AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Even Beye seemed to decline rapidly after his first season. I wouldn't say he declined rapidly at all. He was clearly never fully fit in his second season. Also, when he played in the centre for a couple of games he was superb. Fair play, I don't remember it clearly TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Faye poor? Slide on, he was comfortably our best defender. The decision to sell him was fucking outrageous. He was a brilliant footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Think you're totally right about the style of play we need HTT. For me the most important thing for an England manager is having the balls to pick players that fit into that Premier League style of play, and the right players in the right positions. That means leaving out some of the big names.... I've yet to see an England manager that even thinks about doing that. Exactly. What is all this about Lampard on the left with Gerrard in midfield or vice versa just to have the two in the same side. Stuff that. Get a proper winger wide and drop one of the two. Same up top. Stuff having Gerrard playing off whoever, stick two forwards up there, get in two wingers and play attacking direct football. By direct don't confuse me with the long ball. Think Sir Bobby's NUFC direct. That's what we need and the next England manager needs to be chosen very carefully on that basis as someone who can pick the right players and play a system that said players know and can play and can play well. Me, I'd try and tempt Sir Alex Ferguson who I think could well retire his post at Man Utd should he win the Premier League and Champions League. Although he would probably want to make it 6 European Cup's to Liverpool's 5. I wouldn't agree with that. A lesson that we should have taken from the World Cup is that if you play a traditional two-winger 4-4-2 at that level, you're likely to be outnumbered in midfield and be chasing around after the ball. Putting too much reliance on wide men delivering crosses can also make you too predictable and too easy to stop. Our top club sides have adopted a more flexible approach, and we need to as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Faye poor? Slide on, he was comfortably our best defender. Dont me wrong i think he is a good player, just for us i thought he was poor, seemed like a mistake in him waiting to happen, mind you playing alongside Cacapa possibly didn't help him, i thought he should have played in front of the back four like he used to at Bolton, played that position well for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 http://www.blogonthetyne.co.uk/2011/05/back-to-the-future-for-newcast-1.html Back to the future for Newcastle United By Lee Ryder on May 12, 11 10:45 AM Paul Brayson this week branded Kevin Keegan's treatment of the Newcastle United youth team as "shocking" when reflecting on the removal of second string football back in 1995. It's rare to hear a bad word said about KK but Brayson certainly had a point. Don't get me wrong, Keegan illuminated St James' Park during his stint as United manager and the best years of my life came from watching the Entertainers sweep teams aside without a care in the world. But it was a dark day when KK scrapped the reserve team and left many of the club's youngsters with little hope of getting anywhere near the first team picture - and jeopardised the club's future until Kenny Dalglish restored the reserves years later. Football has moved on since those days with emphasis on Academy football now as important as ever. Whether we like it or not, Newcastle United's current stance is to focus heavily on bringing their own players through the system and into the first team picture. The worry of course is whether United can get the balance right of promoting young players through the system and strengthen the first team squad with the right blend of senior players this summer. Relying only on promoting from within is dangerous - not every player will be an Andy Carroll. The sale of Carroll also shows that United are prepared to sell those assets on if the right price comes along pretty much in the same way Ajax have operated down the years just over the North Sea. However, it didn't stop over 2,000 Toon fans coming to see what lies beneath the first team scene last night. Last night they witnessed the reserves demolish Blyth Spartans in resounding manner. But although, Newcastle United reserves should be a class above a non-league team there was still something appealing about the way they went about their task. They done it with a display of attacking football that I'm sure Keegan's Entertainers would have been proud of. Sure, they couldn't keep up their rate of conviction in front of goal after building up a 3-0 lead in the first 35 minutes but there were still plenty of performances that caught the eye. Last year the FA Youth Cup team that reached the semi-finals contained Phil Airey, Jeff Henderson, Sam Ameobi, Brad Inman, Greg McDermott and James Tavernier and all of them have made progress this season with steady seasons in the reserves and a sniff of the first team. With Michael Richardson - signed from non-league Walker Central - now also joining the party. The aim of Peter Beardsley, Willie Donachie and Joe Joyce is clearly to get as many of them as possible into first team contention. And if the words of Beardo and the United coaching staff are to be believed, there could be more than just hope for some of the current crop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It would take wild horses to drag Appy Arry away from Wembley if he was offered the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Think you're totally right about the style of play we need HTT. For me the most important thing for an England manager is having the balls to pick players that fit into that Premier League style of play, and the right players in the right positions. That means leaving out some of the big names.... I've yet to see an England manager that even thinks about doing that. Exactly. What is all this about Lampard on the left with Gerrard in midfield or vice versa just to have the two in the same side. Stuff that. Get a proper winger wide and drop one of the two. Same up top. Stuff having Gerrard playing off whoever, stick two forwards up there, get in two wingers and play attacking direct football. By direct don't confuse me with the long ball. Think Sir Bobby's NUFC direct. That's what we need and the next England manager needs to be chosen very carefully on that basis as someone who can pick the right players and play a system that said players know and can play and can play well. Me, I'd try and tempt Sir Alex Ferguson who I think could well retire his post at Man Utd should he win the Premier League and Champions League. Although he would probably want to make it 6 European Cup's to Liverpool's 5. I wouldn't agree with that. A lesson that we should have taken from the World Cup is that if you play a traditional two-winger 4-4-2 at that level, you're likely to be outnumbered in midfield and be chasing around after the ball. Putting too much reliance on wide men delivering crosses can also make you too predictable and too easy to stop. Our top club sides have adopted a more flexible approach, and we need to as well. Yeah, I'm not committed to 4-4-2 at all. I just mean that we need more of the all-action high-speed football that we're used to playing in the league and pick the players who can do that successfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 http://www.blogonthetyne.co.uk/2011/05/back-to-the-future-for-newcast-1.html Back to the future for Newcastle United By Lee Ryder on May 12, 11 10:45 AM Paul Brayson this week branded Kevin Keegan's treatment of the Newcastle United youth team as "shocking" when reflecting on the removal of second string football back in 1995. It's rare to hear a bad word said about KK but Brayson certainly had a point. Don't get me wrong, Keegan illuminated St James' Park during his stint as United manager and the best years of my life came from watching the Entertainers sweep teams aside without a care in the world. But it was a dark day when KK scrapped the reserve team and left many of the club's youngsters with little hope of getting anywhere near the first team picture - and jeopardised the club's future until Kenny Dalglish restored the reserves years later. Football has moved on since those days with emphasis on Academy football now as important as ever. Whether we like it or not, Newcastle United's current stance is to focus heavily on bringing their own players through the system and into the first team picture. The worry of course is whether United can get the balance right of promoting young players through the system and strengthen the first team squad with the right blend of senior players this summer. Relying only on promoting from within is dangerous - not every player will be an Andy Carroll. The sale of Carroll also shows that United are prepared to sell those assets on if the right price comes along pretty much in the same way Ajax have operated down the years just over the North Sea. However, it didn't stop over 2,000 Toon fans coming to see what lies beneath the first team scene last night. Last night they witnessed the reserves demolish Blyth Spartans in resounding manner. But although, Newcastle United reserves should be a class above a non-league team there was still something appealing about the way they went about their task. They done it with a display of attacking football that I'm sure Keegan's Entertainers would have been proud of. Sure, they couldn't keep up their rate of conviction in front of goal after building up a 3-0 lead in the first 35 minutes but there were still plenty of performances that caught the eye. Last year the FA Youth Cup team that reached the semi-finals contained Phil Airey, Jeff Henderson, Sam Ameobi, Brad Inman, Greg McDermott and James Tavernier and all of them have made progress this season with steady seasons in the reserves and a sniff of the first team. With Michael Richardson - signed from non-league Walker Central - now also joining the party. The aim of Peter Beardsley, Willie Donachie and Joe Joyce is clearly to get as many of them as possible into first team contention. And if the words of Beardo and the United coaching staff are to be believed, there could be more than just hope for some of the current crop. Did it? They kept that quiet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Keegan is the main reason I love football, everything about this man is spot on; his principles... Wish I could still feel the same. Sadly, I'm highly disillusioned about his principles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Great man, it felt so great to have him as manager, it's such a shame those days are gone and now we have fat Mike's casino buddy in charge instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 It was a very bad decision to scrap the reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Keegan is the main reason I love football, everything about this man is spot on; his principles... Wish I could still feel the same. Sadly, I'm highly disillusioned about his principles. His principles on the pitch = His principles off the pitch = $ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I don't think KK is a quitter as such, but I do think he is a perfectionist or idealist and other people would work through situations that he walks away from. Whether that's a good or bad thing I don't really know, obviously it's great to have principles but at the same time you can't expect everything to be perfect in a dirty business like football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Keegan is the main reason I love football, everything about this man is spot on; his principles... Wish I could still feel the same. Sadly, I'm highly disillusioned about his principles. you dont like attacking football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Faye poor? Slide on, he was comfortably our best defender. I'd have liked to have seen Colo and Faye in 2008- would have worked well imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Keegan is the main reason I love football, everything about this man is spot on; his principles... Wish I could still feel the same. Sadly, I'm highly disillusioned about his principles. you dont like attacking football? Some managers decide not to play attacking football. Some managers decide to just go away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Keegan is the main reason I love football, everything about this man is spot on; his principles... Wish I could still feel the same. Sadly, I'm highly disillusioned about his principles. you dont like attacking football? Some managers decide not to play attacking football. Some managers decide to just go away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Think you're totally right about the style of play we need HTT. For me the most important thing for an England manager is having the balls to pick players that fit into that Premier League style of play, and the right players in the right positions. That means leaving out some of the big names.... I've yet to see an England manager that even thinks about doing that. Exactly. What is all this about Lampard on the left with Gerrard in midfield or vice versa just to have the two in the same side. Stuff that. Get a proper winger wide and drop one of the two. Same up top. Stuff having Gerrard playing off whoever, stick two forwards up there, get in two wingers and play attacking direct football. By direct don't confuse me with the long ball. Think Sir Bobby's NUFC direct. That's what we need and the next England manager needs to be chosen very carefully on that basis as someone who can pick the right players and play a system that said players know and can play and can play well. Me, I'd try and tempt Sir Alex Ferguson who I think could well retire his post at Man Utd should he win the Premier League and Champions League. Although he would probably want to make it 6 European Cup's to Liverpool's 5. I wouldn't agree with that. A lesson that we should have taken from the World Cup is that if you play a traditional two-winger 4-4-2 at that level, you're likely to be outnumbered in midfield and be chasing around after the ball. Putting too much reliance on wide men delivering crosses can also make you too predictable and too easy to stop. Our top club sides have adopted a more flexible approach, and we need to as well. I disagree. I'm not a huge fan of 4-4-2 as a system but with the right players it can be extremely deadly as it was for us under Sir Bobby. Bear in mind we beat and matched many a continental side playing 4-4-2. I cannot see why an England side lined up as a 4-4-2 with the right players couldn't compete. As it is we seem to be coasting the qualifiers despite a myriad of systems and players being deployed to mixed effect. International football isn't as sophisticated as it would appear. European club football is far more sophisticated. The whole point anyway is for England to go out there and force our game on the opposition which if we did more often using the right players the possibility of being overrun in midfield wouldn't be so huge or such an issue. I.e. how about we overrun the opposition on the flanks and pin them back deep in their own half? By playing wingers it doesn't always mean that is your only outlet, that everything should go down teh flanks. Wingers for me are there to stretch teams, to get to the byeline, to get behind the full-back, to whip crosses in. If that's not working that's when you need a good central midfield. In Jack Wilshier I believe we have a footballer who can dictate play in a similar way to how Xavi does for Barcelona and Spain for example. If set up right we can not only play down the wings but also through the middle. In Rooney and Carroll we certainly have the right qualities and ingrediants up front. By the way I'm not strictly advocating 4-4-2, I'm advocating playing a system that the players can perform in, be it 4-4-2 or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 It was a very bad decision to scrap the reserves. It was a very bad decision and that particular issue provides a greater insight into how KK works - he thinks short-term. Its all about the now with KK. That might explain his impulsivenes. I.e. the Cole sale. From what I've gathered KK was working with the team in training one day and our own defenders were starting to suss Cole's movement and would often keep him quite which lead KK on an impulse to think well if his own defenders could suss the way he played the opposition could too so just like that Cole needed replaced. This a 21 year old 68 goals in 80 odd game striker, the darling of the crowd. Scrapping the reserves also showed just how powerful KK was and just how much the board trusted him. I think the board idolised KK and were also scared of him in equal measures. KK of course played on that and used his standing with the fans to pretty much run NUFC as he saw fit, often without check. In that kind of environment you can see how delusion can develop. Its a bit like a rockstar being told they are great everyday by the hangers on and having everything done for them constantly. They soon feel like they are god and cannot hack being told no or criticism. KK was the rock star of Newcastle if you like. When I think about it all, what was a marriage made in heaven was also a very unstable relationship and an break-up was inevitable. KK is a totalitarian and no football club can be ran like that. Especially a modern day one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 fuck it lets bring him back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 fuck it lets bring him back this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I'd take KK the manager back today. He'd easily be in the top 5 of managers in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I miss him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Yep, I'm a sentimental soul really and often agonize what may have happened had Keegan been brought in by an owner that wasn't a horrible, incompetent moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I'd take KK the manager back today. He'd easily be in the top 5 of managers in the Premier League. new owners with ambition+ keegan= champions league football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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