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Hughton wouldn't have achieved the same IMO he had been shown up a few times this season and he looked worryingly indecisive when we were under the cosh. Pards is a better manager, he makes better decisions and quicker. Loved Hughton as a bloke but in the long term he was never going be the answer, he just doesn't have the nous to be a top manager.

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Hughton wouldn't have achieved the same IMO he had been shown up a few times this season and he looked worryingly indecisive when we were under the cosh. Pards is a better manager, he makes better decisions and quicker. Loved Hughton as a bloke but in the long term he was never going be the answer, he just doesn't have the nous to be a top manager.

 

Under the cosh without Tiote? I think if Pards didn't have him he wouldn't be doing so well.

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Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too.

 

Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him ???

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How many games did Tiote miss under Hughton? He missed 3 under Pardew and in those games we played very well v Sunderland and Spurs.

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I'm happy enough with Pardew so far, he's done a good job. Nothing Hughton couldn't have done IMO, but that's irrelevant really considering we'll never know.  It's a strange situation because normally an outgoing manager is doing particularly poorly and any upturn is easy to spot.

 

Depends on what sort of timescale you use. After the Arsenal victory (which I will be the first to agree was a fantastic result), our form nosedived drastically. Losing at home to Blackburn 1-2 and West Brom 1-3, drawing at home to Fulham 0-0 and thrashed at Bolton 5-1, teams that would all end up around us or relegated (in the case of W. Brom) were all very poor results. The only respite seemed to be the 1-1 home draw with Chelsea. So if you compare Hughton's last few matches with the results since Pardew took over, the form upturn is clear as day unless you are just deliberately closing your eyes and refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

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I'm happy enough with Pardew so far, he's done a good job. Nothing Hughton couldn't have done IMO, but that's irrelevant really considering we'll never know.  It's a strange situation because normally an outgoing manager is doing particularly poorly and any upturn is easy to spot.

 

Depends on what sort of timescale you use. After the Arsenal victory (which I will be the first to agree was a fantastic result), our form nosedived drastically. Losing at home to Blackburn 1-2 and West Brom 1-3, drawing at home to Fulham 0-0 and thrashed at Bolton 5-1, teams that would all end up around us or relegated (in the case of W. Brom) were all very poor results. The only respite seemed to be the 1-1 home draw with Chelsea. So if you compare Hughton's last few matches with the results since Pardew took over, the form upturn is clear as day unless you are just deliberately closing your eyes and refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

 

Yes  but please look at the injury lists for those games, Pardew has had yet to go through a stage with so many key injuries/suspensions.

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Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too.

 

Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him ???

 

Fair point about HBA but it's the same HBA that has not played under Pardew either, so that point is moot. In terms of injuries/suspensions to key players, Pardew has had a more difficult time which made the upturn in  form even more impressive!

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Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too.

 

Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him ???

 

Fair point about HBA but it's the same HBA that has not played under Pardew either, so that point is moot. In terms of injuries/suspensions to key players, Pardew has had a more difficult time which made the upturn in  form even more impressive!

 

How has he had a more difficult time, that is such rubbish, seriously next season I'm going to quote this because Pardew has come in as a new manager and managers always do well when they first come in look at Souness, Roeder etc, seriously I'm not going to say anything more, but next season I think a lot of people will be changing their minds about saying that he's an upgrade when Carlton Cole comes in and partners ol' Shola upfont.

 

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So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted.

 

Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to asess Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew.

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So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. I look forward to the calls for Pardew to go when we have our next run of LDLDL.

 

Why do you sound surprised? You know the calls will come :lol:

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So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted.

 

Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew.

 

Can you fuck off following me around? Cheers.

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So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted.

 

Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew.

 

Can you f*** off following me around? Cheers.

 

Following you around???  :lol: :lol: :lol:... you think too highly of yourself

 

What's your problem? I just happen to disagree with lots of your views  :lol:

 

You make a silly point on a public forum, of course you'll be shown up for it. Peace

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So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted.

 

Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew.

 

Can you fuck off following me around? Cheers.

 

:lol:

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I think Pardew has done a top job in difficult circumstances.

 

Look what he has had to deal with

 

A disappointed and sceptical playing squad

Fans apathetic to his appointment

No tiote for large periods

No Carroll for large periods and then being the public face to explain his sale

No shola for a few games

One of the biggest cup shocks in recent years

 

The guy has the thickest of skin and has done a top top job when considering the above

 

He's massively changed my opinion of him. Top stuff

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I think Pardew has done a top job in difficult circumstances.

 

Look what he has had to deal with

 

A disappointed and sceptical playing squad

Fans apathetic to his appointment

No tiote for large periods

No Carroll for large periods and then being the public face to explain his sale

No shola for a few games

One of the biggest cup shocks in recent years

 

The guy has the thickest of skin and has done a top top job when considering the above

 

He's massively changed my opinion of him. Top stuff

 

Cannot argue against his results, which are impressive. Especially when considering all the stuff he had to deal with, as you mention

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Critics of Mike Ashley’s transfer blueprint – bringing in young, promising players with a point to prove rather than ‘names’ reaching the end of their career – have accused United of trying to achieve success on the cheap.

 

Who's said that? And who wouldn't want 'success on the cheap'? Piffle, man.

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