligation to repeat the same thing every 10 posts? Go and watch some Haidara v Liverpool videos or something man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've already said my thoughts on this before, think it's a load of crap and just another unnecessary stick to beat Pardew with. He's got enough already which he deserves, this though, nah. You're clearly a top chap and an ace poster, so I don't know why you seem to be deliberately missing the point. It's not an unjustified stick to beat Pardew with, he's blatantly handled it poorly and not only do I not like that, but I doubt it has done wonders for the morale of the squad to see a nice chap like Jonas being treated like a dickhead suddenly after having been an ever-present, for no reason. The most annoying thing about this forum at the minute is "That's just another stick to beat Pardew with", "Any excuse to have a pop" etc - it seems like justified concerns about his management are brushed off with this shite repeatedly at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Shipping players out after they've served their purpose is fair enough, it's how things work. There's a certain way to go about it though and treating players like s*** isn't it like. There's absolutely no reason why the player can't be shifted on whilst still treating the individual with a bit of respect, honesty and courtesy. Needs to come from the very top though and that's where it breaks down. I don't get how though? We told him he'd not play and to find another club. I'm sure he doesn't need to be buttered up. Without being privvy to the actual conversations it's hard to be certain. Just telling the bloke after 5 years he's no longer needed and find another club asap without any explanation (if Jonas is being honest) just seems really harsh on the bloke though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Shipping players out after they've served their purpose is fair enough, it's how things work. There's a certain way to go about it though and treating players like s*** isn't it like. There's absolutely no reason why the player can't be shifted on whilst still treating the individual with a bit of respect, honesty and courtesy. Needs to come from the very top though and that's where it breaks down. I don't get how though? We told him he'd not play and to find another club. I'm sure he doesn't need to be buttered up. "I know you played nearly every game last season, but you're not getting in my squad anymore and you need to find another club". Aye, nice one. Fucking Obertan's getting minutes. Like SEMTEX says, he's been told to shift him on - the least he could have done was treat the player with respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm not even particularly annoyed at Pardew on this one personally. I find it hard to get angry at the puppet when you can see the big owld sausage fingers pulling his strings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Shipping players out after they've served their purpose is fair enough, it's how things work. There's a certain way to go about it though and treating players like s*** isn't it like. There's absolutely no reason why the player can't be shifted on whilst still treating the individual with a bit of respect, honesty and courtesy. Needs to come from the very top though and that's where it breaks down. I don't get how though? We told him he'd not play and to find another club. I'm sure he doesn't need to be buttered up. "I know you played nearly every game last season, but you're not getting in my squad anymore and you need to find another club". Aye, nice one. f***ing Obertan's getting minutes. Like SEMTEX says, he's been told to shift him on - the least he could have done was treat the player with respect. He's played barely 100 minutes in 4 months. Even if Semtex is right with the contract situation, again, if Jonas knows there's this clause and he's nowhere near the first-team picture, it can't be a surprise to him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 He played nearly every game up to the end of last season man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 For the vast majority of those games, the common name on the bench while he starts is Anita. He's overtaken him now. We also have no injuries unlike last season. Coupled with the fact Jonas deteriorated badly last season, does he really need it explained to him and an arm round the shoulder telling him that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 According to transfermarkt he was injured from 19th August - 1st October. So he featured versus Man City, got injured, then never featured after his recovery. Suddenly he's just not good enough and doesn't deserve any explanation for having to find another club. OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Jonas is sub human scum and deserves to be treat with utter contempt, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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