Froggy Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I think because of what Ronaldo has turned into people forget just how good he was with the ball at his feet. It's like people forget his first few seasons in England. He absolutely has everything you mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 You're welcome to point out the weaknesses in Ronaldos game to me. I think Pele is better from what I've seen but Ronaldo is every bit as complete IMO. Both feet, heading, skill, speed, strength, free kicks, penalties. Thought it was in comparison to Messi. I didn't see Pele so can't comment Ronaldo is 100% more complete than Messi like. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 You're welcome to point out the weaknesses in Ronaldos game to me. I think Pele is better from what I've seen but Ronaldo is every bit as complete IMO. Both feet, heading, skill, speed, strength, free kicks, penalties. Thought it was in comparison to Messi. I didn't see Pele so can't comment Ronaldo is 100% more complete than Messi like. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Not going to bite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Messi might be the better player but of course Ronaldo's more complete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I think because of what Ronaldo has turned into people forget just how good he was with the ball at his feet. It's like people forget his first few seasons in England. He absolutely has everything you mentioned. That's irrelevant he's not that player anymore, he's lost close control and he hardly dribbles anymore for the trade off being as effective as possible goal scorer. And no he's not more complete than Messi, the only things he's better than Messi at is heading and long shots. But as i said in the previous page this complete stuff is nonsense, every single player has weaknesses no one is anywhere near complete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Messi might be the better player but of course Ronaldo's more complete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bert Shaft Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 This old get thinks that the best ever players are as followed. 1... Pele 2... Dirty little fat cheating drug crazed Argue c*nt 3... Messy 4...Ronnie 5... Irish p*ss head 6... Keith Kettleborough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Messi might be the better player but of course Ronaldo's more complete. It's true like. I can't even begin to see how you can disagree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Such a pointless discussion. Tall, athlete like player is more suited to playing different roles than short arse fella, no shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Messi might be the better player but of course Ronaldo's more complete. It's true like. I can't even begin to see how you can disagree with that. Okay I will bite. Messi better at dribbling, passing, creating chances, finishing,free kicks. Ronaldo is better at heading Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Messi might be the better player but of course Ronaldo's more complete. It's true like. I can't even begin to see how you can disagree with that. Because Messi can do more things Ronaldo can than Ronaldo can do things Messi can't. It's pretty simple logic, but anyway carry on i'm bored of this already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Such a pointless discussion. Tall, athlete like player is more suited to playing different roles than short arse fella, no shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Such a pointless discussion. Tall, athlete like player is more suited to playing different roles than short arse fella, no shit. True enough, but you agree with my point, so we can leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 The only things Ronaldo is better than Messi at it is aerial ability (he's probably the best roger headerer in the world) and long shots. Messi is even a far superior free kick taker now and has been for some time. If anyone thinks Ronny's vision, passing, dribbling, link up play and work rate for his team is on par with Messi's then they're off their tits more than I am right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Delusional Man U fan shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 The only things Ronaldo is better than Messi at it is aerial ability (he's probably the best roger headerer in the world) and long shots. Messi is even a far superior free kick taker now and has been for some time. If anyone thinks Ronny's vision, passing, dribbling, link up play and work rate for his team is on par with Messi's then they're off their tits more than I am right now. I don't. The debate was who is more complete, not who is better. For what it's worth, I do think Messi is better, not but it's not by much. Ronaldo is very close to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If Argentina win today, my only hope is that it is because this man has played a blinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 He deserves it, but the only hope of Argentina winning is if he does indeed play a blinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Tonight's the night, Leo. Do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Desperately hope he makes it his final like. The evil Germans will probably nullify him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Interview with Beckenbauer where he was asked the question whether Messi would become the best ever if he won the World Cup today. He answered that yes, Messi will become the best that it's possible for him, he'll reach the same level as Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff etc. But there's always going to be one player he'll never eclipse. Beckenbauer knows his stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 He's already one of the best like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Again, Ronaldo has all of that. Pele was better, but that isn't the point here. Ronaldo could never play the #10 role and no Ronaldo doesn't have all of that. Ronaldo is an effective machine, one of the best goal scorers I'll ever see, but he's not near the top guys when it comes to technique, intelligent and vision on the pitch. He's got dribbling skills, goal scoring ability and is physically superior to most players nowadays. But he's no Cruyff, Messi, Maradona, or Pele. I'd agree with this. I see Ronaldo as a superb athlete who by dint of hard work has developed well technically. But he doesn't have the natural gifts of the players that you've mentioned, and that does show now and then. Particularly in his passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Interview with Beckenbauer where he was asked the question whether Messi would become the best ever if he won the World Cup today. He answered that yes, Messi will become the best that it's possible for him, he'll reach the same level as Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff etc. But there's always going to be one player he'll never eclipse. Beckenbauer knows his stuff Beckenbauer is a complete prick isn't he? Denying that there were slaves in Qatar and shit like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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