Not worthy of a thread - 2018 FIFA World Cup edition

[Ant1815]

The thing about Sepp Blatter and FIFA is that they now consider themselves to be footballing missionaries, bringing the religeon of football to the unbelievers. As such England was never going to be picked. We're already football mad, what new converts to the football brand could be made by having the world cup in England?

 

There's nothing inherantly wrong with FIFA's approach; every brand seeks to expand it's market in to new areas. What was definitely wrong with FIFA's approach is that they weren't a lot more open and honest about it. If they were then nations like Spain and England would have known in advance that there was no point bidding because they simply weren't fertile enough ground for the expansion of the cult of football. There would have been a lot of time, effort, and more importantly money (£15 million spent for the England bid) saved if FIFA had simply been more frank about the bidding process, and what they considered important, which quite obviously wasn't much to do with the technical ability to actually hold the competition itself.

 

[Mick]

The thing about Sepp Blatter and FIFA is that they now consider themselves to be footballing missionaries, bringing the religeon of football to the unbelievers. As such England was never going to be picked. We're already football mad, what new converts to the football brand could be made by having the world cup in England?

 

There's nothing inherantly wrong with FIFA's approach; every brand seeks to expand it's market in to new areas. What was definitely wrong with FIFA's approach is that they weren't a lot more open and honest about it. If they were then nations like Spain and England would have known in advance that there was no point bidding because they simply weren't fertile enough ground for the expansion of the cult of football. There would have been a lot of time, effort, and more importantly money (£15 million spent for the England bid) saved if FIFA had simply been more frank about the bidding process, and what they considered important, which quite obviously wasn't much to do with the technical ability to actually hold the competition itself.

 

 

I'm sure football is the best supported sport in Russia.

[Guest BooBoo]

Read somewhere today (credible i may add, not in The Sun) that most of the Exco dismissed the England 2018 brochure (actually it was more like a yellow pages) and didnt bother reading it.

 

Yesterday was a farce, votes were clearly sorted out a long time ago. Having two bids voted for at once left the whole procedure wide open to "scratch our back and we'll scratch yours" shenanigans.

[Guest BooBoo]

The thing about Sepp Blatter and FIFA is that they now consider themselves to be footballing missionaries, bringing the religeon of football to the unbelievers. As such England was never going to be picked. We're already football mad, what new converts to the football brand could be made by having the world cup in England?

 

There's nothing inherantly wrong with FIFA's approach; every brand seeks to expand it's market in to new areas. What was definitely wrong with FIFA's approach is that they weren't a lot more open and honest about it. If they were then nations like Spain and England would have known in advance that there was no point bidding because they simply weren't fertile enough ground for the expansion of the cult of football. There would have been a lot of time, effort, and more importantly money (£15 million spent for the England bid) saved if FIFA had simply been more frank about the bidding process, and what they considered important, which quite obviously wasn't much to do with the technical ability to actually hold the competition itself.

 

 

I'm sure football is the best supported sport in Russia.

 

 

Bear wrestling?

[timeEd32]

Wonder why England and us are labelled "Medium Risk" regarding stadium operations when we are organizing the two top leagues in the world every weekend, with more than a hundred professional games being played all over the territory.

 

Found this for Spain/Portugal - "Criticised for not specifying 'a clear operational concept' for safety and security and not providing sufficient details of its IT plans."

 

This is mentioned for England - "Contractual issues surrounding the number of 'venue specific' training sites." Not sure if that relates though - could crowd behavior be a factor?

 

 

[Mick]

 

Bear wrestling?

 

That's classed as going shopping.

[JH]

We should just start taking the piss. Next time they offer us the chance to bid, stick a bid in with stadiums including Bury FC and Accrington Stanley, with the final being staged at Croft Park in Blyth.

 

We'll assign all broadcasting rights to ITV, have the ceremony hosted by the Cheeky Girls and put the BBC in charge of FIFA liaision.

 

Sorted. England 2032 - because wa worth it.

[Ant1815]

The thing about Sepp Blatter and FIFA is that they now consider themselves to be footballing missionaries, bringing the religeon of football to the unbelievers. As such England was never going to be picked. We're already football mad, what new converts to the football brand could be made by having the world cup in England?

 

There's nothing inherantly wrong with FIFA's approach; every brand seeks to expand it's market in to new areas. What was definitely wrong with FIFA's approach is that they weren't a lot more open and honest about it. If they were then nations like Spain and England would have known in advance that there was no point bidding because they simply weren't fertile enough ground for the expansion of the cult of football. There would have been a lot of time, effort, and more importantly money (£15 million spent for the England bid) saved if FIFA had simply been more frank about the bidding process, and what they considered important, which quite obviously wasn't much to do with the technical ability to actually hold the competition itself.

 

 

I'm sure football is the best supported sport in Russia.

 

Yes, but it's a bit like being the best looking lass in Sunderland... there isn't much competition.

 

Trust me, I've been to Russia a few times and, although football is fairly popular, it's nowhere near the level it could be.

[Mick]

Yes, but it's a bit like being the best looking lass in Sunderland... there isn't much competition.

 

Trust me, I've been to Russia a few times and, although football is fairly popular, it's nowhere near the level it could be.

 

I doubt that hosting a tournament is going to change anything, at least not long term.

[Colocho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znDM0CUukA&feature=related

[Ant1815]

Yes, but it's a bit like being the best looking lass in Sunderland... there isn't much competition.

 

Trust me, I've been to Russia a few times and, although football is fairly popular, it's nowhere near the level it could be.

 

I doubt that hosting a tournament is going to change anything, at least not long term.

 

Maybe, maybe not, but what we think doesn't matter. FIFA clearly thinks it will, otherwise they wouldn't have world cups in these places, they'd just stick to the traditional footballing strongholds in Europe and South America.

[Wullie]

I echo Ant's sentiments - if the World Cup bid preference is now for new territories, fair enough, not saying I necessarily agree with it but you can see the logic - but don't then let the likes of us, Spain and the USA run round like blue arsed flies and waste a load of money on a bid that we are essentially excluded from winning.

 

Also doesn't excuse Australia only getting one vote, think that could have been a tremendous WC.

[midds]

Yep. 

 

Not got any problem with FIFA sharing it around but at least be honest about it and limit the bids from the larger nations.

[JH]

Early morning kick offs would have been quite annoying like

[Cronky]

Next time it's Europe's turn, we should take the piss by getting the Vatican to put in a bid.

[Mick]

Maybe, maybe not, but what we think doesn't matter. FIFA clearly thinks it will, otherwise they wouldn't have world cups in these places, they'd just stick to the traditional footballing strongholds in Europe and South America.

 

If that was true then why go to a country which is smaller than Wales and has a population which may or may not be a little bigger than the poulation of Tyne & wear?

[johnnypd]

Next time it's Europe's turn, we should take the piss by getting the Vatican to put in a bid.

 

how about Luxembourg - i wonder if there's be any objections to this - as it would basically be the same as Qatar - similar size, both rich, tiny nations, crap at football. except luxembourg has none of the human rights issues, or stifling heat or lack of anything approaching a civil society.

[JH]

I see the acting charmain of the FA Roger Burden is quitting "because he does not trust FIFA members"

 

Oh no! 

[Ant1815]

Maybe, maybe not, but what we think doesn't matter. FIFA clearly thinks it will, otherwise they wouldn't have world cups in these places, they'd just stick to the traditional footballing strongholds in Europe and South America.

 

If that was true then why go to a country which is smaller than Wales and has a population which may or may not be a little bigger than the poulation of Tyne & wear?

 

Because their target isn't just qatar itself, it's the middle East. Just like their target in the last world cup wasn't solely South Africa but the whole continent of Africa. The influence of the world cup extends further than just the national boundaries of the host country.

[Mick]

Because their target isn't just qatar itself, it's the middle East. Just like their target in the last world cup wasn't solely South Africa but the whole continent of Africa. The influence of the world cup extends further than just the national boundaries of the host country.

 

That rules Europe and South America out of ever having another WC as it would be pointless.

[Ant1815]

Because their target isn't just qatar itself, it's the middle East. Just like their target in the last world cup wasn't solely South Africa but the whole continent of Africa. The influence of the world cup extends further than just the national boundaries of the host country.

 

That rules Europe and South America out of ever having another WC as it would be pointless.

 

The way things are going that's looking more likely. I think that FIFA will be reigned in a bit one way or another in the next few years though.

[Mick]

The way things are going that's looking more likely. I think that FIFA will be reigned in a bit one way or another in the next few years though.

 

The Yanks aren't too happy with the voting so they might start to look closer at FIFA and the 22 who had a vote.

[Ant1815]

The way things are going that's looking more likely. I think that FIFA will be reigned in a bit one way or another in the next few years though.

 

The Yanks aren't too happy with the voting so they might start to look closer at FIFA and the 22 who had a vote.

 

Everyone will start looking more closely. What England have just found out will no doubt soon dawn on Spain. Italy, France, Germany etc. To use a retailing analogy: It's all very well looking for new customers, but you can't p!ss off your existing ones.

[Ketsbaia]

I see the acting charmain of the FA Roger Burden is quitting "because he does not trust FIFA members"

 

Oh no! 

 

Things are starting to kick off now, which is great. FIFA shouldn't get away with this and I hope they rot.

 

Hopefully by the time 2026 bidding begins, Blatter will be gone and some sane person might let Europe have 2026. Although England still shouldn't go for it, because FIFA will still be a corrupt and pathetic organisation.

[midds]

I see the acting charmain of the FA Roger Burden is quitting "because he does not trust FIFA members"

 

Oh no! 

 

Things are starting to kick off now, which is great. FIFA shouldn't get away with this and I hope they rot.

 

Hopefully by the time 2026 bidding begins, Blatter will be gone and some sane person might let Europe have 2026. Although England still shouldn't go for it, because FIFA will still be a corrupt and pathetic organisation.

 

You can't beat 'the man'. Honesty and reliability won't get you anywhere.

 

Know the rules and work things from the inside.