mrmojorisin75 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 It doesn't matter what our original target was for the season, I think they will see where we have been and could possibly see a position below where we are now as being failure. what on earth leads you to this conclusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 what on earth leads you to this conclusion? They have eyes and see what we see. I don't think for one minute that they shelled out up to £10 million in the last transfer window to drop down the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 what on earth leads you to this conclusion? They have eyes and see what we see. I don't think for one minute that they shelled out up to £10 million in the last transfer window to drop down the league. Quite surprised with the Cisse Buy as well really, before that i really had it down in my books that they were going to milk us all the way till we are high and dry, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 what on earth leads you to this conclusion? They have eyes and see what we see. I don't think for one minute that they shelled out up to £10 million in the last transfer window to drop down the league. well, the only chance of that happening is that they're clearly not "football people", "football people" would stick with pardew until it all went wrong (and i think it will eventually go wrong with him) but MA & DL are not entrenched in that whole thing however, i do think that they've got a manager doing whatever they want and mouthpiecing their decisions, unless they've suddenly decided their end game is now to make us a successful football team i see no way they'll ship pards unless he really screws the pooch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Thing is with Krul when we have such poor options on the wings then the only main option is to hoof it unless Colo or Williamson are free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfmag Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Thing is with Krul when we have such poor options on the wings then the only main option is to hoof it unless Colo or Williamson are free. The thing is, going back to previous posts, is that it is simply factually incorrect to say that Krul did not pass the ball to fullbacks or wingers or central defenders ONCE during the entire game. I think that we didnt win yesterday because we were far too bloody deep and defensive during the first twenty minutes of the second half (funny, just as Spurs have been once they went two up. Maybe Arry should be sacked), for which Pardew has to bear some responsibility and because Wolves had an extra man in midlfield. But when we had the ball, I saw a team trying to play football along the floor, just not successfully enough. And whilst I'm on this soapbox - just trying to bring some balance to the debate rather than be an apologist for Pardew - to say above that Pardew does not have a Plan B is patently untrue as well. His plan B was there for all to see when Wolves scored their second (not that we should have been forced into that in the first place) and for the last twenty minutes, we looked transformed. Again, plame Pardew for his Plan A or his Plan B but not for not having one. Right, I need to get back to the world of golf! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Thing is with Krul when we have such poor options on the wings then the only main option is to hoof it unless Colo or Williamson are free. The thing is, going back to previous posts, is that it is simply factually incorrect to say that Krul did not pass the ball to fullbacks or wingers or central defenders ONCE during the entire game. I think that we didnt win yesterday because we were far too bloody deep and defensive during the first twenty minutes of the second half (funny, just as Spurs have been once they went two up. Maybe Arry should be sacked), for which Pardew has to bear some responsibility and because Wolves had an extra man in midlfield. But when we had the ball, I saw a team trying to play football along the floor, just not successfully enough. And whilst I'm on this soapbox - just trying to bring some balance to the debate rather than be an apologist for Pardew - to say above that Pardew does not have a Plan B is patently untrue as well. His plan B was there for all to see when Wolves scored their second (not that we should have been forced into that in the first place) and for the last twenty minutes, we looked transformed. Again, plame Pardew for his Plan A or his Plan B but not for not having one. Right, I need to get back to the world of golf! Sorry, that Plan B was just the team waking up after the equalizer, also Wolves sat back more after the goal which helped us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfmag Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. That will be the Wolves that are unbeaten in five away games, including at Spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. That will be the Wolves that are unbeaten in five away games, including at Spurs? Give over man, they're not a good team and we had no reason to sit back and play frightened like we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. That will be the Wolves that are unbeaten in five away games, including at Spurs? Give over man, they're not a good team and we had no reason to sit back and play frightened like we did. That's just making excuses up for what was a shocking performance. If we were 2-0 up against city and drew 2-2 I'd be disappointed, to do it against a team in the relegation zone is inexcusable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 That will be the Wolves that are unbeaten in five away games, including at Spurs? That's the Wolves, the one that was 18th before kick off, the one that has averaged less than a point a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 We would have taken a draw away to Wolves earlier in the season and oviously we expected a win yesterday. It all balances out really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 The only reason they're even in with a chance of staying up is Steven Fletcher and he wasn't even playing. There's no excuses can be made for it, it was an embarrassing result, a shameful performance and one that's not without precedent - remember West Brom last game of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Danny Simpson inspired that comeback too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Danny Simpson inspired that comeback too. Shame he doesn't inspire confidence into anything for his team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfmag Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. That will be the Wolves that are unbeaten in five away games, including at Spurs? Give over man, they're not a good team and we had no reason to sit back and play frightened like we did. I agree completely, I'm just trying to retain a bit of balance here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Shocking tactics from Pardew yesterday. The amount of times the defenders simply passed it back to Krul just for Tim to hoof it forward and hope for the best was very worrying indeed. It meant that Ba wasn't much of an influence upfront (apart from his part in Cissé's goal) and it also meant that Cabaye couldn't really do much either (what with the ball bypassing midfield). We weren't great in the first half mind but I also really thought Wolves were no better so when the second goal went in, I really thought we would go on and win comfortably. However, there was that element of complacency from the players in the second half. It seemed as if they (and probably Pardew) thought the game was won at 2-0 and that all was needed was to see the game out. Well, that didn't happen did it, Alan? Wolves had more urgency about them while we were just simply pissing about, giving the ball away and playing it long. Negative tactics all round, we simply had no answer to Wolves' attacking nor an answer to how we could win the game (a plan B if you will). Tbf though, the way I saw it, think Pardew brought Guthrie and Ben Arfa on and tried switching it to a 4-3-3 so that we could get that third goal but ultimately that plan went out the window when Wolves scored the equaliser. Overall it was a very poor showing and one that left a very bitter taste in my mouth. Having seen Pardew's post-match comments too, got to say things aren't exactly looking too rosy (footballing performance-wise) atm. My view of Pardew's handling of Ben Arfa is slowly changing too, really not sure why Alan's going about it the way he has (I really don't see it as a situation that is comparable to the Tevez/Mascherano situation at West Ham) - it is completely the wrong thing to do imo. If he had started Hatem, it would have been seen as a positive attacking threat - starting Raylor at RM was, in my eyes, a conservative view and one which isn't exactly a positive attacking sign. Having said all that though, I still have faith in Pardew to do the right thing. We are still in a great position in the league and Pardew does indeed deserve credit for that - for the first few months of the season, he got us playing in a way that made us very hard to beat and that in itself is quite an achievement. Unfortunately, ever since the Chelsea game (a game where we did not deserve to lose 3-0), we haven't been performing to the heights that has got us into such a great position in the league (Man U at St. James' aside). This is very worrying but, at the same time, we have been getting the right results as well and football is a results-based game after all. Yes, I understand that with the players we have, we should be performing better but it could (still) be the case that Pardew is "playing it safe". That is, he's sticking to these tactics because the situation in the table (our aim of European football aspirations and all that) is quite precarious. Hopefully though, after seeing yesterday's showing, Pardew will now think twice and actually change some things around instead of sticking to his usual way of doing things on the pitch. Managers get criticised accordingly - if the team does well, Pardew receives praise but if the team does badly, Pardew deserves all the criticism he gets. If we finish in the top 6/7, that is massive progress for us as a club and Pardew will deservedly receive the plaudits for that (considering where we were two or so years ago). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I am not going to argue, I have stated what I think of him plenty of times getting showdown, but I must say it f***ing sucks to be right on this subject since I want the best for the club, but it also shows many on here are blind and know nothing of the sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I am not going to argue, I have stated what I think of him plenty of times getting showdown, but I must say it f***ing sucks to be right on this subject since I want the best for the club, but it also shows many on here are blind and no nothing of the sport. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I am not going to argue, I have stated what I think of him plenty of times getting showdown, but I must say it f***ing sucks to be right on this subject since I want the best for the club, but it also shows many on here are blind and no nothing of the sport. And you wonder why people do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I am not going to argue, I have stated what I think of him plenty of times getting showdown, but I must say it f***ing sucks to be right on this subject since I want the best for the club, but it also shows many on here are blind and no nothing of the sport. And you wonder why people do? Honestly though parky has been getting my sentiments across nice and gently, in a whole new thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I am not going to argue, I have stated what I think of him plenty of times getting showdown, but I must say it f***ing sucks to be right on this subject since I want the best for the club, but it also shows many on here are blind and no nothing of the sport. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Spurs are away at Arsenal, not at home to Wolves. We should have played the way Spurs did last time out against us. Yep. Furthermore, sitting deep and counter-attacking Arsenal has long been seen as a successful tactic against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts