littlelunchbox Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I honestly wouldn't care about any player leaving, Ben Arfa aside. I can't understand people that have this view. Hba no doubt is talented but he's not exactly reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I honestly wouldn't care about any player leaving, Ben Arfa aside. I can't understand people that have this view. Hba no doubt is talented but he's not exactly reliable. People want to be entertained. He is entertainment - when on the pitch. Which sadly happens all too rarely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Exactly. Ben Arfa's like no other Newcastle player I've watched (in the flesh) before. I'd be absolutely gutted if he left, especially having only witnessed glimpses of his full potential. His goal against Blackburn will probably stay with me; can confidently I've never seen a better one (again, in the flesh). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think Cisse's more entertaining personally. Hatem's great in his own right but dribbling past two players and losing it against the third just makes me feel frustrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Cisse has a very entertaining personality and overall demeanour as well. Seems like such a nice, happy-go-lucky chap. It is refreshing (although at times infuriating) having a player running around for 90 minutes with a big cheesy grin on his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... unfortunately this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? No it probably doesn't exceed 5th placed finish regularly. But I'm pretty certain we would play a lot better football, and get into Europe most seasons with a manager who played to their strengths. I think pardew lucked out getting us in Europe. I certainly wouldn't expect them to be flirting with relegation, but I suppose we'll have to wait till this seasons over to get a better view of where Pardew can take us. My concern is that if it does go tits up again, we'll lose a few 'purples' before we get to see them under a decent manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. After his quotes on Man U and the fact although he is at times a true gem he can be poor too, more than happy to keep him, would love him to stay IF it is what he wants BUT IF we did sell him for £30m I would not be going nutts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? Potential of the squad is 8th for me. The team needs far more goals in it to have potential to finish higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Can't believe people want to sell a player who would leave a gaping hole in midfield we'd struggle to adequately replace. Shows how myopic our fans have become and how unable to distingusih between a good player being handicapped and demoralized by the manager/regime, and one who lacks real talent... Cabaye will go on to prove what a class player he is under a better manager who utilizes his talents better and with a more ambitious club.... This and this It's what is so frustrating, I'm fairly certain with Pardew in charge we will NEVER see the full potential of the talented squad we have. We're already hearing murmurings of unsettled players and nothing is going to change (playing style-wise) this season, come January half of them will want out imo. After his quotes on Man U and the fact although he is at times a true gem he can be poor too, more than happy to keep him, would love him to stay IF it is what he wants BUT IF we did sell him for £30m I would not be going nutts. I am just completely writing off the Man U comments, he'd been asked if he'd like to play for them in an interview...99% of players would say yes, seems the media are still hanging on to it tho with shit like 'he wants out' etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Realistically, we aren't looking at receiving bids of £30m for him. More like half that. He is quality but he hasn't shown it consistently enough. Any team would be bonkers to fork out £30m. At least Carroll looked like a real danger for a while, but he also had the young English talent factor going for him also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Nobody will bid over about £10-12m IMO... and we won't sell him for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Nobody will bid over about £10-12m IMO... and we won't sell him for that. I can see Monaco coming in for over 15m and that would interest them. His true value is around twice what we paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? how about some basics inochi, such as the potential to string 2 passes together on the ground with team of full internationals, or coach the team to attack and defend effectively as a unit? maybe the potential not to struggle through EVERY FUCKING game no matter who we're playing over the course of a season dunno, just me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 What is 'the potential' of our squad. Does it exceed a fifth placed finish? Would you expect a better manager to be able to achieve that on a regular basis, based on our players alone? Or, is it more of a romantic, purist desire, not based around finishing positions? how about some basics inochi, such as the potential to string 2 passes together on the ground with team of full internationals, or coach the team to attack and defend effectively as a unit? maybe the potential not to struggle through EVERY FUCKING game no matter who we're playing over the course of a season dunno, just me like I'm not getting into it, because it's not really what I was getting at, but all of that happened in Hitler's first full season. Possibly not to the extent you desire, but it was alright. DISCLAIMER: No, we didn't progress from there or appear to have some form of cohesive plan or ethos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 anyways i'd say 'potential-wise' we should be pushing 6th-8th all season as an absolute minimum securing PL status in game 37 doesn't count Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I would have though the top 7 places are tied up although Everton could be interesting with Martinez. I think Villa will be top 10 and possibly West Ham as they seem intent on buying loads of decent players. That leaves one place. I think we have the quality of players at the moment but will the squad be weakened with sales and potential replacements. The manager is the problem for us compared to the other clubs targetting the top 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 you can't nail down a position like, this season has shown how tight the margins can be, but with the players we have we should be challenging for 6-8th to the end of the season imo anything else is failure i expect with fucknuts in charge to be having a passionate love affair with the bottom half again mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Pardew's past record does not indicate that he is capable of maintaining a winning run - look at his results with all previous clubs after his initial successes early on...why did people sack him if he WAS capable of sustained success and what are the 'right conditions' for him to do so ? As for being satisfied with a few decent moments, that is what Ashley WANTS you to be but many fans will not share that opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's quite a hard one for us to get right, pleasing the fans. On one hand some people just want better football, on the other hand some people are very specific about league positions and European qualification. Obviously both would be ideal. Personally I'm not as full of dread for next season as some. Everything depends on the start really. Pardew is capable of maintaining a winning run and a good team spirit under the right conditions. We will never play brilliant football all the time, but as long as there are enough good moments I will be basically satisfied. Pardew's past record does not indicate that he is capable of maintaining a winning run - look at his results with all previous clubs after his initial successes early on...why did people sack him if he WAS capable of sustained success and what are the 'right conditions' for him to do so ? As for being satisfied with a few decent moments, that is what Ashley WANTS you to be but many fans will not share that opinion. It's nothing to do with Ashley, it's the situation in the league and with the teams who can buy success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/comment-as-speculation-mounts-over-the-future-of-yohan-cabaye-newcastle-united-fans-seem-ready-to-let-him-leave-8657401.html Comment: As speculation mounts over the future of Yohan Cabaye, Newcastle United fans seem ready to let him leave The France international, who has been linked with Roma, PSG and Manchester United, is no longer flavour of the month at St James' Park writes Martin Hardy MARTIN HARDY THURSDAY 13 JUNE 2013 Today it is Roma. Last week it was Manchester United. Before that it was Paris St Germain and Monaco. Last summer it was Tottenham. No wonder Newcastle supporters regular burst into song when they win a corner (they never score from them) to sing the name of Yohan Cabaye. In it, they urge Mike Ashley not to sell Cabaye, warning there will be a riot if he does. The signs are now that, if any club actually firms up the plethora of reported interest in Cabaye, then a sizeable, and certainly vocal, section of support, would leave their rioting gear in the garden shed. The tide turns fast on Tyneside. Cabaye, after an indifferent couple of months, is a commodity to be cashed in on. And it is really a couple of months. That Newcastle could afford Cabaye in the first place was down to clever strategy, discovering a clause in the midfielder's contract that would be activated if an offer of €5 million was tabled to Lille, where he had just helped the club he had played at since he was a boy win the Ligue One title and the French Cup (56 years after they had last won a trophy). It was an historic moment. Cabaye wanted a new challenge and last season, at the heart of a Newcastle side brimming with confidence, he excelled, a central midfielder with vision, the ability to control a game, an eye for a goal and a streak to make a tackle. There are a multitude of reasons as to why the North-east's big two have done so little for so long but the lack of genuine quality in the heart of a team has been a key factor. Newcastle had Cabaye. He scored four goals. He made six goals. He made Newcastle tick. He played his way into the France national side for the European Championships. He came into the new season. He has admitted since to feeling fatigued, and that can happen. He also spoke of feeling depressed, and that was perhaps the first true insight into the complexity of his character. Good players can be temperamental. It happens. But even given that situation, three of a pretty slim highlight reel for travelling Newcastle fans came from the boot of Cabaye. His goal at Sunderland would probably have won the Tyne-Wear derby at the Stadium of Light but for the impetuosity of Cheick Tiote. His goal at Liverpool was perhaps the best from a Newcastle player this season. The 25-yard strike at Aston Villa suggested a new dawn was on its way in January. Cabaye ended the season with six goals (two more came against Southampton and Stoke, victories whose importance could only be measured when the campaign had finished). He also set up four goals. It was a dire season for Newcastle, but Cabaye's output was not. He looked demoralised when withdrawn at West Bromwich Albion in April but by then Newcastle's position was perilous, and the football had become more direct. If there is a problem it is in strategy. Cabaye expects the team he plays in to pass the ball more and he does not expect to get stuffed by Manchester City, Sunderland and Liverpool within the space of four weekends. He was annoyed and he said so. I'm not really sure there is much wrong in that. There were not too many Newcastle fans around that period overjoyed with life. His body language in those games should have been better, but for Cabaye there was an expectation the club would move up a level after the exploits of finishing fifth in the Premier League the previous season, not move down two. Newcastle must now ready themselves for a fight to hold onto one of their two most talented players (the other is Hatem Ben Arfa), and that, thankfully, is their standpoint. A figure of £30m has been mentioned and it should give some signal of their intent. Strangely, it does not appear to be one back up from those on the terraces. Perhaps the greatest achievement of Ashley has been to change the psyche of Newcastle's supporters. They still worship individual players at St James' Park but it feels more like a holiday romance. Demba Ba had not left in January and Loic Remy was being touted as a far superior player (Newcastle thought they were close to signing the striker who took a more lucrative contract to move to Queens Park Rangers). Most of those had barely seen Remy play. Ba had scored 29 goals for Newcastle in 54 Premier League starts. He was forgotten before he had even left. The former Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan had to famously stand on the steps outside of the Milburn Stand and argue with Newcastle supporters about why he had given the green light to sell Andy Cole. Heroes used to mean a bit more in those days. Now Cabaye can go from flavour of the month to expendable in the blink of an eye. It is a culture that needs addressing. Clubs who continually sell their best players rarely enjoy success. Newcastle fans really should know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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