Alan Pardew

[The Prophet]

The lack of having a go at teams must really be effecting some players confidence as they will be wanting to play their own game.

 

When have we not had a go like?

[Mick]

 

 

It contributes. When we try to contain the wingers come deep meaning there's a lack of options out wide.

 

Personally, I think Pardew is too negative, I can't remember having a more negative manager, he's probably on a par with Allardyce in that respect.

[littlelunchbox]

The lack of having a go at teams must really be effecting some players confidence as they will be wanting to play their own game.

 

no, people need to understand  this is the way pardew like us to play cautious and nick a goal or two.  hence -1 goal difference we have.

 

the fact that when your team's manager spends most the week on defence and then let the assistant deal with the attack, tells you what the team is about and its primary objective.

 

im not criticizing just think we should accept thats primary the style we play.  and doesnt mean we cant be successful at it. 

[The Prophet]

 

 

It contributes. When we try to contain the wingers come deep meaning there's a lack of options out wide.

 

Personally, I think Pardew is too negative, I can't remember having a more negative manager, he's probably on a par with Allardyce in that respect.

 

Some of those negative tactics have worked in our favour this season, I agree this whole contain mentality we seem to revert too need ditching in order for us to progress mind.

[Ronaldo]

The lack of having a go at teams must really be effecting some players confidence as they will be wanting to play their own game.

 

no, people need to understand  this is the way pardew like us to play cautious and nick a goal or two.  hence -1 goal difference we have.

 

the fact that when your team's manager spends most the week on defence and then let the assistant deal with the attack, tells you what the team is about and its primary objective.

 

It tells you that Pardew was a somewhat defensive player and has more knowledge to impart to the defensive players at NUFC.

[Mick]

 

 

Some of those negative tactics have worked in our favour this season, I agree this whole contain mentality we seem to revert too need ditching in order for us to progress mind.

 

I know they've worked at times and I'm not going to say we'd be "x" amount of points better off if we tried something different.  I just feel the whole contain has got out of hand and it's harming us now.

[ElDiablo]

The 'negative' thing coincided with S Taylor getting injured. Pre-Chelsea we pressured high up the pitch and looked to play on the front foot, that definitely changed after that and the drubbing at Norwich.

[littlelunchbox]

The lack of having a go at teams must really be effecting some players confidence as they will be wanting to play their own game.

 

no, people need to understand  this is the way pardew like us to play cautious and nick a goal or two.  hence -1 goal difference we have.

 

the fact that when your team's manager spends most the week on defence and then let the assistant deal with the attack, tells you what the team is about and its primary objective.

 

It tells you that Pardew was a somewhat defensive player and has more knowledge to impart to the defensive players at NUFC.

 

yep, hence why santon gets subbed for players like perch and raylor. lol

[Mick]

The 'negative' thing coincided with S Taylor getting injured. Pre-Chelsea we pressured high up the pitch and looked to play on the front foot, that definitely changed after that and the drubbing at Norwich.

 

That's a myth.

[Ikon]

Overall we do play shit like, imo we should be able to play better with the players available!

[The Prophet]

The lack of having a go at teams must really be effecting some players confidence as they will be wanting to play their own game.

 

no, people need to understand  this is the way pardew like us to play cautious and nick a goal or two.  hence -1 goal difference we have.

 

the fact that when your team's manager spends most the week on defence and then let the assistant deal with the attack, tells you what the team is about and its primary objective.

 

It tells you that Pardew was a somewhat defensive player and has more knowledge to impart to the defensive players at NUFC.

 

yep, hence why santon gets subbed for players like perch and raylor. lol

 

Santon has looked a defensive wreck at times this season.

[Jayson]

Our defensive record this season outside of a few games scewing it massively has been class really. Especially considering our defence.

 

If Pards is responsible for that fair play to him, its a clear strength. Perhaps another attacking coach wouldnt go amiss though.

[littlelunchbox]

Our defensive record this season outside of a few games scewing it massively has been class really. Especially considering our defence.

 

If Pards is responsible for that fair play to him, its a clear strength. Perhaps another attacking coach wouldnt go amiss though.

 

-1 in goal difference, what does that tell us?

 

either we're conceding too many goals, 

 

or we're not scoring enough?

 

 

[Jayson]

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times.

Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham)

 

Class record really.

Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

[Sifu]

Poor from Pardew tonight. We were having a legitimate go at Arsenal in the first half so really, if he had used the same tactics that had served us pretty well in the first half then it would have arguably led to us getting a result imo (nicking a win that is).

 

Those second half tactics were completely atrocious and uncalled for. By adopting the long ball tactic, we basically decided to gift Arsenal with a lot of (too much) possession which, of course, led to a barrage of attacks from them. Such tactics also led to the entire midfield not being fully utilised and that was clearly to our detriment - it meant that Ben Arfa and indeed, our midfield became less influential as the minutes went by.

 

To be brutally honest, we didn't deserve to win and that's down to Pardew's negative showing in the second half - it was almost as if our entire plan for the second half was to hold onto a 1-1 draw and not "go for it". So disappointing. Oh and it's also quite worrying that this isn't the first time that the long ball has formed the basis of a gameplan. I'm really hating the sight of Krul hoofing it forward every single time the ball's played back to him - for me, Krul doesn't do that out of choice, it's quite apparent that it's all Pardew's instructions and I've got to say, I'm becoming increasingly worried about Alan's recent over-reliance on the long ball.

 

Pass and play, Alan, pass and play! We've seen that he is willing to adopt some form of carpet football so the fact that he's not using it often enough is so frustrating. Losing Steven Taylor has really been a massive blow for us - he was one of the players who liked to play the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it forward and by losing that key cog of the pass and play tactic, Pardew's tactics have become more direct which has been to our detriment at times. I still have faith in Pardew btw but it has to be said that these last couple of months have been really frustrating and that's really down to the manager. Pardew should really be brave and go for it in the remaining 10 games. It's time to earn your money, Alan!

[littlelunchbox]

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times.

Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham)

 

Class record really.

Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

 

its a fair point given the defenders we've got, can we expect to have such a great record.

 

colo and simpson i think are good defenders, i know simpson has this compulsion of hoofball, but set that aside defensively he is capable.

 

then what are we left with?  no one else.    Perch is a liability at central defence, Kadar? a kid we're not even going to bother giving him a new contract , that shows how good he is.  Saylor injured. 

 

raylor, santon, perch are not really fullbacks.  what we've got? fergie? unproven , heardly even get on the bench these days.

 

its pretty horrible isnt it?

 

 

 

[alpal78]

Poor from Pardew tonight. We were having a legitimate go at Arsenal in the first half so really, if he had used the same tactics that had served us pretty well in the first half then it would have arguably led to us getting a result imo (nicking a win that is).

 

Those second half tactics were completely atrocious and uncalled for. By adopting the long ball tactic, we basically decided to gift Arsenal with a lot of (too much) possession which, of course, led to a barrage of attacks from them. Such tactics also led to the entire midfield not being fully utilised and that was clearly to our detriment - it meant that Ben Arfa and indeed, our midfield became less influential as the minutes went by.

 

To be brutally honest, we didn't deserve to win and that's down to Pardew's negative showing in the second half - it was almost as if our entire plan for the second half was to hold onto a 1-1 draw and not "go for it". So disappointing. Oh and it's also quite worrying that this isn't the first time that the long ball has formed the basis of a gameplan. I'm really hating the sight of Krul hoofing it forward every single time the ball's played back to him - for me, Krul doesn't do that out of choice, it's quite apparent that it's all Pardew's instructions and I've got to say, I'm becoming increasingly worried about Alan's recent over-reliance on the long ball.

 

Pass and play, Alan, pass and play! We've seen that he is willing to adopt some form of carpet football so the fact that he's not using it often enough is so frustrating. Losing Steven Taylor has really been a massive blow for us - he was one of the players who liked to play the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it forward and by losing that key cog of the pass and play tactic, Pardew's tactics have become more direct which has been to our detriment at times. I still have faith in Pardew btw but it has to be said that these last couple of months have been really frustrating and that's really down to the manager. Pardew should really be brave and go for it in the remaining 10 games. Time to earn your money, Alan!

 

Agree with the assessment except for the last paragraph. Whilst Steven Taylor is important, even without him we do have players who can play passing football. In our team, only Williamson and Simpson are the sort that would resort to long balls. I would argue that all other 8 outfield players are the type who would be more comfortable passing the ball around. So the fact we're not is not down to the players but the manager's instructions.

[Sifu]

Poor from Pardew tonight. We were having a legitimate go at Arsenal in the first half so really, if he had used the same tactics that had served us pretty well in the first half then it would have arguably led to us getting a result imo (nicking a win that is).

 

Those second half tactics were completely atrocious and uncalled for. By adopting the long ball tactic, we basically decided to gift Arsenal with a lot of (too much) possession which, of course, led to a barrage of attacks from them. Such tactics also led to the entire midfield not being fully utilised and that was clearly to our detriment - it meant that Ben Arfa and indeed, our midfield became less influential as the minutes went by.

 

To be brutally honest, we didn't deserve to win and that's down to Pardew's negative showing in the second half - it was almost as if our entire plan for the second half was to hold onto a 1-1 draw and not "go for it". So disappointing. Oh and it's also quite worrying that this isn't the first time that the long ball has formed the basis of a gameplan. I'm really hating the sight of Krul hoofing it forward every single time the ball's played back to him - for me, Krul doesn't do that out of choice, it's quite apparent that it's all Pardew's instructions and I've got to say, I'm becoming increasingly worried about Alan's recent over-reliance on the long ball.

 

Pass and play, Alan, pass and play! We've seen that he is willing to adopt some form of carpet football so the fact that he's not using it often enough is so frustrating. Losing Steven Taylor has really been a massive blow for us - he was one of the players who liked to play the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it forward and by losing that key cog of the pass and play tactic, Pardew's tactics have become more direct which has been to our detriment at times. I still have faith in Pardew btw but it has to be said that these last couple of months have been really frustrating and that's really down to the manager. Pardew should really be brave and go for it in the remaining 10 games. Time to earn your money, Alan!

 

Agree with the assessment except for the last paragraph. Whilst Steven Taylor is important, even without him we do have players who can play passing football. In our team, only Williamson and Simpson are the sort that would resort to long balls. I would argue that all other 8 outfield players are the type who would be more comfortable passing the ball around. So the fact we're not is not down to the players but the manager's instructions.

 

We do indeed have players who like/prefer to pass the ball around but I really think Saylor's absence has really affected the way we play these days. Saylor would, more often than not, play it out of defence and pass it to Tiote/Cabaye instead of hoofing it forward - the simple things really. Williamson, on the other hand, doesn't seem to very confident with the ball and so he usually resorts to the long ball or gives the ball back to Krul. It's usually the simple things which make something work. What needs to/could be done is for one of our midfielders to come deep and receive the ball from Williamson which lessens the need for him to hoof it forward. I do agree with your last sentence though, it is apparent that the long ball is an instruction from the manager, a tactic which Pardew should really eradicate from his thinking ASAP.

[Jayson]

Its definately a tactic from Pards to Krul. Debatable whether it is for the defence though, id expect Colo to hoof it aswell if it was which he doesnt often. Unless Pards specifically says he can try more with it but gives less freedom to Willi/Simps etc. Thats understandable though aswell really.

Cant actually remember Santon booting it much either apart from when hes under a lot of pressure & just clearing it quickly.

[Ronaldo]

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times.

Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham)

 

Class record really.

Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

 

its a fair point given the defenders we've got, can we expect to have such a great record.

 

colo and simpson i think are good defenders, i know simpson has this compulsion of hoofball, but set that aside defensively he is capable.

 

then what are we left with?  no one else.    Perch is a liability at central defence, Kadar? a kid we're not even going to bother giving him a new contract , that shows how good he is.  Saylor injured. 

 

raylor, santon, perch are not really fullbacks.  what we've got? fergie? unproven , heardly even get on the bench these days.

 

its pretty horrible isnt it?

 

 

 

 

What on earth are you talking about?

[littlelunchbox]

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times.

Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham)

 

Class record really.

Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

 

its a fair point given the defenders we've got, can we expect to have such a great record.

 

colo and simpson i think are good defenders, i know simpson has this compulsion of hoofball, but set that aside defensively he is capable.

 

then what are we left with?  no one else.    Perch is a liability at central defence, Kadar? a kid we're not even going to bother giving him a new contract , that shows how good he is.  Saylor injured. 

 

raylor, santon, perch are not really fullbacks.  what we've got? fergie? unproven , heardly even get on the bench these days.

 

its pretty horrible isnt it?

 

 

 

 

What on earth are you talking about?

                                                                                                                        talking about our lack of quality options in defence.  not something i expect from you, to understand .

[Guest neesy111]

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times.

Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham)

 

Class record really.

Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

 

its a fair point given the defenders we've got, can we expect to have such a great record.

 

colo and simpson i think are good defenders, i know simpson has this compulsion of hoofball, but set that aside defensively he is capable.

 

then what are we left with?  no one else.    Perch is a liability at central defence, Kadar? a kid we're not even going to bother giving him a new contract , that shows how good he is.  Saylor injured. 

 

raylor, santon, perch are not really fullbacks.  what we've got? fergie? unproven , heardly even get on the bench these days.

 

its pretty horrible isnt it?

 

 

 

 

What on earth are you talking about?

                                                                                                                        talking about our lack of quality options in defence.  not something i expect from you, to understand .

 

[STM]

I'd like to see how we would play with some better quality in defence. I'm not ready to jump on Pardews back yet. Williamson becomes worse by the game, even his headers are directed straight toward the opposition. Simpson whilst steady enough in defence, just isn't good enough in the opposition half. Santon is also very raw. We looked a much better side with Taylor and Colo playing centre half.

 

Hopefully in the summer we will invest in some quality in our back four.

[Dr Venkman]

Argh, this debate is a perfect circle. Rest assured, if he'd been picking Raylor instead of Simpson for any length of time he would be getting much more stick than he is now.

 

He's been picking Taylor ahead of Ben Arfa ffs, never mind Danny Simpson.

 

Well that's a totally different debate, I've always said that was a mistake.

 

It's not though, the fact that Pardew picked Obertan and Raylor over Ben Arfa for so long sums up exactly what type of manager he is and exactly why we'll only go so far with him in charge.

 

You can all talk about the players being the cause of the long ball shite all you want but it's heads in the sand stuff, Pardew could've re-evaluated what we are as a team when Saylor got injured and focused our efforts on making the best of what we've got. He didn't and he still hasn't.

[ponsaelius]

Only got back a couple of hours ago. Was gutted by the goal at the time but in all honesty I find myself far more annoyed with the way we played yet again.

 

It's getting beyond a joke now. That second half was absolutely pathetic. Hoofball towards Ba that resulted in giving them the ball over and over again. We made absolutely no attempt to make a match of it - which for me is completely unforgivable when we were right in the match at 1-1.

 

There's nowt wrong with maybe shutting the game down but try and keep the fucking ball for a bit. Fuck

me what are we doing on the coaching side of things during the week. We went there and mugged them a bit last season but when we got the ball in that game we played confidently and economically in possession.