Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 For me, even if we had drawn the match, I still would have posted the same thing I posted last night. Seriously, if we had continued the second half in the same vein as the first, we would have got a result imho. I would have the same opinion if Santon's not injured. That change is criminal if it is for tactical reason. Perch made 2 f***ing stupid tackles within 15 mins. Santon seems like playing badly because he didn't get as much support from Jonas than Perch. Watch the match again and notice where is Jonas. What injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh? We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more? When do we have a back four that is that f***ing good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half. That would be your problem actually, he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block. You think we should try and cancel out our defensive frailties by defending, so does Pardew, I think it's completely backwards. "he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block" - and the end result is the opponent has spaces to run and attack Simpson directly. I repeat, I am ok with that, I am willing to take that risk, but on the other side it's Perch v Walcott FFS. You really think we could score a few goals and concede less, away at Emirates, with Perch, Willo and Simpson? Answer me, your answer is? Stop going on like Walcott's any good, he's not. To answer your question I think the performance last night is indicative of the way Pardew's got us playing, I don't think we should go toe to toe with Arsenal and try and beat them at their own game, but I reckon if he'd tried to coach a bit of attacking intent and nous into them that when we did have the ball we might have done a bit more with it as a team. He hasn't been at his best, but the same could be said for Rosicky till recently. Simply put, last night he got the man of the match which suggests that your assessment of how he played is way off. Wenger post match said it was one of the best games he has seen from Walcott, that he was outstanding. I'm in no position to argue with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 For me, even if we had drawn the match, I still would have posted the same thing I posted last night. Seriously, if we had continued the second half in the same vein as the first, we would have got a result imho. I would have the same opinion if Santon's not injured. That change is criminal if it is for tactical reason. Perch made 2 f***ing stupid tackles within 15 mins. Santon seems like playing badly because he didn't get as much support from Jonas than Perch. Watch the match again and notice where is Jonas. What injury? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91922.700.html Groin Strain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. I wonder if the same people who watched Arsenal' slick one two touch passing last night think it's got nothing to do with Wenger's coaching? The difference in the two teams approaches was like night and day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh? We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more? When do we have a back four that is that f***ing good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half. That would be your problem actually, he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block. You think we should try and cancel out our defensive frailties by defending, so does Pardew, I think it's completely backwards. "he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block" - and the end result is the opponent has spaces to run and attack Simpson directly. I repeat, I am ok with that, I am willing to take that risk, but on the other side it's Perch v Walcott FFS. You really think we could score a few goals and concede less, away at Emirates, with Perch, Willo and Simpson? Answer me, your answer is? Stop going on like Walcott's any good, he's not. To answer your question I think the performance last night is indicative of the way Pardew's got us playing, I don't think we should go toe to toe with Arsenal and try and beat them at their own game, but I reckon if he'd tried to coach a bit of attacking intent and nous into them that when we did have the ball we might have done a bit more with it as a team. He hasn't been at his best, but the same could be said for Rosicky till recently. Simply put, last night he got the man of the match which suggests that your assessment of how he played is way off. Wenger post match said it was one of the best games he has seen from Walcott, that he was outstanding. I'm in no position to argue with him. Fair enough, I was speaking more generally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. I wonder if the same people who watched Arsenal' slick one two touch passing last night think it's got nothing to do with Wenger's coaching? The difference in the two teams approaches was light night and day. Indeed, i imagine it's all down to the players. Keegan had Viduka, Owen, Martins, Geremi and Butt playing free flowing football at one point man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 For me, even if we had drawn the match, I still would have posted the same thing I posted last night. Seriously, if we had continued the second half in the same vein as the first, we would have got a result imho. I would have the same opinion if Santon's not injured. That change is criminal if it is for tactical reason. Perch made 2 f***ing stupid tackles within 15 mins. Santon seems like playing badly because he didn't get as much support from Jonas than Perch. Watch the match again and notice where is Jonas. What injury? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91922.700.html Groin Strain Injury or not to Santon, the second half tactics were completely unnecessary. We still had the midfield and Colo to try and pass it around. Nice simple passes would have done. Pardew overused the long ball tactic last night, if he mixed it around (as in the occasional long ball mixed with carpet football - essentially the same tactics we used against Man U at St. James' in January), then it would have been alright really. However, this didn't happen, it was long ball after long ball after long ball with no sign of any variation in our play. The fact we had basically restricted Ba, our best striker, to a few touches for most of the game should have been one of the many indications that the tactics weren't working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. I think the manager has complete control over how we approach games as a team and I think that the dominating tactic will out over the course of a season and when under pressure the team will revert to it no matter what, like last night. We do know that Pardew has no input on the attacking side of the game and that he spends 80% of his training time on stopping the opposition, that's a pretty clear indication of what he's telling the players if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Christ maybe Allardyce has just been hard done by all these years and it's been the players playing the percentages. Howay man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. The use of the long ball has been alarmingly high this past month or so. Some of the comparisons to Allardyce are a load of bullshit like, that has to be said. We have seen that Pardew is willing to adopt a pass and play style but really, he hasn't been using it enough! It's so frustrating that such a system has been under-used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. I think the manager has complete control over how we approach games as a team and I think that the dominating tactic will out over the course of a season and when under pressure the team will revert to it no matter what, like last night. We do know that Pardew has no input on the attacking side of the game and that he spends 80% of his training time on stopping the opposition, that's a pretty clear indication of what he's telling the players if you ask me. I think that that's a bit of a non-sequitur. Setting your team up to play a disciplined, defensive game does not mean that you are setting them up to play a direct style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then, you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... What is proof then? I don't think he's saying it for fun. And you'd have to be blind to suggest Pardew sets out to play anything other than direct football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... The fans of all the previous clubs he managed will tell you the same thing. Plenty of our fans will tell you the same thing. There is ample evidence to support the thesis that Pardew plays long-ball, direct football. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence to the contrary? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... What is proof then? I don't think he's saying it for fun. And you'd have to be blind to suggest Pardew sets out to play anything other than direct football. I think you need more than one video certainly. Who is the bloke in the video? Is he a well-respected journalist or pundit? Does he present his opinion in an objective and balanced way? Does he have an axe to grind with Pardew? I have absolutely no doubt that he is not saying it for fun - but I am not sure that that his analysis right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I really don't think he and Allardyce are that different. I know comparisons with Fat Sam have become the worst thing you can say about a manager but he has been pretty successful with his brand of football and we did have a few decent showings under him - couple of good home wins over Everton and Spurs spring to mind. While I don't think Pardew's as bad - the throw ins, the brute force - they both play direct stuff, both concentrate on stopping the opposition, both obsessed with stats and Prozone. They're not a million miles apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... The fans of all the previous clubs he managed will tell you the same thing. Plenty of our fans will tell you the same thing. There is ample evidence to support the thesis that Pardew plays long-ball, direct football. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence to the contrary? I beg to differ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I really don't think he and Allardyce are that different. http://images.wikia.com/mk/images/b/ba/Brutality.png Ouch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... The fans of all the previous clubs he managed will tell you the same thing. Plenty of our fans will tell you the same thing. There is ample evidence to support the thesis that Pardew plays long-ball, direct football. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence to the contrary? I beg to differ. I should have said a varying but sizeable portion of them. Point still stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Him and Allardyce can argue all they want that their stats and direct style brings success. If we want to progress, that sort of football is never going to take us anywhere. Just look around Europe. Teams that play a passing game and get their closing down right are doing well, not Stoke or any of the likes. How I'd love someone like Brendan Rodgers to manage these players instead. We'd be in for a treat entertainment wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure how much more I can read of people saying we didn't set out to hoof the ball, at what point is the manager accountable for how the team plays? And not just away at Arsenal btw, there's a bigger picture here that some people are completely ignoring. edit - and Obertan's pass to HBA deserves the same amount of praise as him tying his boot laces before the game, it was a ten yard pass on the floot into acres of space, we all could have done it. Whilst I have some sympathy with your point, it is quite easy to reverse your question and ask at what point do the players take responsibility for the football they play and how much control do you honestly think that a manager has over the mind and actions over 11 players? It is a bit of a circular debate - no-one knows what Pardew tells the players to do, but I just find it very hard to believe that Pardew has instructed the players to pump it long for 2 major reasons: 1) It is clearly ineffective and I have not seen any evidence in Pardew's managerial career to date to suggest that he is wedded to the long ball a la Allardyce. 2) We didn't use such a direct style in the first half of the season. Well then you have your eyes closed and hands covering your ears. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6%3Bsport%3D3 12.40 Yep - currently typing with my tongue. Can't see that at the moment as I am at work - is this the fabled video where some bloke with an agenda says that Pardew plays long ball football and isn't very good. Forgive me if I suggest that that probably isn't conclusive proof of anything... The fans of all the previous clubs he managed will tell you the same thing. Plenty of our fans will tell you the same thing. There is ample evidence to support the thesis that Pardew plays long-ball, direct football. Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence to the contrary? This. I had plenty of warnings about Pardew before he came, those warnings coming to fruition now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Then why play like that in the 1st half? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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