Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I go back to my first point then, how's telling him he's no longer good enough and we now have better than him any better? He didn't have to be told that he's no longer good enough, it doesn't have to be one or the other. I don't see how this could have been handled better than it appears to have been handled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So how often does someone go from first name on the team-sheet to completely MIA? Harper? Simpson? Cisse? Ben Arfa? S.Taylor? Players lose form, better players come in, manager prefers someone else, etc. Did any of those players go from playing every-single-game to not even making the bench? Given the last 3 all made an appearance at the weekend, they don't seem like great examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So how often does someone go from first name on the team-sheet to completely MIA? Harper? Simpson? Cisse? Ben Arfa? S.Taylor? Players lose form, better players come in, manager prefers someone else, etc. Did any of those players go from playing every-single-game to not even making the bench? Given the last 3 all made an appearance at the weekend, they don't seem like great examples. They all went from first-team regulars to being similarly dropped for whatever reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So how often does someone go from first name on the team-sheet to completely MIA? Harper? Simpson? Cisse? Ben Arfa? S.Taylor? Players lose form, better players come in, manager prefers someone else, etc. Did any of those players go from playing every-single-game to not even making the bench? Given the last 3 all made an appearance at the weekend, they don't seem like great examples. They all went from first-team regulars to being similarly dropped for whatever reasons. So which ones went from playing every single game, first name on the teamsheet etc, to not making the bench? edit - he didnt even make the bench for the reprehensible FA cup as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It's all about respect and common courtesy Nut, if it's true then Pardew showed none at all. Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself, like Mick says. It's not only poor management in terms of Jonas, it carries across the squad too as they obviously don't want to hear that their colleague(not to mention a very popular one) is being treated like a twat by the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So how often does someone go from first name on the team-sheet to completely MIA? Harper? Simpson? Cisse? Ben Arfa? S.Taylor? Players lose form, better players come in, manager prefers someone else, etc. Did any of those players go from playing every-single-game to not even making the bench? Given the last 3 all made an appearance at the weekend, they don't seem like great examples. They all went from first-team regulars to being similarly dropped for whatever reasons. So which ones went from playing every single game, first name on the teamsheet etc, to not making the bench? Harper after we got Elliot. Taylor until Coloccini got injured. Simpson was our only other right-back so no alternatives to him, Ben Arfa & Cisse are better than other players not on the bench. Same can't be said for Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Diddums to Jonas then. Great bloke but needs to man up if he's whinging about this. I hope you expect the same treatment as you're happy for him to receive. Making more money than anyone else would dream of paying him and being kept in the side for a year despite being the weakest link game after game. Treat like a dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So how often does someone go from first name on the team-sheet to completely MIA? Harper? Simpson? Cisse? Ben Arfa? S.Taylor? Players lose form, better players come in, manager prefers someone else, etc. Did any of those players go from playing every-single-game to not even making the bench? Given the last 3 all made an appearance at the weekend, they don't seem like great examples. They all went from first-team regulars to being similarly dropped for whatever reasons. So which ones went from playing every single game, first name on the teamsheet etc, to not making the bench? Harper after we got Elliot. Taylor until Coloccini got injured. You see, I seem to remember Harper being on the bench a great deal, just not for away games. I also recall him getting a proper farewell by being given a first team chance at the end of the season. Seems rather contrasting to Jonas' treatment to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Only because Krul was injured and Elliot suspended though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So out of your 5 like-for-like examples, not a single one actually satisfies "from playing every single game, to not making the bench, even for the FA cup?" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Like i said, S.Taylor. Until Coloccini was injured he wasn't even sub. For the others there's hardly an alternative, there are lots of alternatives for Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Smith is a better example. Crap footballer, nice guy (supposedly) who got completely frozen out. Pardew didn't give him a real explanation either IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Like i said, S.Taylor. Until Coloccini was injured he wasn't even sub. For the others there's hardly an alternative, there are lots of alternatives for Jonas. I quit. Just an fyi, if there is a caveat, then it isn't like-for-like. But I can't be fucked to try and get this through anymore. I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Making more money than anyone else would dream of paying him and being kept in the side for a year despite being the weakest link game after game. Treat like a dog. How much somebody is paid should have nothing to do with how they are treated, should it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Making more money than anyone else would dream of paying him and being kept in the side for a year despite being the weakest link game after game. Treat like a dog. How much somebody is paid should have nothing to do with how they are treated, should it? Especially when they're not even paid that well in relation to how much money they're bringing in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Making more money than anyone else would dream of paying him and being kept in the side for a year despite being the weakest link game after game. Treat like a dog. How much somebody is paid should have nothing to do with how they are treated, should it? Especially when they're not even paid that well in relation to how much money they're bringing in. soljers wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What garbage. He's been treated above and beyond what his laughable contribution has merited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Great servant to this club. Fantastic work-rate but sadly little end product. The sort of person I would love to have around in the workplace given his banter. Definitely did not deserve to be chucked out of the club without an explanation. It's not that hard to tell someone that they have been valued for the contribution they have made over the years but that the manager feels there are better options at the club now and that it would be better for the player to move on to somewhere where they will get a game. Certainly feels like a contract clause issue and a diktat from above to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What garbage. He's been treated above and beyond what his laughable contribution has merited. I'm referring to his treatment at the end, he has been treated well most of the time he's been here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 not the first time a good pro has been unceremoniously thrown of a club won't be the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Jonas told Steve Wraith on twitter that it wasn't his choice to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Jonas told Steve Wraith on twitter that it wasn't his choice to leave. We going to see his smug face plastered all over the ronnie gill next to his PC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 SEMTEX is spot-on about this. Real lack of class shown by those at NUFC, shock horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny, I can't remember the club being slated when we cast aside players like Kelly, Peacock, Venison, etc. as the club was evolving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny, I can't remember the club being slated when we cast aside players like Kelly, Peacock, Venison, etc. as the club was evolving. Can't recall specifically but maybe Keegan treated them with an element of respect when they were leaving, I'd be surprised if not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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