Alan Pardew

[Colocho]

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I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

[BottledDog]

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I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

 

I gather from that, you disagree?

 

Take it up with Redknapp:

“we missed out by minutes... ...the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."

 

[Ronaldo]

The Ibrahimovic comparison's a bit daft tbh.  Yeah, he's achieved a hell of a lot more than Carroll but he's 29.  Unfortunately it's this 'resale value' issue again.

 

If Milan try to sell Ibra in 3 years they'll get coppers for him, whereas if Liverpool flog Carroll after 3 years they could quite easily make their money back if all goes well.  Of course it's a risk (mainly because of Carroll being a knacker) but they've bought someone who could lead their line for 10 years or that they could make good money back on if they ever decide to sell.

 

No it's not. Ibrahimovic has done all of that and is still only considered a 24m pound player, even at his height when he left Inter he cost £40m. Do you honestly think Carroll will achieve half of what he has? I bet he'll have less league winners medals than Alan Shearer.

 

Would you actually put money on that, or are you just trying to add a little emphasis?

 

Barring career-ending injuries, Carroll will dwarf what Shearer achieved, whether we like it or not.

 

Can you quantify what you mean? By Shearer's achievements do you refer to his trophy with Blackburn or do we include the number of goals he scored overall, including golden boot awards, his goals for Egland and being top scorer in a major tournament (Euro 96)?

 

That post would go lovely on his Wikipedia page, wouldn't it?

 

He'll achiveve more than Shearer, as I said. He'll win more trophies and probably score more goals at international level.

[Ronaldo]

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

No chance. It was effective, but we were rarely entertaining in The Championship and less so this season.

[Foluwashola]

The Ibrahimovic comparison's a bit daft tbh.  Yeah, he's achieved a hell of a lot more than Carroll but he's 29.  Unfortunately it's this 'resale value' issue again.

 

If Milan try to sell Ibra in 3 years they'll get coppers for him, whereas if Liverpool flog Carroll after 3 years they could quite easily make their money back if all goes well.  Of course it's a risk (mainly because of Carroll being a knacker) but they've bought someone who could lead their line for 10 years or that they could make good money back on if they ever decide to sell.

 

No it's not. Ibrahimovic has done all of that and is still only considered a 24m pound player, even at his height when he left Inter he cost £40m. Do you honestly think Carroll will achieve half of what he has? I bet he'll have less league winners medals than Alan Shearer.

 

Would you actually put money on that, or are you just trying to add a little emphasis?

 

Barring career-ending injuries, Carroll will dwarf what Shearer achieved, whether we like it or not.

 

Can you quantify what you mean? By Shearer's achievements do you refer to his trophy with Blackburn or do we include the number of goals he scored overall, including golden boot awards, his goals for Egland and being top scorer in a major tournament (Euro 96)?

 

That post would go lovely on his Wikipedia page, wouldn't it?

 

He'll achiveve more than Shearer, as I said. He'll win more trophies and probably score more goals at international level.

 

I'm willing to wager my prostate gland on him failing to do this.

 

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

No chance. It was effective, but we were rarely entertaining in The Championship and less so this season.

 

Agree.

[Colocho]

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I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

 

I gather from that, you disagree?

 

Take it up with Redknapp:

“we missed out by minutes... ...the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."

 

 

I think it's naive to suggest that Blackpool didn't put up a fight to keep him.

 

Holloway, Jan 20th:

 

"Charlie has signed a contract and someone can come in all they like, but it's not his choice and it's not their choice. He belongs to us and he is contracted for 18 months.

 

"You have to behave with respect and not all players do that sometimes, but that is the way the game is.

 

"I think he is still improving, I think he belongs to us and if someone wants to offer money, I think they are wasting their time because we don't need to sell him at the moment."

[Guest BooBoo]

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

No chance. It was effective, but we were rarely entertaining in The Championship and less so this season.

 

Second half of the season was decent but pre Christmas last year we were quite a prosaic side, albeit one that was successful in grinding out results.

[Wullie]

From January onwards we were superb in the championship! When was better stuff? Souness? Roeder? Allardyce? Ten games under KK I'll give you.

[BottledDog]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2275463,00.html

 

I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

 

I gather from that, you disagree?

 

Take it up with Redknapp:

“we missed out by minutes... ...the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."

 

 

I think it's naive to suggest that Blackpool didn't put up a fight to keep him.

 

Holloway, Jan 20th:

 

"Charlie has signed a contract and someone can come in all they like, but it's not his choice and it's not their choice. He belongs to us and he is contracted for 18 months.

 

"You have to behave with respect and not all players do that sometimes, but that is the way the game is.

 

"I think he is still improving, I think he belongs to us and if someone wants to offer money, I think they are wasting their time because we don't need to sell him at the moment."

 

A nice facepalm and now nieve? Cheers, but unsurprisingly I disagree with you again.

 

Using Blackpool as an example of showing ambition as opposed to us over Carroll is a little hard to stomach, and that is why I picked up on it.

The quote you picked is one of his milder ones. Holloway was mouthing off left right and centre giving both barrels to Adam's agent on more than one occasion and to Adam himself. But so what? It wasn't his decision in the end.

There was really very little difference between Holloway and Pardew in that respect, or Blackpool and Newcastle. We equally dug in our heals in until a ridiculous offer came in; Blackpool simply got one too late in the day and were just not able to get their act together to finish off the paper work.

 

[oldtype]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

[oldtype]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

 

True, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said

[Yorkie]

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

No chance. It was effective, but we were rarely entertaining in The Championship and less so this season.

 

Mental. 35 goals, just at home, in the second half of last season. More than three a game.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

 

True, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said

 

Well yeah but its another part of why we sold and Blackpool were trying to hold out

[Greg]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2275463,00.html

 

I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

 

I gather from that, you disagree?

 

Take it up with Redknapp:

“we missed out by minutes... ...the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."

 

 

I think it's naive to suggest that Blackpool didn't put up a fight to keep him.

 

Holloway, Jan 20th:

 

"Charlie has signed a contract and someone can come in all they like, but it's not his choice and it's not their choice. He belongs to us and he is contracted for 18 months.

 

"You have to behave with respect and not all players do that sometimes, but that is the way the game is.

 

"I think he is still improving, I think he belongs to us and if someone wants to offer money, I think they are wasting their time because we don't need to sell him at the moment."

 

Pardew, Jan 17th.

 

“They can put together whatever they like. He is not for sale. I am going to say it for one last time, he is not for sale,”

[Colocho]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2275463,00.html

 

I look forward to the day we have as much ambition as Blackpool.

 

Give over, the only reason Adam is still at the club is because of a fuckup getting the paperwork signed.

There was no valiant fight to reject Tottenhams offer.

 

 

I gather from that, you disagree?

 

Take it up with Redknapp:

“we missed out by minutes... ...the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."

 

 

I think it's naive to suggest that Blackpool didn't put up a fight to keep him.

 

Holloway, Jan 20th:

 

"Charlie has signed a contract and someone can come in all they like, but it's not his choice and it's not their choice. He belongs to us and he is contracted for 18 months.

 

"You have to behave with respect and not all players do that sometimes, but that is the way the game is.

 

"I think he is still improving, I think he belongs to us and if someone wants to offer money, I think they are wasting their time because we don't need to sell him at the moment."

 

Pardew, Jan 17th.

 

“They can put together whatever they like. He is not for sale. I am going to say it for one last time, he is not for sale,”

 

Holloway stuck to his word.

 

Pardew did not.

[oldtype]

There's really nothing comparable about the two transfers. Vastly different circumstances and we're not even sure if Adam not moving was Blackpool turning down the offer or some paperwork falling through.

 

Not that this is going to stop anyone from interpreting it to suit their needs, of course.

[Baggio]

How I see it is everybody seems to accept that we wasn't in a position to start splashing around large sums of money on players any time soon, we need extra squad depth as well as making improvements in certain areas of the first team.

 

We then get presented with the amazing offer for a player who most wouldn't have thought was worth that much beforehand.

 

Now for me the options were this...

 

*We can keep Carroll, give him a pay rise, hope his form is permanent and hopefully carry the team for large parts and hope he can help cover where we're lacking in other areas of the team where we don't have massive amounts of money to fill those positions with better players.

 

*Sell him and take the risk of investing that cash in 4 or 5 players that will give us more depth as well as making 3 or 4 improvements to starting first team positions.

 

 

Now I liked Andy Carroll when he was here even if the football we played with him was awful to watch for the most part, however the chance to improve our squad and first team with potentially 4 or 5 bodies was a risk worth taking IMO, as I see it as just as much of a risk that Carroll could keep his consistency in front of goal in the first half of the season up.

 

How much improvement do people think we could have made with little money but keeping Carroll?

 

Now how much improvement do people think we could make with a potential pot of £35 million to play with?

 

Like I said it's a risk and Pardew could waste the lot however I see it as a risk worth taking rather.

 

 

Played some decent stuff all through 2010 imo.  Not every game like, and of course we mixed it up at times, but it's a myth that all we did was hoof it with Carroll in the side.

 

My views are based more around the Premiership season and not battering turds in the Championship.

 

The only games under Hughton I could say we played good stuff were Sunderland, Villa and Everton.

[Baggio]

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

The spell under Keegan was the best i've seen us play live. But other than that, you're right.

 

When was this? When we won 4 games out of 17 during 07/08?

[madras]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

do you think had spurs offered 12mill instead of 8mill adam would still be at blackpool ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

do you think had spurs offered 12mill instead of 8mill adam would still be at blackpool ?

 

Didn't they almost sell him for £10m in the end?

[Yorkie]

Best football we've seen since Robson tbh, not that there's much competition.

 

The spell under Keegan was the best i've seen us play live. But other than that, you're right.

 

When was this? When we won 4 games out of 17 during 07/08?

 

Yeah.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

do you think had spurs offered 12mill instead of 8mill adam would still be at blackpool ?

 

Probably not, that extra £4m in exchange for almost certain relegation would have been daft though. It was an easier decision for our mob to take big money at a supposed smaller risk. Blackpool put up more of a fight as opposed to a harder bargain.

[madras]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

do you think had spurs offered 12mill instead of 8mill adam would still be at blackpool ?

 

Probably not, that extra £4m in exchange for almost certain relegation would have been daft though. It was an easier decision for our mob to take big money at a supposed smaller risk. Blackpool put up more of a fight as opposed to a harder bargain.

have to say mind, spurs were quite adamant that the deal didn't go through due to time constraints as opposed to blackpool saying "no".

[Guest Roger Kint]

Blackpool also weren't offered 35 million for Adam.

 

And didnt think they were safe enough to get by without him this season.

do you think had spurs offered 12mill instead of 8mill adam would still be at blackpool ?

 

Probably not, that extra £4m in exchange for almost certain relegation would have been daft though. It was an easier decision for our mob to take big money at a supposed smaller risk. Blackpool put up more of a fight as opposed to a harder bargain.

have to say mind, spurs were quite adamant that the deal didn't go through due to time constraints as opposed to blackpool saying "no".

 

Quite possible yes not that i would accept arry's word for anything, but they did seem to be more determined than us. Didnt Adam publically say he wanted out and handed a transfer request the previous week?