Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If we qualify for European, the fans, players and manager will expect investment and we will need it if we are to compete in Europe and maintain this level in the league next year. I don't think this regime have any intention of spending the money required, so it's almost inevitable we'll go backwards. They'll see how Birmingham have done and will think we can do better. They've just spent around £10 million on Cisse, I think that was like when we were going for promotion and brought in players to make sure we reached our target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Does anyone think anyone decent would work under Ashley yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Blackburn away was when I really started to question Pardew, that's gained serious momentum at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Does anyone think anyone decent would work under Ashley yet? Nobody can answer that, the negatives that Ashley brings will be a negative at every club soon because of the financial fair play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 In our last 5 league games (QPR, Fulham, Blackburn, Villa, Spurs) before today I cannot recall a single convincing performance. Our form has declined sharply since that Man Utd win. Despite it being a win that Blackburn game was absolutely horrendous- possibly one of the worst showings I've ever witnessed from us, whilst the Spurs game was just a whimper of a 'performance'. Results are starting to become worryingly inconsistent and Pardew must arrest this problem starting with next week. His team selections and tactical (or lack of) interventions during games are nothing short of mediocre, imo. Thankfully we've had such a good season up until now so we don't have to be looking over our shoulders, but days like today are infuriating and totally unacceptable. todays team selection, while not what i'd have picked was enough to beat wolves. the tactics of containment and hit on the break were crap. I totally agree, but why when the game was pegged back to 2-2 were we playing with only one striker up front for 10-15mins? Ridiculous. And why is it that from the start of the 2nd half we played a very deep line when Wolves had little pace to get in behind us? We should have come out with a well focused mentality and look to finish the game off! Whether all of that is down to Pardew or not is debatable, but he should be playing a major role in that. And why Ben Arfa was only given 15 minutes is just something I cant even fathom... This here is on the money. Spot on. Ap's tactics at HT fucked us as it has so many times this season and why we have player so shit on a consistent basis. Im at the the point where i actually have had enough of this shit from AP. I've tried to support and defend but enough is enough....wake the fuck up Alan. 2-0 and we start the seconf half in a defensive manner....seriously...wake the fuck up. Today we drew but i actually feel worse than the 5-0 or the 5-2 defeats at Spurs and Fulham. Shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Does anyone think anyone decent would work under Ashley yet? Nobody can answer that, the negatives that Ashley brings will be a negative at every club soon because of the financial fair play. you mean he may actually be ahead of the game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 he's a frustrating manager, that guy from espn has got it right, he said when pardew was at west ham they did not play attractive football , it was direct, hoof long ball, he said that about everyone of pardews teams play the exact same way. he also said Alan Pardew was a con man, the type that would tell you his teams play attractive football but in actual fact its just direct football. And also called Pardew an Egomaniac. skip forward to 12:50 http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6;sport=3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Does anyone think anyone decent would work under Ashley yet? Nobody can answer that, the negatives that Ashley brings will be a negative at every club soon because of the financial fair play. you mean he may actually be ahead of the game ? I think he might actually be, but it'll count for feck all if as i suspect, that Uefa dont enforce the rules as they have promoted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 you mean he may actually be ahead of the game ? We probably are ahead of the game but I don't think that was the plan, I just think the financial fair play has come at a good time for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 he's a frustrating manager, that guy from espn has got it right, he said when pardew was at west ham they did not play attractive football , it was direct, hoof long ball, he said that about everyone of pardews teams play the exact same way. he also said Alan Pardew was a con man, the type that would tell you his teams play attractive football but in actual fact its just direct football. And also called Pardew an Egomaniac. skip forward to 11:33 http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6;sport=3 I agree with that, he talks shit and people take it all in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 he's a frustrating manager, that guy from espn has got it right, he said when pardew was at west ham they did not play attractive football , it was direct, hoof long ball, he said that about everyone of pardews teams play the exact same way. he also said Alan Pardew was a con man, the type that would tell you his teams play attractive football but in actual fact its just direct football. And also called Pardew an Egomaniac. skip forward to 11:33 http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6;sport=3 I agree with that, he talks shit and people take it all in. Not on here we dont, we have figured him out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Think there's still a lot of people who think he's playing good football. He plays just as much long ball guff as Fat Sam's Fat Head did, if not more, and he's quickly getting towards the same amount of negativity as he liked too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Think there's still a lot of people who think he's playing good football. He plays just as much long ball guff as Fat Sam's Fat Head did, if not more, and he's quickly getting towards the same amount of negativity as he liked too. He was getting loads of stick after the match today, people were blaming the players but he was getting more stick than any individual player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Think there's still a lot of people who think he's playing good football. He plays just as much long ball guff as Fat Sam's Fat Head did, if not more, and he's quickly getting towards the same amount of negativity as he liked too. He was getting loads of stick after the match today, people were blaming the players but he was getting more stick than any individual player. Buck stops with him ultimately. It's his team, he trains them, he picks them and chooses how to deploy them and replace them as and when. To be 2 up against a relegation team like Wolves and not take 3 points isn't acceptable. I understand that it doesn't always work out the way it should and poor teams sometimes defy the odds but we should have won today given the state of the game after 20 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Still annoyed at the lack of bite he instilled in us to keep pressing and fighting Wolves- we've had a long break after a humiliation in London, why aren't we going out to focus our anger from last time and control proceedings? I do wonder who we'd end up with if Pardew did get sacked next year (he'd have to be doing a bloody awful job to get booted, like). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Buck stops with him ultimately. It's his team, he trains them, he picks them and chooses how to deploy them and replace them as and when. To be 2 up against a relegation team like Wolves and not take 3 points isn't acceptable. I understand that it doesn't always work out the way it should and poor teams sometimes defy the odds but we should have won today given the state of the game after 20 minutes. I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Think there's still a lot of people who think he's playing good football. He plays just as much long ball guff as Fat Sam's Fat Head did, if not more, and he's quickly getting towards the same amount of negativity as he liked too. we have played some good stuff this season but it's got worse as the seasons went on with one or two exceptions. can't blame him for sticking with what's working though, even if i disagree with it. he may be having a rethink after spurs and today mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley and Llambias see our current position as being our level and do something at the end of the season if we finish too much lower than where we are now. If we qualify for Europe, the fans, players and manager will expect investment and we will need it if we are to compete in Europe and maintain this level in the league next year. I don't think this regime have any intention of spending the money required, so it's almost inevitable we'll go backwards. I think the investment has been pretty good this season, if not from a net total perspective, but the quality of players coming in has been top class for the money we've spent. The squad available we had today was worth more than ten times what Wolves could put out. It's not Ashley's fault if Pardew wants to play as if he's in charge of Wolves squad rather than a team of highly skilled footballers from all over the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 What pisses me off as much as anything is that we have the best spine to a team that I can remember for years. Krul, Taylor when fit, Coloccini, Tiote, Cabaye, Ba and Cisse. Very few teams can match that. We have a very good keeper, a very good central defence, a very good central midfield and a very good central attack yet they play as if they don't know each other as we can't link up our game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think the investment has been pretty good this season, if not from a net total perspective, but the quality of players coming in has been top class for the money we've spent. The squad available we had today was worth more than ten times what Wolves could put out. It's not Ashley's fault if Pardew wants to play as if he's in charge of Wolves squad rather than a team of highly skilled footballers from all over the world. There is no doubting the quality of the players that the scouting team at the club have identified and brought in and if it was down to Pardew to be brining in the talent I'd be dismayed if Ashley gave him the cash to buy a pack of Panini stickers. After a year or so playing for this bell-end though I'd be very surprised if most of the talented players won't be looking for a way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Today was his fault. 1) Making negative subs at a precarious 2-1 2) Making 2 subs before a very dangerous set piece 3) Sending on Shola to make it 4-4-2 waaaaaaaaay too late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think the investment has been pretty good this season, if not from a net total perspective, but the quality of players coming in has been top class for the money we've spent. The squad available we had today was worth more than ten times what Wolves could put out. It's not Ashley's fault if Pardew wants to play as if he's in charge of Wolves squad rather than a team of highly skilled footballers from all over the world. There is no doubting the quality of the players that the scouting team at the club have identified and brought in and if it was down to Pardew to be brining in the talent I'd be dismayed if Ashley gave him the cash to buy a pack of Panini stickers. After a year or so playing for this bell-end though I'd be very surprised if most of the talented players won't be looking for a way out. if it was down to Pardew I reckon we'd have been celebrating signing Jay Bothroyd rather than Papa Cisse tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 if it was down to Pardew I reckon we'd have been celebrating signing Jay Bothroyd rather than Papa Cisse tbh. Would have been signed in the summer as well, as Carroll's replacment playing alongside Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Fans starting to see through Pards now I think, yes we are sitting up high in the table but I'm not convinced that's down to Pardew. More like the players and a bit of blind luck. Its starting to look like Allardyce football in fact has been for a while, today was as bad as it gets. 2 nil up on a terrible wolves and we almost got beaten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 he's a frustrating manager, that guy from espn has got it right, he said when pardew was at west ham they did not play attractive football , it was direct, hoof long ball, he said that about everyone of pardews teams play the exact same way. he also said Alan Pardew was a con man, the type that would tell you his teams play attractive football but in actual fact its just direct football. And also called Pardew an Egomaniac. skip forward to 12:50 http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6;sport=3 Wow, never seen that. The bald bloke is scarily accurate with what we have found out about Pardew during his time here. Ive seen him constantly go on about his teams have always played good football etc. When in reality since the day he took over we have been a long ball team. It worked when we had the Carroll-Barton-nolan thing going. Then with Best and Shola. Then with Ba and Shola. But as we saw today, long ball is just not going to work with Ba and Cisse. So unless he decides to bench Cisse for Shola we need to change and adapt to our new and better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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