Johny1982 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Ben arfa has played nowhere near the standard he was today, bar a excellent performance V everton pre injury! I have wanted Ben arfa to play all season but this for ages But I dnt believe he wudv been near this standard earlier in the season and this is what we need goin forward not some show pony who scored a wonder goal 2/3 times a season! This is a player who if keeps working hard could have a huge influence for us over next few years and drive us on Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling c*** Pardew played him earlier. I don't understand you in this thread, Jon. Who you annoyed with? Just call them out because posts like that are getting annoying. I do think Ben Arfa should have had more time on the pitch this season but am glad we're seeing the best of him now. Goalscoring record's looking very decent as well. Looks like we need to ensure Ba, Cisse and HBA are on the pitch and furthest forward and not hoof the ball and we'll cause any team problems. If Pardew understands that then fantastic, today was immensely encouraging and I'd love to see us push on. Cajun is like an annoying little girl "but sir, but sir", honestly man He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling c*** Pardew played him earlier. Dear me. At the end of the day Pardew has been beaten with a stick every single time he hasn't played Ben Arfa/subbed Ben Arfa/ commented on Ben Arfa so I along with some others are not expecting any real credit for how he has treated the lad. I just fully expect comments about how the lad should have been played earlier and how it was obvious (and as simple as) playing him instead of Obertan or Raylor would have better. He doesn't deserve any credit for how he's treated him because he treated him badly, fantastic performances in the position Pardew tried to tell us Ben Arfa 'doesn't have the relish for' doesn't change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Not a peep from HBA about this supposed bad treatment by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier. I don't understand you in this thread, Jon. Who you annoyed with? Just call them out because posts like that are getting annoying. I do think Ben Arfa should have had more time on the pitch this season but am glad we're seeing the best of him now. Goalscoring record's looking very decent as well. Looks like we need to ensure Ba, Cisse and HBA are on the pitch and furthest forward and not hoof the ball and we'll cause any team problems. If Pardew understands that then fantastic, today was immensely encouraging and I'd love to see us push on. Cajun is like an annoying little girl "but sir, but sir", honestly man He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier. Dear me. At the end of the day Pardew has been beaten with a stick every single time he hasn't played Ben Arfa/subbed Ben Arfa/ commented on Ben Arfa so I along with some others are not expecting any real credit for how he has treated the lad. I just fully expect comments about how the lad should have been played earlier and how it was obvious (and as simple as) playing him instead of Obertan or Raylor would have better. He doesn't deserve any credit for how he's treated him because he treated him badly, fantastic performances in the position Pardew tried to tell us Ben Arfa 'doesn't have the relish for' doesn't change that. Sorry but I disagree and the notoriously difficult Hatem Ben Arfa doesn't seem adverse to Pardew's treatment of him either. The only aggrieved party seems to be the fans that know better than the player and coaching/management. We'll have to agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Not a peep from HBA about this supposed bad treatment by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do. Some people think we've been playing some negative s*** while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative s*** thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are. Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought. It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for. A holistic approach...something we have needed for years.... I'd wager the majority of us want it, but it doesn't stop this bizarre need for absolute perfection all of the time that some seem to expect, or stop them from spitting the dummy when it doesn't happen. Think the holistic approach left football for good when the big money came in, fans want success now and aren't prepared to wait. Completely agree, and again in regards to the introduction of 'big money' to the English game. Surprisingly it would appear that MA's approach is, in fact, a holistic one But shhhh...don't tell the other clubs Also the absolute perfection bit....it's just football I guess...frustrating as hell though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier. I don't understand you in this thread, Jon. Who you annoyed with? Just call them out because posts like that are getting annoying. I do think Ben Arfa should have had more time on the pitch this season but am glad we're seeing the best of him now. Goalscoring record's looking very decent as well. Looks like we need to ensure Ba, Cisse and HBA are on the pitch and furthest forward and not hoof the ball and we'll cause any team problems. If Pardew understands that then fantastic, today was immensely encouraging and I'd love to see us push on. Cajun is like an annoying little girl "but sir, but sir", honestly man He's got a good knack of getting the best out of pretty average players. Raylor, Guthrie and Perch have all improved under him. Not just average players, Ben Arfa is a far more effective player too. Not that Pardew will be given any credit mind. We would be winning the league by now if that bottling cunt Pardew played him earlier. Dear me. At the end of the day Pardew has been beaten with a stick every single time he hasn't played Ben Arfa/subbed Ben Arfa/ commented on Ben Arfa so I along with some others are not expecting any real credit for how he has treated the lad. I just fully expect comments about how the lad should have been played earlier and how it was obvious (and as simple as) playing him instead of Obertan or Raylor would have better. He doesn't deserve any credit for how he's treated him because he treated him badly, fantastic performances in the position Pardew tried to tell us Ben Arfa 'doesn't have the relish for' doesn't change that. Sorry but I disagree and the notoriously difficult Hatem Ben Arfa doesn't seem adverse to Pardew's treatment of him either. The only aggrieved party seems to be the fans that know better than the player and coaching/management. We'll have to agree to disagree. Find me something from Ben Arfa to show he is unhappy with his treatment, let's be honest he isn't backwards in coming forwards, his whole signing for us was from a very public falling falling out with his club, the same thing that happened when he signed for Marseille from Lyon, then I will be very happy to say I am completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Not a peep from HBA about this supposed bad treatment by the way. Which counts for nothing, he should've played more, how anyone can argue otherwise considering the alternatives is quite staggering. You do remember the many many weeks when Pardew flat out refused to play him on the wing don't you? Do you remember Gabriel Obertan? Pardew's done a good job but he got this particular decision wrong for months imo, he deserves no credit at all for keeping Ben Arfa out of the team for so long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Not a peep from HBA about this supposed bad treatment by the way. Which counts for nothing, he should've played more, how anyone can argue otherwise considering the alternatives is quite staggering. You do remember the many many weeks when Pardew flat out refused to play him on the wing don't you? Do you remember Gabriel Obertan? Pardew's done a good job but he got this particular decision wrong for months imo, he deserves no credit at all for keeping Ben Arfa out of the team for so long. How about Ben Arfa wasn't ready mentally. As you well know he recently admitted that he has only just returned to enjoying football...or something to that extent. That's a damn viable alternative tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Can't fault him today. Perfect starting XI. Pards is fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Can't fault him today. Perfect starting XI. Pards is fit. Stupidly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Great result for us, glad to see pards getting some credit on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. I for one raised my concerns about the "style of football". Yes, it was not pleasing on the eye; but always more importantly - and what people seem to forget when reffering to "style of football" or "good football" - we were not utilising our playing resources effectively and efficiently. This is/was the crux of my issue with Pardew. It was no use having players with specific strengths on your books (and the intention of recruiting similar types in future), yet implement a style that does not play to their strengths. Today we saw what can be acheived by developing and executing a game plan based on the strengths of our team. So I will give Pardew credit for that and hope that it continues. But really let us all enjoy the victory. As unexpected as it seemed, we won and did so with some style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. I for one raised my concerns about the "style of football". Yes, it was not pleasing on the eye; but always more importantly - and what people seem to forget when reffering to "style of football" or "good football" - we were not utilising our playing resources effectively and efficiently. This is/was the crux of my issue with Pardew. It was no use having players with specific strengths on your books (and the intention of recruiting similar types in future), yet implement a style that does not play to their strengths. Today we saw what can be acheived by developing and executing a game plan based on the strengths of our team. So I will give Pardew credit for that and hope that it continues. But really let us all enjoy the victory. As unexpected as it seemed, we won and did so with some style. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. I for one raised my concerns about the "style of football". Yes, it was not pleasing on the eye; but always more importantly - and what people seem to forget when reffering to "style of football" or "good football" - we were not utilising our playing resources effectively and efficiently. This is/was the crux of my issue with Pardew. It was no use having players with specific strengths on your books (and the intention of recruiting similar types in future), yet implement a style that does not play to their strengths. Today we saw what can be acheived by developing and executing a game plan based on the strengths of our team. So I will give Pardew credit for that and hope that it continues. But really let us all enjoy the victory. As unexpected as it seemed, we won and did so with some style. But we seem to have been playing shit football for the majority of the season despite being better than 14 other clubs in the league. I was very happy with today and admit have been concered with the way we have played recently. I just think there is are some very OTT comments at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. I for one raised my concerns about the "style of football". Yes, it was not pleasing on the eye; but always more importantly - and what people seem to forget when reffering to "style of football" or "good football" - we were not utilising our playing resources effectively and efficiently. This is/was the crux of my issue with Pardew. It was no use having players with specific strengths on your books (and the intention of recruiting similar types in future), yet implement a style that does not play to their strengths. Today we saw what can be acheived by developing and executing a game plan based on the strengths of our team. So I will give Pardew credit for that and hope that it continues. But really let us all enjoy the victory. As unexpected as it seemed, we won and did so with some style. That's true, summed up well, but the manifestation of some people's "concerns" in here have been ridiculous, and that's the issue some of us have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Some of the gloating in here is pathetic. Nobody wants us to play poor football, nobody wants Pardew to fail because if he does, we all do. Some people think we've been playing some negative shit while getting results and I think most who do think we've played some negative shit thought that the current players were capable of better, today we've shown that they are. Maybe the wrong people are the ones who are actually gloating, just a thought. The problem isn't the view that we could play better football, it's the disparity between praise and criticism when a good or bad result occurs, and the overwhelming feeling in this thread that some are watching Pardew's every single move and jumping on every minor thing they don't like. Sometimes you just can't win playing whilst playing great football and have to win ugly, and we have done that when need be. It's all about the bigger picture and getting bogged down in semantics and throwing dirt at the manager because of a few poor performances is really annoying and childish and something which we criticise others for. Actually I've not been happy even with a lot of games we've won because the football has been harum scarum rubbish. What pleased me most today was that we looked to keep possession and didn't get pressured into booting it long. Contrary to what many think I don't think all of us demand attacking football, what we want is to see a team which can control the game and and get the best out of a very talented forward line up. Today we did that perfectly and we really looked like a team that deserves to be 6th on merit. I think this game will do wonders for the rest of the season because now the players know what we are capable of. Well done to Pardew for getting it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Who are those wanting perfection? I wouldn't say people want perfection but expectations are constantly changing and getting to an unreasonable point. At the start of the season 99% would have cut their balls off to be in this position no matter what, now we are in this position quite a few aren't happy with the style of football. Seen quite a few comments about getting a replacement in, even a manager who was behind us when he was sacked despite having a multi million (well into the hundreds of millions) pound squad and spending £60m in the summer. I for one raised my concerns about the "style of football". Yes, it was not pleasing on the eye; but always more importantly - and what people seem to forget when reffering to "style of football" or "good football" - we were not utilising our playing resources effectively and efficiently. This is/was the crux of my issue with Pardew. It was no use having players with specific strengths on your books (and the intention of recruiting similar types in future), yet implement a style that does not play to their strengths. Today we saw what can be acheived by developing and executing a game plan based on the strengths of our team. So I will give Pardew credit for that and hope that it continues. But really let us all enjoy the victory. As unexpected as it seemed, we won and did so with some style. But we seem to have been playing s*** football for the majority of the season despite being better than 14 other clubs in the league. I was very happy with today and admit have been concered with the way we have played recently. I just think there is are some very OTT comments at times. Agreed, there are some OTT comments (by both sides tbf) and I hope they stem from being passionate about the club and it's future and not anything else. As for whether we playing shit football for the majority of the season..well here is my take. I cannot say we have been convincing in many of our games this season and in the main, i was mostly left feeling that the result could go either way. Thankfully, the results mostly went our way. We can say it's down to individual brilliance (Ba, Krul, Colo, etc) or just plain luck. I don't know, except to say that those players are on our books so we have the right to benefit from their brilliance. We also have the responsibility to utilise them to the best of ability. Much the same as any good business will utilise their assets in the best manner. At least we shared concerns about the way we were playing and hopefully today was the first step towards addressing those concerns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Personally I have no problem with constructive criticism, but the abuse is just pathetic. Very prominent members of this forum have said some disgraceful things about him recently. Hopefully it stops here, but it won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 carpet football at times today, three great goals. Losing Coloccini couldn't be helped today & that left us shakey, if He hadn't of got injured we would have been looking at 5 or 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Got it spot on today. We looked lethal in the first half and scored 3 really good goals. Well-worked goals that involved getting players passing and moving without humping it. Was a joy to watch. Second half started poorly but I was impressed at how we kept hold of the ball for long periods of the second half and still created enough chances to have ended up with about 7, had they all been taken. Credit where it's due, got it spot on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 That's more like it, Alan! Pardew set us up in the right way today. His instructions and his team selection were pretty much bang on. Today was definitely the best we played in a while, we played some wonderful stuff in the first half - everything just clicked. The midfield linked up well with the forwards and vice-versa. Thought we were very disciplined in the second half as well (even though West Brom had a few good chances to get back into the game). All in all, the defending was decent enough and the attacking was absolutely top class. Positive and encouraging stuff. 50 points from 30 games (and level with Chelsea). Well done Pards, more of the same next week please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Personally I have no problem with constructive criticism, but the abuse is just pathetic. Very prominent members of this forum have said some disgraceful things about him recently. Hopefully it stops here, but it won't. Been reading this forum more than posting over the last few years. I'd just about agree with this, although I'd go further and say that while there has been a swell of genuine constructive criticism recently, there is a small minority who have been itching to leap on the manager's back for the entire season. Heres one of them: The QPR performance was as poor as anything Allardyce, Souness or Roeder through up. Our football under Pardew has, in the main, been turgid s***. We are relying on hard work, team spirit and a reasonably settled and solid defence. We need far more to advance. Pardew may know what he needs to do but I'm not too sure he has the ability to put together such a side much less get it playing well. His substitutions and decisions from the dugout suggest that and worry me a lot. And we need some clarity, why is he a c***? He's a proven liar, dishonest and someone I'd class as a snide. He's a bull shiter in short and a bit of a c*** as a result. Just my opinion of course but hey that's how I see him, as a bit of a c***. He's f***ing useless. s*** lineup, s*** tactics, s*** subs, s*** management. Vukic for f*** sake. Its as if all the things the Hammers fan client of ours said about him is becoming true. I spat my drink out when I saw that Vukic was starting. That to me shows the man has no clear idea what team to go with and at this stage of the season, given how long he has worked with these players, that is f***ing scary. I'll hang my head on the line here and now and say we will not finish in the top 10 this season because of this clown. I hope he's replaced in jan with someone who has a clue because we have a decent core here, a core that needs direction not f***ing tinkered with and f***ed about with anal tactics. Ba is not a target man but he deployed him as one and threw the ball long time and time again. I'm not an expert but that tactic and use of Ba borders on f***ing retartded. (beat Man United 3-0 a few days after this post) Disgraceful attitude towards a manager doing a fantastic job. Can only guess what the motivation is, but I can't see what keeping up a constant stream of vitriolic hatred towards Pardew is supposed to achieve. I do remember that at the start of the season the above viewpoints weren't the isolated voices they are now. People didn't like Pardew for their own reasons, not all of them to do with results. They wrote about it on forums and in fanzines, the media picked up on it, and we were left with the ridiculous situation where the Journal and other newspapers were calling the 2nd game of the season a "must win" game for Pardew, piling the pressure on a manager who was unbeaten in 4 or 5 and just one game into a new season. I really thought that all that would have been left behind by the unbeaten run he went on after that. But theres an extremely vocal, very small minority on here who it seems will always have it in for him. I'm not sure how they think this will help, but whenever we next have a blip they'll all be out in force regardless of the circumstances, making us all look like pricks. Good to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Tip of the iceberg, sadly. Cunt, wanker, idiot and moron spring to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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