Kaizero Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Mehdi Abeid may well be doing well in Greece but goal scoring in that league isn't a good barometer for how he'll do in the Premiership. Matt Derbyshire scored goals for fun in Greece. Darren Ambrose is also currently scoring frequently. True, we should stick with the players we know are s*** instead of trying new ones who might be. My point was scoring goals in that league is not proof of being a good player. Ignoring his goals, he may still be playing well. He could come back here and play well. Ffs, he can't do any better! I f***ing hate that argument. What's the point in sending him then? What is so hard to understand with what I have said? He was sent to Greece to play regular football. He wasn't sent to Greece to score goals to earn a place in the NUFC team on his return. He could score a shed load of goals in Greece. That does not mean he will be great in the Premiership. It also doesn't mean he definitely won't be great in the Premiership. He may be a very good midfielder. The point is a lot of very mediocre players score plenty of goals in Greece. The point of loans (in theory, we suck at loans) is for the player to play at a level where they can succeed and better themselves, and then come back and either be loaned out to a higher level, play a part in the first team of their club or be seen as having made too little progress and be bumped off. Abeid have done very well in Greece, which is a league of a similar quality to the Dutch league for instance. Many players make the step up from those leagues to the bigger ones, and many fail. Abeid is at the level where he needs to either play a part for our team or just be sold to another team. He needs to be tried at the top level, and another loan won't do that, he'll just stagnate. Either he'll make it, or he won't, which he won't since upon return he'll be Pardewed all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Mehdi Abeid may well be doing well in Greece but goal scoring in that league isn't a good barometer for how he'll do in the Premiership. Matt Derbyshire scored goals for fun in Greece. Darren Ambrose is also currently scoring frequently. True, we should stick with the players we know are s*** instead of trying new ones who might be. My point was scoring goals in that league is not proof of being a good player. Ignoring his goals, he may still be playing well. He could come back here and play well. Perfectly valid point but I'm willing to bet that if you sent our current central midfield pairing to Greece for a year, there's absolutely fuck all chance they'd manage 8 goals between them. Think I've only seen Abeid play once, in the FA Cup against then-Premier League Blackburn, he was pretty impressive so obviously I'm delighted never to have seen him again since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I only really saw him at Notts Forest in that cup tie, he basically strolled through the game but looked tidy enough. I wonder if Carr will ever tell Ashley of his concern at our coaching, that he sees players going backwards rather than forwards. Ashley probably blames Carr for wasting his money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I only really saw him at Notts Forest in that cup tie, he basically strolled through the game but looked tidy enough. I wonder if Carr will ever tell Ashley of his concern at our coaching, that he sees players going backwards rather than forwards. Ashley probably blames Carr for wasting his money. Not a chance. I'd be interested to genuinely know what Carr thinks of what we do with his signings though. Is he happy to be held in such high regard (one of the most profile scouts going) or does he despair we don't make more of his signings. Either way I'd be amazed if he's not on a sales % bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Aye probs. I suppose he's used to just being a scout, his role's to identify prospects/targets. You win some, you lose some but that's nowt to do with you, unless you get told you're doing a shite job and get fired. You'd like to think he cares more than that, due to the long contract/role at the club/professional pride, but probs not. Like you say, he's probably fully incentivised with monetary gain in mind, given that's what we're all about now. Even then though, his signings are decreasing in value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Mehdi Abeid may well be doing well in Greece but goal scoring in that league isn't a good barometer for how he'll do in the Premiership. Matt Derbyshire scored goals for fun in Greece. Darren Ambrose is also currently scoring frequently. True, we should stick with the players we know are s*** instead of trying new ones who might be. My point was scoring goals in that league is not proof of being a good player. Ignoring his goals, he may still be playing well. He could come back here and play well. Ffs, he can't do any better! I f***ing hate that argument. What's the point in sending him then? What is so hard to understand with what I have said? He was sent to Greece to play regular football. He wasn't sent to Greece to score goals to earn a place in the NUFC team on his return. He could score a shed load of goals in Greece. That does not mean he will be great in the Premiership. It also doesn't mean he definitely won't be great in the Premiership. He may be a very good midfielder. The point is a lot of very mediocre players score plenty of goals in Greece. You're snatching negativity from the jaws of success. You are Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The fuck's that thing he's holding? Looks expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The fuck's that thing he's holding? Looks expensive. Nowhere near as valuable as stability though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The fuck's that thing he's holding? Looks expensive. Before: After: http://rightinthegarykellys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Who-is-the-Ringleader-at-the-Elland-Road-Circus-e1352651533963.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Jordan Mcintosh @JM9NUFC 2h @reelM_abeid stay owa there if you want to get any better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Jordan Mcintosh @JM9NUFC 2h @reelM_abeid stay owa there if you want to get any better :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It's amazing how many players we send out on loan either win medals or play in finals. They must all be fucking sick coming back to this shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It's amazing how many players we send out on loan either win medals or play in finals. They must all be fucking sick coming back to this shit. Baffles me how so many of our fans can't see the connection with being away from Pardew's coaching and the players impressing under someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-set-take-fresh-7040570 Newcastle United are set to take a fresh look at Mehdi Abeid this summer Apr 28, 2014 11:39 By Lee Ryder Newcastle United will take a fresh look at midfielder Mehdi Abeid this summer before deciding on his future at St James’ Park. The Chronicle understands that Abeid could be given the chance to show how far he has progressed in the last 12 months in pre-season after a successful loan stint with Panathinaikos. United have been kept up to date with Abeid’s performances by former Toon defender Nikos Dabizas, who is currently director of football at the Greek giants. The 21-year-old has made 31 appearances, scored seven goals and made six assists this term. However, the fact that Abeid has emerged with positive progress from the physical side of first-team football week in, week out in the Greek League has pleased United the most. Abeid picked up a Greek Cup winners medal at the weekend after a 4-1 win over PAOK to continue his great campaign. He has two years left on his current contract and with United certain to have a host of senior players leaving this summer, Abeid could get his chance in the pre-season friendly fixtures to allow the Magpies to measure how far he has come in the last year. Abeid was on his way out at Newcastle a year ago but the move to Panathinaikos has allowed both the player and the club to take stock. Abeid said on Saturday night: “I have made progress as a player and as a man. “It has been a fantastic season.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The headline to that article makes it sound like we are scouting our own player , like a new signing etc zzz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Have we had any outfield players that have actually had a successful loan stint like this before? Feels strange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 So he's the Gosling replacement while Colback will be the Cabaye replacement. Replacements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Curtis Good has had 2 very good loans spells at Dundee Utd and Bradford City. Last year he played in a league cup final and this year Dundee are in the Scottish FA Cup Final, where hes certain to play if he can get over this thigh injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Curtis Good has had 2 very good loans spells at Dundee Utd and Bradford City. Last year he played in a league cup final and this year Dundee are in the Scottish FA Cup Final, where hes certain to play if he can get over this thigh injury. Aye suppose we've had a couple of them along the way but none as such like Abeid where we are thinking when he comes back lets pop him in the first team and see how he does. This feels more like how a loan should work, get him out on loan, get the experience, bring him back to your club and play them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Skillful, decent passer, eye for goal, good lad. Unfortunately he doesn't run around like a spacker on speed. Hence Pardew will just bin him, in fact the very reason he's on loan in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You just kna he'll come back and Pardew will play him on the fucking wing all preseason because he daren't break up the powerhouse midfield pairing of Shelvey and Colback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You would expect we would have been watching his progress throughout the season, whether that is by watching videos of matches or even sending one of the scouts/coaching staff over to check him out, seems mental to now make a decision on player by monitoring him in pre-season games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You would expect we would have been watching his progress throughout the season, whether that is by watching videos of matches or even sending one of the scouts/coaching staff over to check him out, seems mental to now make a decision on player by monitoring him in pre-season games. That's why i think that's story is a piece of fed bollocks from Pardew and the club. Pardew has already made his mind up imo and doesn't fancy the lad as he has a bit of skill and flair about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Again I say - if Mehdi doesn't play it makes a mockery of the loan system. Team Mehdi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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