Pilko Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Martins' overall goal record for us was near to 1 in 3, although that doesn't tell the full story of how good/bad he was. EDIT: 39 goals from 105 appearances. Better than 1 in 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Isn't Welbeck currently injured? Due back shortly though. They may decide to keep their powder dry instead of replacing him and having a push for Europe this season. They're out of the cup and have small cushion in the league with 15 games to go. With only 2 strikers? They'll have to sure as hell hope neither gets injured. I can't see them sticking with just 2 in their squad; they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. They could easily switch to one up front if either Gyan or Wellbeck got injured imo. They may feel they'll get better value for money in the summer. I'm not saying they will or they should but they might just cross their fingers for a couple of months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Haven't Sunderland got 4 players on loan (Mensah, Onuoha, Welbeck and someone else)? People talk about them using the money from selling Bent to strengthen their squad. Technically, if they bought the 4 players they've currently got on loan they could only be classed as standing still and it would cost them loads to sign them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Posted on one of our forums by a chap who is the son of Charles Krulak, Lerner's right hand man: FYI, WRT some earlier posts, I feel fairly certain that Makoun will not be playing this weekend because of the visa issue. The Bent deal is tied up except for the transfer paperwork that needs to be signed by Sunderland and sent to the FA. It was too late in the evening for that to happen when all the other stuff - the physical, etc. was sorted out. When asked if this was viewed by his son as a good career move, Bent's father responded (paraphrasing a bit), "It is more than a good career move; he is proud to wear the shirt." That is where it all stands at the moment... So it looks like it has gone through. I am genuinely amazed they've sold us him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Haven't Sunderland got 4 players on loan (Mensah, Onuoha, Welbeck and someone else)? People talk about them using the money from selling Bent to strengthen their squad. Technically, if they bought the 4 players they've currently got on loan they could only be classed as standing still and it would cost them a loads to sign them. Elmomomomomhammmmedy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Isn't Welbeck currently injured? Due back shortly though. They may decide to keep their powder dry instead of replacing him and having a push for Europe this season. They're out of the cup and have small cushion in the league with 15 games to go. With only 2 strikers? They'll have to sure as hell hope neither gets injured. I can't see them sticking with just 2 in their squad; they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. They could easily switch to one up front if either Gyan or Wellbeck got injured imo. They may feel they'll get better value for money in the summer. I'm not saying they will or they should but they might just cross their fingers for a couple of months. I hope they do stick with 2, as I'd put my house on us finishing above them. I think their better play has come from playing 2 up top. If circumstances do dictate in them going back to 1, it would be a step backwards and I think they'd take a few corresponding steps back down the league if that were to happen. I know it's just hypothesising but still. I take your point regarding the January window, like. Some right ripping off takes place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Haven't Sunderland got 4 players on loan (Mensah, Onuoha, Welbeck and someone else)? People talk about them using the money from selling Bent to strengthen their squad. Technically, if they bought the 4 players they've currently got on loan they could only be classed as standing still and it would cost them a loads to sign them. Elmomomomomhammmmedy I thought he was really good when we played them the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 A good career move, from 6th to 17th. Shit fucking mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Haven't Sunderland got 4 players on loan (Mensah, Onuoha, Welbeck and someone else)? People talk about them using the money from selling Bent to strengthen their squad. Technically, if they bought the 4 players they've currently got on loan they could only be classed as standing still and it would cost them loads to sign them. Elmohamady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Haven't Sunderland got 4 players on loan (Mensah, Onuoha, Welbeck and someone else)? People talk about them using the money from selling Bent to strengthen their squad. Technically, if they bought the 4 players they've currently got on loan they could only be classed as standing still and it would cost them loads to sign them. Hence the problem they have. They're going to have to splash out a significant sum of money just to stay in the same position they are now, squad-wise. Values? I don't know, at a guess: Mensah: £4-6m Onouha: £5-7m Elmohamady: £2-4m Welbeck: well.. I'm sure I read SAF was tempted to keep him when he comes back? Also figures of around £8-10m have been banded about, I believe. So basically if they were to get those 4 players permanently, they'd need a minimum of £20m I reckon, and it could easily pass £25m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Elmohamady is their Jonas. Runs about a lot but has no end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 A good career move, from 6th to 17th. Shit fucking mackems. 6th the last three seasons, though. I'm not saying we are going to storm the table and plough into the CL places, far from it, but this season was written off the minute MON fucked us over, you have to remember that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 A good career move, from 6th to 17th. s*** f***ing mackems. 6th the last three seasons, though. I'm not saying we are going to storm the table and plough into the CL places, far from it, but this season was written off the minute you lot f***ed us over, you have to remember that. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 A good career move, from 6th to 17th. Shit fucking mackems. 6th the last three seasons, though. I'm not saying we are going to storm the table and plough into the CL places, far from it, but this season was written off the minute MON fucked us over, you have to remember that. I wasn't particularly dismissing your lot, more laughing at Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Mensah - Okay as a loan signing but why would you sign him long term? Onuoha - Has looked okay but how much are City going to be wanting for him? Welbeck - I can't see SAF selling him Elmohamady - Is he worth signing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 ;D ;D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Mensah - Okay as a loan signing but why would you sign him long term? Onuoha - Has looked okay but how much are City going to be wanting for him? Welbeck - I can't see SAF selling him Elmohamady - Is he worth signing? Put it this way if they used their money from Bent sale to sign that lot permanently it'd be worthy of a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Didn't Bruce sign DJ Campbell for Blues? Just a thought, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This could be their Andy Cole moment but somehow I feel Bent's sale is more about recouping some of the huge money the board of SAFC have spent in recent years rather than anything else. I doubt Bruce will get the full Bent money to spend, or even half of it. As for Bent, he's quite a poor footballer in terms of all-round play but is a decent goalscorer. For the money though he'd represent a poor buy for Villa in my opinion. I can see him struggling massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I hope they get Ireland and Carew in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Only me who thinks he'd score a lot of goals in Villa's current team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This could be their Andy Cole moment but somehow I feel Bent's sale is more about recouping some of the huge money the board of SAFC have spent in recent years rather than anything else. I doubt Bruce will get the full Bent money to spend, or even half of it. As for Bent, he's quite a poor footballer in terms of all-round play but is a decent goalscorer. For the money though he'd represent a poor buy for Villa in my opinion. I can see him struggling massively. He's a very good goalscorer IMO, one of the best in this country. The quoted figure of £18m "in this market" seems fair enough to me given the quantity of goals he's consistently scored in recent seasons. I agree however that his all-round play leaves something to be desired - technically I think he's quite poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Only me who thinks he'd score a lot of goals in Villa's current team? i think he'll score goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This could be their Andy Cole moment but somehow I feel Bent's sale is more about recouping some of the huge money the board of SAFC have spent in recent years rather than anything else. I doubt Bruce will get the full Bent money to spend, or even half of it. As for Bent, he's quite a poor footballer in terms of all-round play but is a decent goalscorer. For the money though he'd represent a poor buy for Villa in my opinion. I can see him struggling massively. He's a very good goalscorer IMO, one of the best in this country. The quoted figure of £18m "in this market" seems fair enough to me given the quantity of goals he's consistently scored in recent seasons. I agree however that his all-round play leaves something to be desired - technically I think he's quite poor. Understatement. Cannit strike a ball cleanly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Only me who thinks he'd score a lot of goals in Villa's current team? Our main problem is - and has been for two years - scoring goals. I don't care if Bent does absolutely nothing else, if he weighs in with one in every two for us, I will be well pleased. Our match yesterday was a perfect example, chances missed all over the shop. A goalscorer isn't the difference between us getting relegated (which we're clearly not going to, even without Bent, trust me), it is the difference between mooking around like we are in the lower reaches this season and being much further up the table. Agbonlahor has been out for an op and looks rusty since coming back, Carew clearly hates Houllier and wants out, Heskey has been good this season but is in no way reliable in delivering goals, and Delfouneso is very, very promising, but it's a lot of responsbility to stick on his shoulders. I genuinely do not care if Bent has the first touch of a rapist, fuck it, we want someone who will get in the right place and put it in the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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