Alan Pardew

[Guest ToonZA]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I was too busy fingering lasses on the back field at school. You?

 

Thats not nice   (The comment I mean, not the "fingering" part  )

[Guest Howaythetoon]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

[ElDiablo]

Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. 

 

Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do.

 

Some people think we've been playing some negative shit while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative shit thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are.  Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought.

 

The problem isn't the view that we could play better football, it's the disparity between praise and criticism when a good or bad result occurs, and the overwhelming feeling in this thread that some are watching Pardew's every single move and jumping on every minor thing they don't like.

 

Sometimes you just can't win playing whilst playing great football and have to win ugly, and we have done that when need be. It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for.

[Guest]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

 

But at the moment, we're 6th, top 6...SIXTH!

[Guest BooBoo]

6ixth.

[Cajun]

Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. 

 

Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do.

 

Some people think we've been playing some negative shit while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative shit thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are.  Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought.

 

The problem isn't the view that we could play better football, it's the disparity between praise and criticism when a good or bad result occurs, and the overwhelming feeling in this thread that some are watching Pardew's every single move and jumping on every minor thing they don't like.

 

Sometimes you just can't win playing whilst playing great football and have to win ugly, and we have done that when need be. It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for.

 

[James]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

 

But at the moment, we're 6th, top 6...SIXTH!

 

Closer to 4th than we are to 7th, with a team picked up in much worse a state.

[pi_D]

Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. 

 

Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do.

 

Some people think we've been playing some negative s*** while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative s*** thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are.  Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought.

 

The problem isn't the view that we could play better football, it's the disparity between praise and criticism when a good or bad result occurs, and the overwhelming feeling in this thread that some are watching Pardew's every single move and jumping on every minor thing they don't like.

 

[Tooj]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

 

But at the moment, we're 6th, top 6...SIXTH!

 

Closer to 4th than we are to 7th, with a team picked up in much worse a state.

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

[pi_D]

Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. 

 

Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do.

 

Some people think we've been playing some negative s*** while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative s*** thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are.  Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought.

 

It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for.

 

 

A holistic approach...something we have needed for years....

[Mick]

 

 

The problem isn't the view that we could play better football, it's the disparity between praise and criticism when a good or bad result occurs, and the overwhelming feeling in this thread that some are watching Pardew's every single move and jumping on every minor thing they don't like.

 

Sometimes you just can't win playing whilst playing great football and have to win ugly, and we have done that when need be. It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for.

 

He gets praise when things he does work, he's getting praise today but some are trying to find an argument even when we've played well and won, explain that one. 

[Mick]

 

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

We'd also finished 13th twice in the league and looked in danger of going down.

[James]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

 

But at the moment, we're 6th, top 6...SIXTH!

 

Closer to 4th than we are to 7th, with a team picked up in much worse a state.

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

Gullit was to blame for morale, we'd gone something like 5 games and at the bottom with star players left out due to a manager vendetta. Robson fixed that within 3 games. Whereas the team Pardew had inherited had just got out of the Championship.

 

I'm not saying Pardew is better than Sir Bobby by the way, but I am saying that people are more willing to stick the knife in despite obvious signs of progress.

 

Funny thing is too that it seems to be the same posters who are always stubborn about everything.

[Tooj]

 

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

We'd also finished 13th twice in the league and looked in danger of going down.

 

Yup. There was real concern under Dalglish that we could have went down.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Anyway, Sir Bobby was a Geordie and Pardew's a cockney cunt innit.

[Dave]

What were the Pardew haters saying about Sir Bobby during his first full season where a team with Solano, Shearer, Lee, Speed, Given were coasting along to 11th in the league?

 

I'll bite...

 

He was a world-class manager and even though we only finished mid-table, we played some good stuff and there were signs things would improve massively.

 

But at the moment, we're 6th, top 6...SIXTH!

 

Closer to 4th than we are to 7th, with a team picked up in much worse a state.

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

Gullit was to blame for morale, we'd gone something like 5 games and at the bottom with star players left out due to a manager vendetta. Robson fixed that within 3 games. Whereas the team Pardew had inherited had just got out of the Championship.

 

I'm not saying Pardew is better than Sir Bobby by the way, but I am saying that people are more willing to stick the knife in despite obvious signs of progress.

 

Funny thing is too that it seems to be the same posters who are always stubborn about everything.

 

What's funny is that this forum didn't even exist then so fuck knows where you're getting the comparison from.

[Guest]

 

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

We'd also finished 13th twice in the league and looked in danger of going down.

 

Yup. There was real concern under Dalglish that we could have went down.

 

Not sure about that like. We'd just signed the likes of Hamann & Solano, and got a very good draw at Chelsea. Think we'd have just become mid-table also-rans for many years to come though.

[Tooj]

 

 

In a much worse state? Really? We may have had better players, but we were at the bottom end of the table with morale at its lowest.

 

We'd also finished 13th twice in the league and looked in danger of going down.

 

Yup. There was real concern under Dalglish that we could have went down.

 

Not sure about that like. We'd just signed the likes of Hamann & Solano, and got a very good draw at Chelsea. Think we'd have just become mid-table also-rans for many years to come.

 

I was talking about the 97/98 season.

[Dr Venkman]

He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him.

 

Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too.

 

Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind.

 

We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier.

 

I don't understand you in this thread, Jon. Who you annoyed with?  Just call them out because posts like that are getting annoying.

 

I do think Ben Arfa should have had more time on the pitch this season but am glad we're seeing the best of him now.  Goalscoring record's looking very decent as well.  Looks like we need to ensure Ba, Cisse and HBA are on the pitch and furthest forward and not hoof the ball and we'll cause any team problems.  If Pardew understands that then fantastic, today was immensely encouraging and I'd love to see us push on.

 

Cajun is like an annoying little girl "but sir, but sir", honestly man

 

He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him.

 

Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too.

 

Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind.

 

We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier.

 

Dear me.

 

At the end of the day Pardew has been beaten with a stick every single time he hasn't played Ben Arfa/subbed Ben Arfa/ commented on Ben Arfa so I along with some others are not expecting any real credit for how he has treated the lad. I just fully expect comments about how the lad should have been played earlier and how it was obvious (and as simple as) playing him instead of Obertan or Raylor would have better.

 

 

He doesn't deserve any credit for how he's treated him because he treated him badly, fantastic performances in the position Pardew tried to tell us Ben Arfa 'doesn't have the relish for' doesn't change that.

[BottledDog]

Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. 

 

Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do.

 

Some people think we've been playing some negative shit while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative shit thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are.  Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought.

 

Some people were suggesting Pardew is not the kind of manager to play 3 up top away from home, keep the ball on the deck and play attractive football, and would only take us down the road of defensive 'hoofball', despite never suggesting the merits of it, and his often passionate admiration of teams that play good football.

 

Is that not fair to say?

 

Let's hope that this game eases their concerns a little.

[James]

He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him.

 

Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too.

 

Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind.

 

We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier.

 

I don't understand you in this thread, Jon. Who you annoyed with?  Just call them out because posts like that are getting annoying.

 

I do think Ben Arfa should have had more time on the pitch this season but am glad we're seeing the best of him now.  Goalscoring record's looking very decent as well.  Looks like we need to ensure Ba, Cisse and HBA are on the pitch and furthest forward and not hoof the ball and we'll cause any team problems.  If Pardew understands that then fantastic, today was immensely encouraging and I'd love to see us push on.

 

Cajun is like an annoying little girl "but sir, but sir", honestly man

 

He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him.

 

Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too.

 

Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind.

 

We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier.

 

Dear me.

 

At the end of the day Pardew has been beaten with a stick every single time he hasn't played Ben Arfa/subbed Ben Arfa/ commented on Ben Arfa so I along with some others are not expecting any real credit for how he has treated the lad. I just fully expect comments about how the lad should have been played earlier and how it was obvious (and as simple as) playing him instead of Obertan or Raylor would have better.

 

 

He doesn't deserve any credit for how he's treated him because he treated him badly, fantastic performances in the position Pardew tried to tell us Ben Arfa 'doesn't have the relish for' doesn't change that.

 

I think today showed it was right to say Ben Arfa hadn't been at his best and it had been right for people to be saying he could be playing better.

 

Whether this is the start of Ben Arfa's turnaround is too early to say, it is only one game and a lovely sunny afternoon.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Only small gripe is Pardew stating Colo's out for 2 or three games. Should have kept it under his hat. LFC will be working all week on destroying Willo and Perch.

The folly of not even getting someone in on loan in January is about to bite us squarely on the arse.

[pi_D]

 

Whether this is the start of Ben Arfa's turnaround is too early to say, it is only one game and a lovely sunny afternoon.

 

His turnaround was 2nd half in the derby imo, looked like the HBA before the leg break

[Keefaz]

Only small gripe is Pardew stating Colo's out for 2 or three games. Should have kept it under his hat. LFC will be working all week on destroying Willo and Perch.

The folly of not even getting someone in on loan in January is about to bite us squarely on the arse.

 

Maybe he's lying.

[Mick]

 

 

Some people were suggesting Pardew is not the kind of manager to play 3 up top away from home, keep the ball on the deck and play attractive football, and would only take us down the road of defensive 'hoofball', despite never suggesting the merits of it, and his often passionate admiration of teams that play good football.

 

Is that not fair to say?

 

Let's hope that this game eases their concerns a little.

 

 

 

He's gone all out for the result today, like he said he would.  I hope that's the way we play from now on and I'll give him massive credit if he does use that as a benchmark.

 

What you've said is fairly accurate, it also reflects the way that we've been playing.